SwampBubbles - personal attacks?

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Am I the only one who believes that some posters are getting too off-topic and turning SwampBubbles into a place for personal attacks? I am fairly new to this, but some of the postings this past week have been vulgar, with name-calling, profanity, and childish comments. I can choose whether I want to read vulgar books or watch R-rated movies, but I come to SwampBubbles to learn more about the people and the issues of Toledo, not to have to drag my eyes through murky posts in order to find responses to the original topic.

Also, am I wrong in expecting my username to be anonymous, unless I wish to disclose it? I have been shocked to see identities exposed by people responding to posts.  Even if you and I have had conversations about blogging here, this is an extremely public venue, and everyone should have the right to keep his/her personal information just that - personal and private.

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I agree wholeheartedly with you, suzanne. I think that it is inappropriate for people to respond to attempts at meaningful conversation with personal attacks. And, by defending myself, I have contributed to that.

I think that those of use who are willing to have honest conversation should simply ignore those who are not. I also think that when things get ridiculously out of hand, the admin should do something (particularly about some of the personal attacks and egregious profanity). So the best thing I think the posters can do (myself included) is refuse to participate in name-calling, profanity-slinging, and off-topic discussions and continute on our conversations as though they don't exist.

Sound good to anyone else?

There is a tide in the affairs of men...

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

have been warned. It is sad that they continue to do it throughout the site and have ruined 4-5 threads. Please send me any links to vulgarity that you see and they will be edited out. You can use the contact link on the top of the screen.

Usernames are kept private unless the user releases it. If users have private conversations between themselves, I can't control that other users won't release that information discovered through that route. That is between them. Unless you release the information, users do not have access to the information.

Thanks Chris, I appreciate (and I'm sure everyone else does too) the help with the profanity. I see why you can't do anything about the personal attacks and I guess we'll just have to self-police that issue and not respond to people who do that.

There is a tide in the affairs of men...

the one I think you are referring to is an education reform advocate. Many of the TPS employees and inner circle discuss, obviously, these people's online identities and the using of that persons' name was supposed to intimidate her.

I disapprove of that as a bully tactic and said so. But swampbubbles has not been like this in the past - never to this degree. :-) I'm sure it'll level out though. I've been called alot of names on here the last couple of days, but considering who's doing the name calling - you can't really take it seriously.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

Wow

I was looking at some of the threads and I am shocked at some of the swearing even by people I have not expected. You guys and gals, why do you need to swear? If you have to swear to get your point across you are being intellectually lazy.

If the personal attacks continue to spread everywhere, the users responsible will be put into a penalty box for a week. I hope I don't actually have to do this, but the conversations on some of these threads have just become ridiculous. If the users, and you know who you are, were responsible, you would go through the threads and edit out the non-pertinent conversations. Suzanne is right, things are bad right now, shape up because it does not need to be this way.

Lots of personal attacks this week, but I'm sure it will level out - it always does. Usually when they get out of hand, it's when it's a hot topic - like politics & religion. I also get annoyed to have to scroll past many, many posted comments because they are just angry bantering between two or three people - often off topic. When an enire thread is hi-jacked because two posters are nailing each other verbally with insults - that have nothing to do with the topic, it is irritating. However, I also don't believe in censorship either - and believe that a person is capable of switching channels or blogs, or simply scrolling past offending blogs & just don't read them (very easy to do). I agree with chris about the degree of swearing - it's reached some lows. That said - most of the posters are adults here I think, and few are so faint of heart that we need to weigh our words for fear of offending somebody. People get caught up in the topic - it is like conversation & like it or not, people can get emotional. I have been known to swear from time to time on this blog - but not often, I don't think. At least I hope not. What I would rather prefer posters to stop doing, is throw insulting, highly personal information out about another poster - 1) it is nobody's business 2) nobody knows if it true or the entire story 3 ) it is history & off topic & therefore, not relevant to the topic. But I also know, that highly charged topics are discussed here, and people can get emotional talking about them - so I personally can just ignore the random swearing & attitudes. If somebody is so sensitive to a little random swearing on hot topic threads, then perhaps they should look for another blog. Please don't blast me for condoning swearing - I don't. But people get caught up in the moment & sometimes, we just cut them some slack.

