Troy Neff Show: Breaking News from Michael Miller of the Toledo Free Press.

Troy gets a call from Michael Miller of the Toledo Free Press to address the suspension of associate vice president for Human Resources at the University of Toledo, Crystal Dixon. Crystal wrote an article in the Toledo Free Press “Gay rights and wrongs: another perspective” which lead to her suspension.

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Mike Miller: "In the interest of full disclosure, at least three women I dated in college subsequently declared themselves gay"

Ouch!

Pink Slip

That was too funny. I don't think you're supposed to tell people that.

Actually the article by Mr Miller was good. But Crystal Dixon is another story. She is factually incorrect when referring to homosexuality as a "choice" that people make. She erronuously dismisses any biological factors.

And then Ms Dixon says that gay people are not civil rights victims because they (on average) make more money than black people? What about gay black people? Or in Mrs Dixon's narrow worldview, are all gay people white?

Mrs Dixon concludes her attack by misrepresenting Christian teachings, and in doing so, exposes her own bigotry. What a sad excuse for a woman.

Pink Slip

If Ms. Dixon worked in almost any capacity other than VP in charge of Human Resources, I probably would have written off the anti-gay comments as the blatherings of an ignorant crank with an axe to grind against people who happen to be different from her.

However, if there is any department in a corporation or large organization that ought to be color-blind, gender-blind, and orientation-blind, it is HR. Ms. Dixon is not only a homophobic ignoramus, but someone who is especially thick-skulled for thinking that her high-profile status at UT's Human Resource department allows her some sort of academic freedom.

It is also disheartening that she freely acknowledged in her article the discrimination she has faced as a black woman, yet she does not believe that gays face similar barriers. This is the ultimate in hypocrisy: "MY struggles are real, but YOUR struggles are your own damned fault."

I can only hope that Ms. Dixon finds peace with herself, but I think that she has just about killed her career in human resources. I can't imagine any employer who would hire her even as a file clerk after this bizarre and regrettable outburst.

How pathetic. I think that Crystal Dixon either went off the deep end, or that she's angling for a wrongful discharge lawsuit. I can see no other reason for a person to deliberately sabotage her career with this asinine op-ed.

Oh: unless she is so filled with righteous religious zeal that the Holy Spirit uplifted her and declared her to be the Prophetess of an Immoral Toledo, in which case she should trade her designer clothes for a sack-cloth and some sandals.

the University of Toledo joins the very long line of liberal universities that pretend they allow debate to make a student whole...but, really just produce mindless liberal robots who cannot prove anything they believe.

Can anyone prove homosexuality isn't a choice? And that's irrelevant...because once again political correctness has supressed freedom of speech. I'm interested in these supposed biological findings that pink slip is referring to. Its funny how liberals constantly spout about freedoms...but, then are so willing to silece those who disagree with them.

Its a sad day in American culture when homosexuals are put on a pedastal and traditional Husbands and Fathers are ridiculed.

Kooz, Mike makes a great point about an HR person (above anyone else) should at least publicly pretend to view all others as equals. By making her bigotry known, she puts UT in a precarious situation. What happens if someone who is homosexual applies for a position, and is denied with the full knowledge that a homophobe works in the HR Dept? I think you may have a potential lawsuit on your hands.

I'm interested in these supposed biological findings that pink slip is referring to

Then look it up--do your own homework

Pink Slip

So,

Scientists have proven homosexuality is a choice? These must be the same scientists and educators who "proved" global warming is man made. Oh wait...now the top scientists in the world are saying its not now. So, it must be the scientists and educators who say that ADHD is real. Oh wait...the doctor who "discovered" ADHD has since come out and said it doesn't really exists. So, it must be the scientists and educators who told us eggs were healthy...or wait then they were unhealthy...oh wait, now their healthy again.

That's the good thing about God's laws. They are absolute...never change...and are still true even in a world deluded with and by our "scientists."

Romans 1:26-27 is very specific when Paul says, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

That's the good thing about God's laws. They are absolute...never change...and are still true even in a world deluded with and by our "scientists."

Romans 1:26-27 is very specific when Paul says, “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”

Who gives a f*** what Romans or Paul says??

Pink Slip

Who gives a f*** what Romans or Paul says??

