Would You Prefer To Attend A School Where CCW Was Encouraged?

Perhaps we wouldn't allow the kids to come to school armed, but, then, why not. Some teachers are nuttier than loons. They might need to protect themselves against "authority". But we all agree, for the sake of the children, that school administrators and maybe teachers should be armed to deal with a potential threat.

...being encouraged in schools. I wonder if this would translate into a loss of students. Perhaps we should think about two campuses for higher education in Toledo. Perhaps a CCWUT and an "Unarmed" UT. We could then see which is "safer" for students. The CCWUT could save money by not having any campus police (the students would be able to "police" the campus themselves) while the "Unarmed" UT campus could continue to rely on the campus police response for their protection. Each could also have their own sports programs. The CCWUT could have a rifle competition along with quick draw competitions while the "Unarmed" UT would have to deal with plain old football and basketball.

...be able to get rid of the teacher's union much quicker. We could eventually see a savings in our public schools. My master plan is to allow CCW for students in the high schools (and, maybe later, the middle schools). Students leave the schools to go to charter schools that don't permit CCW for students. This means teachers would be laid off because we wouldn't need them. Eventually, the teachers' union would loose power because of lack or numbers, or the TPS would be dissolved because most of the kids were in private, or "charter", schools. This would be a real savings for the taxpayer. I say "CCW for the high schools"!

Teachers maybe, but underaged (18-21) year old might be asking a bit much.

I for one prefer a bit of wisdom/maturity behind any trigger.

And, like any good police officer, I would prefer that everyone have the opinion that a gun is only drawn if the intent is to use it.

Very little, IMO requires an armed response.

...limit remove maybe a half of the potential CCW candidates from the campus? Doesn't our military arm 18 (more like 19) year olds after training? Of course, I can see your point that "these" youung people are under "other" discipline rather than "self" discipline. In other words, they've had the fear of God (and their sargeant and captain) thrown into them. So maybe I'll go along with your limitation (although many probably wouln''t because of the 2nd Amendment).

el mahico-That's the great thing about America. We don't have to take our meds, but we can get guns as long as we can fool the right people.

The 2nd Amendment is gaining ground. Now only 5:3 against CCW on campus.

Are you suggesting we should have gun ownership laws for people on medication?

... but some guy selling over the Internet isn't going to care. He's out to make as much money for as little overhead as possible. How does he check id's? The NIU student stopped his medication (I guess for some mental problem), and used his guns. The idea that we can have both unlimited freedom to firearms, and prevent these tragedies is, to me, one of the more humorous ideas to come along. We should just accept the "consequences" of this "freedom".

2:1 against the CCW on campus.

it looks as though everyone who cares to can pack their gat along with their books.

From Hooda: And, like any good police officer, I would prefer that everyone have the opinion that a gun is only drawn if the intent is to use it.

I am pleasantly surprised, Hooda. I had you pegged for the anti-freedom crowd. I am happy to see that I was wrong.

Having carried my pistol with me on any number of occasions, I can tell you that it weighs a whole lot more when it's in the holster in public than when it's in your hand at the range. I'm in emphatic agreement with Hooda's comment. You don't pull it if you aren't going to use it - you don't flash it around, and in fact Florida gun law specifies that concealed carry means just that, concealed.

Our college students would be a lot safer if they had the right to carry a pistol as they saw fit. This has been proven over and over again, and still people like Brdy refuse to acknowledge the facts.

...have lead to the same outcome at NIU. These are the students and their ages who died there: in addition to Garcia( age 20), the dead were Ryanne Mace, 19, Dan Parmenter, 20; Julianna Gehant, 32 ; and Gayle Dubowski, 20. The only person in that group that would have been able to CCW if 18-21 year olds were elminiated from the pool would be Juliana Gehant.

A a student who was inside the classroom, told CBS 2 that there were 70 students inside room 101 at Cole Hall when the shooting happened. I also have read figures of 100 and 160. Most of their reported ages seemed to be 19-21. Of the rest some would have been old enough to be armed under a rule that excluded those aged 18-21. But I wonder how many? Was the teaching assistant over 21? We know for sure that the shooter was 27.