Are taking a 24 hr time out. For them to carry on on many different threads was just wrong and to continue to do it even after I asked them to not, well that was also wrong.

BUSTED!

Boy, I know how that feels.

I'll have to work at my previous title of Lord of the F-Bomb from that "other site". Tee hee!

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CHRIS,

All this is well and good....and I apologize for occasional outbursts of swearing-BUT.

SURELY you have to be aware that there are certain individuals both on this site ans TT that almost always hurl an insult instantly, rather than make an intelligent post. Starling and I, along with GZ, Pete, and others, obtained many enemys among the rabid smoker-haters, auch as ohiokat, mccaskey, el mahico, kooz,etc. There are more, but I can't think of everyone's screen name right at this instant.

Any time Star and I make any posts that had to do with smokers rights or private property/small business rights/junk science, we were met with derision and insults from these people. Now their venom for us has spilled over onto practically every time we make a post.

Most of the time, I don't respond to them, but it's virtually the same haters and name callers insulting me each and every time, my patience begins to run a bit thin, as it did recently with a few of them. They accuse Starling and I (among others like Brian) of being hateful, bitter , miserable people, and then proceed to derail and/or bring down every thread they post in-in other words-they are trolls. If you don't believe me, go over some of their comments-I believe you'll find that 8 out of 10 are personal insults or assaults on someone. You may check at TT as well.

I guess what I'm saying here is-I'm with Star, inasmuch as I'd prefer unbridled freedom of speech,but-if you're going to start enforcing this, Then I expect anyone who hurls a name or an insult at ANYONE be suspended temporarily. Fair enough?

Dave/Dark

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Why on earth are you pulling my name into this?

I have never used profanity or name calling when responding to your posts, despite the fact that on many occasions you have done so to me.

It's also been ages since I've even responded to anythying you've posted because of your reducing any attempts at a meaningful discussion to name calling. You tend to label anyone who doesn't agree 110% with you as any number of dergoatory names.

Leave me out of your delusions Dark, I don't want any part of them or you.

or however he spells it is another troll. That's the one I exploded on recently. As I said-their bullshit gets very old over a period of time.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Is that because I called you out for your vulgar use of language? Keep me out of your childish rants.

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And how could I ever forget our old nemesis Handbanana? I'm asking you to check everyone's postings on a random basis, when you have the spare time. Some people only sign up to cause discord, as the majority of the comments they post are personal insults.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

POT. KETTLE. BLACK.

Nobody, but nobody, went to vulgarities and the lowest base form of argument--the personal, obscenity-filled attack--quicker than yourself. LOL, "occasional" outbursts of swearing? Apologizing for that? Aren't you quite the martyr, now?

I rest my case. The hatred by some here knows no bounds. When was the last time McCaskey posted, Chris ? About anything? At least, anything That wasn't a wiseass remark or an insult? I've already admitted to swearing before, so that point is moot.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

and one that has always been the case, is that anyone who dared DISAGREE with you on any issue, but particularly any or all smoking-related ones, are considered, by you, TROLLS. You never tolerate disagreement, debate, or honest discussion without letting the f-bombs, or worse, fly. In fact, you basically told people to JUST STAY AWAY (in effect, it's 'none of your business') when smoking ban issues were talked about. Then of course, continue to talk about smoke 'Nazis.'

Since this thread is about personal attacks, the long and the short of it is, nobody really cares about the language, how personal or how crude or vulger it gets, if it's done by people who they agree with on any issue. Then, it's fine and dandy. If it's done by people considered to be on their 'side', or their 'team', nobody really cares.

Does anyone else find it ironic that a few posts up, there seems to be a conversation developing that resembles precisely those because of which this thread was posted?

Not joining in or saying anything other than I find it funny...

There is a tide in the affairs of men...

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I'm not saying anything either. I rest my case. These individuals despise me and other people on here, and offer very little in serious discussion.
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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

You mean the burgeoning flame war on the post complaining about flame wars?

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LOL :^D

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Whom ever started this verbal squabble - Suzanne? What's the problem, lady? You lacking for entertainment or something? Just when things were starting to settle down, you have to go and throw a gallon of gas on the fire. Way to go!