It's obvious out here who does and who doesn't. It's also pretty much evident who gives a f*** and who doesn't about Voltaire as well when he says:

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.

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Pink Slip

Pink Slip

A paper publishes two Op-Ed columns representing two sides of an issue. One person's opinion is accepted and he's praised for it. The other person's OPINION gets her suspended.

Have her actions at work demonstrated an inability to fairly do her job? Has anything she's done other than to voice her OPINION led to her suspension?

Pink Slip. You liberals are always filled with so much rage.

WHAT YA NEED IS JESUS!!

WHAT YA NEED IS JESUS!!

Then I can be a bigot too? No thanks. I prefer the type of Christians that treat everyone equally, not the few who distort those teachings.

Pink Slip

I think Kooz has a point. There is no right and wrong in America when it comes to sex (and drugs) . Two guys , or two gals , they are the same as a guy and a gal together. And school children must be taught this too, that everything is relative. That' s what is mandated in California schools now., from kindergarten on up.
Skin color is different than sexual behavior.
Dr. Nicolosi has much research on causes and reparative therapy for those who want out of homosexuality. But even to talk about this brings much persecution.
http://www.narth.com/docs/repair.html

Geeee.....I never hear that arguement before Pink Slip. All Christians are bigots because we've always believed in one truth. We don't change what we think is right or wrong with the latest fad or trends. But you're not a bigot right? I mean you're perfect...which is why you're not a christian...because christians realize we are sinful (including bigotry) and in need of God's mercy....

...However, you still think you are enlightened by the teachings of science and men....us bigots will pray for you.

Now, back to the original point. How do you justify a professor being put on leave for merely expressing her opinion? Are you saying she's not entiltled to one? If not, then neither are the gay rights activists....

....You ridicule religion and God and those who stand up for absolute truths because you lack understanding....you have no basis to make a point....so you just say things like bigot and who cares what the Romans and Paul says,

...by the way....Paul was speaking to the Romans.....the Romans weren't doing the talking in my example of the Biblical verse.

...I pray for your soul pink slip....I pray for your soul....

All Christians are bigots because we've always believed in one truth.

No, I don't believe that. I have faith (and first hand proof) that most Christians are NOT bigots---only a few bad apples like yourself.

back to the original point. How do you justify a professor being put on leave for merely expressing her opinion? Are you saying she's not entiltled to one? If not, then neither are the gay rights activists....

Yes, back to the original point. Of course Ms Dixon is entitled to whatever opinion she has. But this statement from Dr Jacob's article should clear up some of this for you:

The Strategic Plan of the University of Toledo states certain “Core Values.” Among them are “Diversity, Integrity and Teamwork.” The document further states that we “create an environment that values and fosters diversity; earn the trust and commitment of colleagues and the communities served; provide a collaborative and supportive work environment, based upon stewardship and advocacy, that adheres to the highest ethical standard.”

Now if I'm an employer, and I have an employee that states she believes in the OPPOSITE of what our core values are, then I could not in good faith employ her. It wouldn't be right for the rest of the team to all be pulling in one direction, and one member pulling in the opposite direction.

Pink Slip

The document further states that we “create an environment that values and fosters diversity;

Except diversity of thought that is. It seem there are just a few hot button topics that people just flat out arent allowed to be on the wrong side of - This issue is one of them, There's the intelligent design vs evolution issue, there's the global warming issue...

Just a number of issues that if you dare to go against the status quo, you're out on your ass.

if I'm an employer, and I have an employee that states she believes in the OPPOSITE of what our core values are, then I could not in good faith employ her.

Yes, but you cant ask such questions in the job interview. SO - what happens if you hire someone and THEN you find out she feels the way she does, but only that that's her OPINION - she's never once exhibited any ACTION that is contrary to what the business's core values are. Can you fire her?

I'd like to be her lawyer if you do.

Oh, and by the way - Michael Miller was on the radio tonight, and says he also feels that despite the fact that he thinks some of Ms Dixon's comments are odious, the fact that she was suspended for simply speaking her mind is shocking to him. Of course, being a newspaperman, that freedom of speech thing is kinda important to him

Yes, but you cant ask such questions in the job interview. SO - what happens if you hire someone and THEN you find out she feels the way she does, but only that that's her OPINION - she's never once exhibited any ACTION that is contrary to what the business's core values are. Can you fire her?