I'm not in a university or college, I have no children in one, and it would be an interesting social experiment. I have a shot-gun in my house for protection, but I don't have a hand-gun. It seems to be that if people want to "pack" then they should be allowed to carry the weapon around in the holster. That seems a fine "preventative". Maybe that's why most police have their weapons in holster rather than as CCW. I don't know. I would vote for any ordinance that comes before me to allow the students at MUO-UT to CCW at the UT campus. Whether we would lose students to other universities or colleges without CCW would, again, be an interesting social experiment.

Just as the blacks broke "the law" against drinking out of white fountains, and using white restrooms those who believe in CCW can begin to assert their constitutional right to bear arms. They may be arrested, but if enough people believe in this "right", and others feel sympathy for their position the system of repression will break down under its own weight. Just as I felt sympathy for blacks as a teenager as I watched the evening news portraying their latest march, or the dogs tearing at their flesh, I believe that those who believe in CCW can prevail if they are willing to put their bodies at risk by "breaking" the law. And it is so much easier for a CCW advocate than a black man. You can hide your CCW under a coat of many colors whereas a black man or woman had to bare their flesh to the truncheon and dog teeth.

...of those who would favor CCW. The ratio is 8:5 against. But if this were representative of the nation as a whole I can foresee a university or college permitting CCW on their campus in the near future. Let a great experiment begin. Certainly some school such as Liberty University, or other college or university with libertarian or right-wing leanings is willing to try this experiment. Of course, you'll lose students who are more afraid of their fellows than some real "bogeyman", but others will "bite the bullet" and throw off the shackles of "political correctness", and give CCW a try.

Who in their right mind would want anybody, except law enforcement personnel, on the campus of a public school. I have always had mixed emotions about the Second Amendment, which could be a thread in of itself, but we do not need more people with guns on the campus of our public schools.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Toledo, Ohio
United States of America

...armed people to be on any school campus. But the majority of of voters may feel it is necessary. Perhaps as Hooda Thunkit observes only those older than 21 have the "wisdom/maturity" to know how to react to a situuation where students can't retreat without loss of life. So maybe having those beyond this age armed (if they volunteer) in high schools might be something to experiment about.

The question about colleges and universities might be easier. We have given these students many adult freedoms. Maybe this is one more to consider. It is just something that might have to be experimented with to see if it works. I don't think that CCW is the panacea that others think it is for the lone shooter killing a series of innocent victims on campus. But then I could be wrong.

15:7 against allowing students to CCW at schools as of 7:30 PM

...or rather the majority by 8:5 would rather not attend schools were CCW is encouraged.

... encouraged as of 11:20 AM on Feb. 19, 2008. Splitting the university campus between "armed" and "unarmed" is looking more feasible.

...encouraged as of 10:50AM on Feb. 20, 2008. Madjack posted "Just imagine you confronting an insanely angry Larry Sykes in a dark parking lot. What do you think would happen? Now me, I know what would happen - Sykes would mop the floor with you. You'd be lucky to escape without permanent injuries, and Sykes would deny the whole thing."

"Now imagine the same scenario, only Col. Smith and Col. Wesson has seen fit to equalize the encounter. Sykes would scream obscenities from a safe distance and run like the devil was after him. Hey, crazy isn't stupid, right?"

Now I am supposing there would be no witnesses. There would be an individual with a CCW, and one, supposedly, without. If SFlagg is the one with a weapon he is obligated to "retreat ", if possible, and not use his weapon. Whether he can draw it or not to allow him to retreat I don't know. Now if both have weapons, and they are drawn, I guess we have a stand-off. If the weapons are fired, we may have either one or both armed people wounded or dead. If they aren't as good marksmen as they thought they were, or frazzled by the stress of the event then we probably have shots going wild. Perhaps we even have a dead citizen or two from rounds going into houses near the School Board building. But CCW is a great thing for the community.