Would You Vote For Bush Again If It Were Allowed (Repeal 22nd Amendment)
By OldSouthEndBrdy - Posted on February 1st, 2008
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Things were going well in 2000. Clinto had survived his brushes with the law. Would he have been more electable that Gore?
only one idiot
The word 'again' doesn't apply to me since I didn't vote for him the last two times-went third party last two prez elections, as Gore and Kerry sucked too. Would probably have voted for Edwards had he been in the top slot.
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"They keep talking about drafting a constitution for Iraq.Why don't we give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, and we're not using it any more".
It depends on who is running against him.
I would vote for Bush over Hillary, but I would support any of the remaining candidates (Obama, Huckabee, Romney, Paul, and McCain). I'm not a big Bush supporter now because of his alienation of key allies and poor fiscal record, but I think Hillary would do more damage than Bush domestically.
I'm actually impressed McCain, Romney, and Obama and think they will all bring a new attitude to the Oval Office. They will all increase the opinion of the US internationally now as well, and they all have a history of working across the aisle which is possibly the most important characteristic of them.
I probably would have voted for Clinton over Bush if Clinton had been allowed to run for a third term. I don't know how he would have dealt with 9/11, though. He might have surprised us, and turned the military loose to do it's thing. It only took Bush six years to get rid of Rumsfeld, and let the military engage in a "surge" (after we'd been told time and time again that numbers wouldn't make a difference). But I would probably vote for Bush now over the "devils" I don't know. I guess that makes me "conservative".
If the Republicans never got their panites in a wad and passed the revenge amendment after FDR kickedthe bucket, Reagan would have probably been the next to go 3 terms. Even in the midst of scandal - Iran Contra- polls never were below 75%. Bush Sr got elected primarily because of Reagan's popularity. Sr. was no Reagan conservative and neither is W. They were GOP establishment candidates, and so is McCain. What is incredible is the GOP's establishment candidates are going to be the ones to kill the party. There is a point to having 2 parties- they are supposed to be different from one another.
But if Reagan got a 3rd term, I don't think we would have any Bush's or Clintons. I could write a paper on that.
Reagan was never close to 75% approval at any point of his presidency. In fact, his presidency was not close to the conservative panacea that many of today's Repubs like to portray either....(largest tax hike since WWII, expanding EITC, appeasing the Soviets, expanding the size of the federal gov't, amnesty for "illegals", bailing out Social Security)
Here's the problem with politics...the internet & 24/7 media coverage. People can't turn it off, hence, too many people are amped up all the time. Because of this new constitutiency, the parties, congress, and the president will continue to drift apart in bipartisan efforts / goodwill towards practical involvement.
In the end, everyone throws out the red meat to raise money for the status quo of saying anything, do nothing, and spending everything.
What's sad is that all the good leaders in business and academics refuse to run for politics b/c of all the media blood-letting. What's left is not right for America's future.
Here's the problem with politics...the internet & 24/7 media coverage. People can't turn it off, hence, too many people are amped up all the time. Because of this new constitutiency, the parties, congress, and the president will continue to drift apart in bipartisan efforts / goodwill towards practical involvement.
In the end, everyone throws out the red meat to raise money for the status quo of saying anything, do nothing, and spending everything.
What's sad is that all the good leaders in business and academics refuse to run for politics b/c of all the media blood-letting. What's left is not right for America's future.
Here's the problem with politics...the internet & 24/7 media coverage. People can't turn it off, hence, too many people are amped up all the time. Because of this new constitutiency, the parties, congress, and the president will continue to drift apart in bipartisan efforts / goodwill towards practical involvement.
In the end, everyone throws out the red meat to raise money for the status quo of saying anything, do nothing, and spending everything.
What's sad is that all the good leaders in business and academics refuse to run for politics b/c of all the media blood-letting. What's left is not right for America's future.
Here's the problem with politics...the internet & 24/7 media coverage. People can't turn it off, hence, too many people are amped up all the time. Because of this new constitutiency, the parties, congress, and the president will continue to drift apart in bipartisan efforts / goodwill towards practical involvement.
In the end, everyone throws out the red meat to raise money for the status quo of saying anything, do nothing, and spending everything.
What's sad is that all the good leaders in business and academics refuse to run for politics b/c of all the media blood-letting. What's left is not right for America's future.