I think in Ms Dixon's article, she pretty much said she's not willing to promote diversity. And it sounds like that's a prerequisite for her position at the university.

freedom of speech thing is kinda important to him

Yeah, it is to everyone. I know that I can say anything I want at work. I also know I can be fired for it. The rights that a citizen has, do not necessarily apply at work. The workplace is not a democracy. I can't bring a gun to work. I can be spied on, etc. You enter into a contract when accepting employment. You adhere to the company's policies. Part of our company's policies and procedures include a mission statement. I agreed to promote our vision by accepting employment there. So did Ms Dixon in her job. She broke that.

Pink Slip

I know that I can say anything I want at work. I also know I can be fired for it.

That's my whole point!!

Here's how she describes herself: a Black woman who happens to be an alumnus of the University of Toledo's Graduate School, an employee and business owner,

In her essay she did not say where she worked, did not reference her work, nor did she say she was representing the values of her workplace!

Sorry Pink she did not violate any 'policy or procedure' when writing to a newspaper as a private citizen.

it's a poorly written essay. When she writes 'an employee' right after mentioning she's a UT grad school alum, the inference could clearly be she's a UT employee and that's substantiated later when she gets into the specifics of the benefits plan at UT in the sixth paragraph.

Not that she should be suspended for murky writing skills, mind you.

As one of the area's largest employers, I'm sure UT has a top law firm on retainer whose attorneys went over the legalities of this supension with a fine-toothed comb. For their sake, they better have.

Of course she doesn't say "I work at the University of Toledo". But she does say this:

"The reference to the alleged benefits disparity at the University of Toledo was rather misleading. When the University of Toledo and former Medical University of Ohio merged, both entities had multiple contracts for different benefit plans at substantially different employee cost sharing levels. To suggest that homosexual employees on one campus are being denied benefits avoids the fact that ALL employees across the two campuses regardless of their sexual orientation, have different benefit plans. The university is working diligently to address this issue in a reasonable and cost-efficient manner, for all employees, not just one segment."

Now, we're just supposed to think that a "private citizen" is going to have details of the university benefit plans? Or are we supposed to think that a "private citizen" knows what the university is working "diligently" on? How would a "private citizen" know what is cost-efficient for UT employees? She sounded like an employee to me. THINK BILLY!

Pink Slip

It is really difficult when one and only one truth forms the basis of thought, as if to say all else is false.

Which leads to nothing but personal and senseless attacks and comments.

Just wanted to thank all the posters regardless of viewpoint for the great debate on this subject.

I recommend the book "Jesus for the Non-Religious" by Bishop John Spong for all Christians and non-Christians alike. Spong, a bible scholar, uses Paul's own words to arrive at a conclusion that one of the earliest New Testament writers was a homosexual who loathed himself for his urges. It's a commanding book, and Paul, rightfully so, is limited to one chapter, but this work by Spong is one of many written by a very religious man who has a very different interpretation of who and what Jesus was. Shalom!

I wish peace and prosperity for all.

First, Mr. Miller's editorial, which in general I'm in agreement with:

for someone who has such love and respect for the gay people in their life, I found this sentence be be an oddly flippant, toss-off remark for such an otherwise serious topic:

In the interest of full disclosure, at least three women I dated in college subsequently declared themselves gay, so I've directly contributed to the community's growth.

I think if I were gay, this isn't the kind of sentence I'd want to see in print from a 'friend' of the gay community. In fact, it more or less gives credence to Ms. Dixon's argument that being gay (or straight) is a 'choice'. The women Mr. Miller dated were 'straight" when he dated them, but afterwards they "chose" to be gay, because of their experience from dating him? I know he was going for the laugh here, but yowsa.

Per Ms. Dixon, much is being made of the fact she's being punished for having and stating her 'opinion.' Nonsense. She can have any opinion she wants. She can state her opinions in all kinds of ways, to her friends, family, anyone willing to listen. But, depending on what job title you have, you may want to be a wee bit careful about stating those opinions in a public forum.

Perhaps your opinion is the white race is superior to the black race, and all civil rights acts enacted over the past 40 years should be abolished. Maybe you feel Hitler was just a misunderstood individual and the Nazis were perfectly in their right to execute 6 million Jews. You're entitled to have all those opinions, and even express them to anyone you wish to, but if you're the associate director of human resources at a major institution of higher learning and you write an op-ed piece intended for publication expressing those opinions, well, therein lies the problem, doesn't it?

The guy working the overnight shift at Jeep? He could probably get away with such published remarks and not have his employment interrupted with suspension, though he may want to watch his back going to his car after work.

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Pinkslip, The Bible is clear that homosexuality is a sin. So, the christians you know may not be bigots like me, but they are in the very least hypocrites...because they claim to be Christians....but only beleive the parts of the Bible they want to.

Back to the original point. I agree with History Mike...that with the position she holds...she should have just not said anything. However, since its never been proven if being gay is a choice or not....then, can I assume Ms. Dixon would have also been put on leave had she said people are born homosexual?

Its laughable to read the response of UT's president where he basically throws her under the bus. But, the fact that he says UT is a place of diversity and tolerance is clearly a lie...because its obvious now if you believe homosexuality is wrong...you will be reprimanded...Its just like professors being allowed to teach Darwinism...but the second a professor wants to teach creationism...or even bring it into a debate...they get fired.

Why are American Universities so afraid of Religion?

Finally, Christians do not hate people who are gay. Just because we think their lifestyle is wrong doesn't mean we think they shouldn't have rights or should be ridiculed in anyway. Even though liberal thought likes the masses to think this...so that religion becomes the enemy.

Christians have believed quite a few very different things throughout history, as evidenced, if by nothing else, by the splitting of "Christians" into so many denominations, beginning with the split between the Eastern Orthodox and Western Roman Catholic expressions. These two split for nothing more than to follow the political split of the failing Roman Empire.
Christians did not even all believe the same thing until Constantine got all the bishops (that is, overseers of groups of several local house-meetings -- essentially very small "congregations") together and demanded they come up with one, coherent system of thought so he, as a new Christian, would know what to believe. The result is the Nicene Creed -- a highly patriarchal and hierarchical document that favored the rule of and submission to an emperor -- squashing much of the "diversity of thought" some of us today so highly value.

Whether in this issue or several others, UT has not been a bastion of "diversity of thought." Though UT President Lloyd Jacobs frequently in his Town Hall meetings urged UT students, faculty, and staff to consider the "new ideas" presented by our merger with the former Medical University of Ohio - beginning with the infamous White Paper, to asking faculty to "trust the process" of budget reallocations, restructuring of whole departments and colleges, and vast changes to the curriculum. Throughout all this process, Dr. Jacobs has urged that we allow this "diversity of thought" on our campuses, all the while pursuing a secretive yet evident agenda.
So any doublespeak in this regard is not surprising to me. But I must agree that the statements Ms. Dixon made were not acceptable. Her statements did clearly identify her with the University, and I believe that Dr. Jacobs and other administrators acted rightly when they placed her on "administrative leave." For many of the reasons already outlined above, Ms Dixon's comments crossed the lines of simple free speech to end up as hate speech -- defaming a group and sending a message that "I don't give a damn if you face discrimination, a hostile climate, or even suffer from verbal or physical harrassment or violence under my watch."
Regardless of your beliefs about same-sex sexuality in the first place -- I hope we can all agree that there are some basic human rights that all of us share regardless of our circumstances or settings, which can be summed up in "the right not to be oppressed." I think that this is the basic right that has led the Supreme Court time and again to support free speech as a principle, but limit its practice tightly [even in a public setting and outside of work] so that it cannot be used to take away someone else's right to full humanity. I think that Ms. Dixon's remarks did that - regardless of whether or not she identified herself with the University. The fact that she did, however, did not help me, my gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender friends, or their straight allies feel safe at our University. And so, though I often do not agree with Dr. Jacobs - I found his defense of a heavily margnalized group most admirable.
Though my writing here has been somewhat scattered, I think it exhibits one of the best kinds of "diversity of thought" - a nuanced opinion: supporting your right to believe what you want, supporting your right to speak it until you harm others, dismissing the myth of an eternal, historic, and immutable Christian faith while allowing your own interpretation of its current "truths," repudiating Dr. Jacob's doublespeak while celebrating the times he has taken a stand. Many points, but no contradictions.

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