I have no clue on why this thing posted so many times.
During Iran Contra, approval polls fell 63 to 47. This is reaction to News Headlines. Personal popularity fell from 80 to 75. this reflected public's actual feeling toward Reagan. Christian Science Monitor 1/7/87
"Tax hike" - Reagan made congress promise that for every tax dollar raised, 2 would be cut before he signed it into law. So principles were still kept.
Appeasing Soviets? Mr Gorbachev tear down this wall?
Amnesty - Fault of Reagan yet he said there must be something done about it and no more amnesty.
The fact remains, HW Bush was elected on Reagan's popularity. Reagan was a stud at the polls recording landslide electoral victories.
Read so much from all sides that makes me wonder what is the idolism of a man as he.
"But
this was just the beginning. In 1982 Reagan supported a
five-cent-per-gallon gasoline tax and higher taxes on the trucking
industry. Total increase: $5.5 billion a year. In 1983, on the
recommendation of his Spcial Security Commission— chaired by the man he
later made Fed chairman, Alan Green-span—Reagan called for, and
received, Social Security tax increases of $165 billion over seven
years. A year later came Reagan's Deficit Reduction Act to raise $50
billion."
"By
now it should not be surprising that the size of the bureaucracy has
also grown. Today, there are 230,000 more civilian government workers
than in 1980, bringing the total to almost three million. Reagan even
promoted the creation of a new federal Department of Veterans' Affairs
to join the Departments of Education and Energy, which his
administration was supposed to eliminate."
"The
budget for the Department of Education, which candidate Reagan promised
to abolish along with the Department of Energy, has more than doubled
to $22.7 billion, Social Security spending has risen from $179 billion
in 1981 to $269 billion in 1986. The price of farm programs went from
$21.4 billion in 1981 to $51.4 billion in 1987, a 140% increase. And
this doesn't count the recently signed $4 billion "drought-relief"
measure. Medicare spending in 1981 was $43.5 billion; in 1987 it hit
$80 billion. Federal entitlements cost $197.1 billion in 1981—and $477
billion in 1987."
http://www.mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488
And then on the other side;
">These
reductions for the lowest-income groups were so large because President
Reagan doubled the personal exemption, increased the standard
deduction, and tripled the earned income tax credit (EITC), which
provides net cash for single-parent families with children at the
lowest income levels. These changes eliminated income tax liability
altogether for over 4 million lower-income families.16"
"Federal
spending more than doubled, growing from almost $591 billion in 1980 to
$1.25 trillion in 1990. In constant inflation-adjusted dollars, this
was an increase of 35.8 percent.6"
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/BG1414.cfm
Less government, less spending, less gubberment and yet more of the same and the man is an idol?
I am still waiting for my tax cuts, but then again I am unemployed and have not made enough money to qualify for the tax cuts and now fiscally conservative people want to undo the earned income tax credit which Reagan boosted.
I didn't vote for him the first two times, I surely wouldn't vote for him a third time.
There appears to be at least 40 hanging chads on the "No Vote".
ha ha
LOL
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"They keep talking about drafting a constitution for Iraq.Why don't we give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, and we're not using it any more".
Bush is betting that his legacy will be treated as Truman and Lincolns was. Where both were hated when in office but history judged them differently after the fact.
As far as the 22nd Amendment I am not for it being repealed however I feel it should be altered.
I think limiting the president to two consecutive terms max is appropriate. After two terms they should be made to sit out at least one term. After that term they could be reelected.
The 22nd Amendment was created to limit the power of the presidency which I think is a good thing. It's been discussed that term limits need to be created in congress. This opinion negates the fact that power in congress is distributed by seniority. If term limits were to be extended to congress then a new power structure would have to be created.
MikeyA
Jorge Doubleyou? Fuck no. Double fuck no to Hitlery, too. Obama wants to disarm everyone in the US and let faggots get married to each other, so I'm kicking him to the curb too.
Wow, that was brilliant
My ignorant guess is that the server is screwed up. It's so slow right now that the site is almost impossible to use.
Reagan was popular enough that he would have won a third term easily. We still would have had Clinton, but we would have had the Clinton administration for three terms as well. What we would have missed was George the Senior. George the Junior was inevitable, given the lousy job the moonbats did with the election. Not that the last election taught them anything - the moonbat party is actually letting Hitlery run for nomination, and in doing so they ignore the one candidate they have that actually might have made a decent President. I heard Hitlery interviewed on NPR a few weeks back, and her response to the talking head was priceless:
TH: So you're saying blah blah blah
HC: I'm not saying anything!
I couldn't believe my own ears. I'd vote Purnhrt into office before I'd vote for Hitlery.
Now all the stupid party has to do is run someone that is A) not an obvious mouth breathing idiot and B) isn't so far to the right that he's shaking hands with Barry Goldwater. Easy, right? Wrong. What's his name, Huckleberry or something, will get the GOP nod. If he's smart he'll try and get Fred Thompson to run with him, but I doubt it. Huck will lock down the Bible Belt and the gun lobby, and that might be enough.
Ironic..... the left can't stand Hillary and the right can't stand McCain. Could be a very interesting election if these two get the nominee.
Hillary isn't my first choice (or second choice), but I'll happily vote her over any Republican. I'll be opening my wallet as well.
God forbid we repeat the peace and prosperity we had during the first Clinton administration.
I wouldn't.
First off, he pushed the UN into taking over Somalia. (Is there anything the UN doesn't screw up? See Rawanda below for the answer) Then when we had to bail them out he and the generals imposed too many rules of engagement and micromanaged the Rangers right into their own deaths (See Black Hawk Down).
Not to mention they created the policy where we only went after Mohammand Farrah Aidid and not Mohammad Ali Mahdi. Mahdi being backed by a newly formed group named Al Qaeda made up of former Afghani fighters (ironically out of Sudan, wow could today's problems be any more linked?!)
Their response to all of the hostility was to turn a blind eye and not commit any ground troops to any operation for almost half a decade. During that time the World Trade Center was attacked and so was the Khober Towers in Saudi Arabia. The air campaigns in the Slavic states and Middle East did NOTHING to solidify or even aid long term objectives.
Oh yeah and while this all went on he ignored Rawanda genocide.
Inaction against hostilities does not constitute "peace"
Bill was slow in learning lessons on how to conduct a strategic military mission. Hopefully if Hillary becomes president she kept her eyes and ears open enough to not make the same mistake.
MikeyA
He inherited Somalia with no exit strategy and when it went to shit, he fired his Secretary of Defense. Imagine that…firing an incompetent Secretary of Defense.
The air campaigns in Serbia were very successful. The mass genocide against the Kosovon was put to the end. Bob Dole’s solution at the time was to arm the Kosovon Muslims against the Serbians…that would have been a cluster fuck.
Rawanda is my single biggest disappointment in Bill Clinton (I could care less about Monica). The United States and the West in general failed miserable.
Keep in mind at the time…Every time Clinton drop a bomb in Iraq, Sudan, Afghanistan, or Serbia- the conservative right would begin to chant “Wag the Dog, Wag the Dog”.
“He’s only dropping bombs to distract from Monica”…
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/23/wag.dog/index.html
I agree with most of what you said.
I don't think you need an "exit strategy" for a humanitarian mission. It either works or it doesn't. But Somalia is a clear cut reason why strategy should be made overall but every other decision should be made at the tactical level and supported up the chain of command from there. As for being "inherited" Clinton was already President elect and was in the loops on the briefings. In fact when he inherited the mission what he inherited was a humanitarian mission that was proving to be successful.
I don't agree with your assessment of Serbia. But I will agree that Dole's solution was equally dismal.
An air campaign only destroys things. It doesn't help any objectives other than immediate because roads and buildings can be rebuilt. The only thing it's truly effective on is bridges but destroying one can be a minor hinderer.
Air campaigns against ground units ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS need some type of ground element to be long term successful. It is why we didn't stop the Ho Chi Mihn Trail's operation, it's why the planes didn't stop genocide, it's why it didn't stop Al Qaeda in '98. However the ground elements can be in multiple forms other than just grunts on the ground. It can also be the Red Cross or other humanitarian missions.
Personally I think by the end of Clinton's term he had a handle of military operations and was a competent military leader. However in his early years his adverse opinion of the military left him with a naivety that he would need to get over to be successful.
MikeyA