Since this thread is about personal attacks, the long and the short of it is, nobody really cares about the language, how personal or how crude or vulger it gets, if it's done by people who they agree with on any issue. Then, it's fine and dandy. If it's done by people considered to be on their 'side', or their 'team', nobody really cares.

So new?

For whatever it's worth, I agree with McCaskey's observation here. I also think, in my unscientific observations, that Darkseid has been a trifle short of the old fuse lately, while certain others could ignore outbursts and don't.

A part of this that I find really funny are the protests of innocence, such as OhioKat's pathetic attempt at martyrdom.

Good afternoon to all.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I wasn't attempting martyrdom, or claiming innocence, I'm just tired of him tossing my name out every time he's complaining about people who're on his shit list for what ever reason.

Just because I no longer smoke and enjoy the fact that I can smoke in a resturant without smelling cigarette smoke doesn't make me a rabid smoker hater or any of the other offensive titles he's prone to slapping on people he doesn't agree with.

don't even. You needle him with insinuations and borderline holier than thou rhetoric until he blows a gasket, then you feign innocence and whine that he's picking on you. You're a Pollyanna wanna-be offering a poisoned apple to anyone who looks even remotely hungry. I'm not buying, and I don't think I'm alone either.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

This is chris' site, and he can make any rules he chooses, and I will abide by them. That said, while I agree that the flame wars, insults, & vulgar language can get over-the-top at times, I stand by what I originally said - we are adults here, and freedom of speech should prevail. One new poster is a bit faint of heart because perhaps she stepped in on a hot topic & asks everybody to stop - and chris seems like he fell all over himself to suspend users, & give us a 'good talking to'. There are a lot of blogs & if somebody is offended or doesn't like what is discussed, they can either choose to not read the offending comments or topics, or move on to a different blog - it's called freedom of choise. This feels an awful lot like a majority being asked to watch their words for a minority - and a new minority at that. I understand that a new user doesn't know the users yet - their quirks, personalitites & perhaps the conversation seemed harsh. But that passes when you learn who to ignore, & what to expect out of certain posters. Kind of like life. I don't mean to make this new user feel unwelcome, but give people here a chance - lots of great, interesting, fun people.

From Starling: or move on to a different blog - it's called freedom of choise.

Yeah, that's a good idea. Go over to ToledoTalk, start a flame war on multiple threads (surprisingly easy, just ask McCaskey) then start dropping profanity laced insults until JR gets pissed off enough to suspend your account.

Like LimeDrops, for instance.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I did not appreciate being called filthy names over the last days anytime a particular poster saw my name.

I am NOT a new user. There is a limit - and unfortunately when a couple of new users did come in - they found completely unacceptable behavior. In ANY forum what has been going on is not acceptable. And everybody who was involved should be ashamed to have been caught in such horrible behavior. You don't blame the new people who walked in, saw a lot of abuse going on and had the presence of mind to say 'whoa - what's the deal with you people?'

No, you get a handle on the behavior and that's what I am seeing Chris doing.

If you're here to tell me it's my fault - you're right. I meant to do it. It was alot of fun. That's why I have this happy smile on my face.

I see your point, katie. I agree, that the insults & flame wars between 2 or 3 users that hi-jack threads completely gets tiresome. The vulgarity - I can handle some, I think most people here can - but it has gotten out of hand. It does show a lack of vocabulary. Sometimes, it has reminded me of two little kids bantering back & forth. ("is", "is not", "Is", "Is not"...) Hopefully it will settle down now. I did wonder what the students from Start must have thought to see adults behaving so badly. Not that users should watch their words in case kids are hanging out here - but it should be a 'heads up".

This whole thing reminds me of the start of SwampBubbles, which some of you might remember. Anyway, as I recall it, someone started up the nth flame war over some fairly trivial topic, and JR posted a lecture on how tired he was of keeping the peace, and how he envisioned ToledoTalk as a place to post housekeeping hints, favorite recipes and cute anecdotes about their toy bulldog molesting the cat next door. Maybe that last is a bit of a stretch, but you get my drift. Chris was good enough to start up SwampBubbles to provide a venue for controversial topics and raw opinions - now there are complaints?

Meanwhile, JR lets some fool post the eternal abortion question which is just like parading a herd of heifers past a young bull, and then putting up a fence between the two. What does JR think is going to happen?

Me, I like it here and I don't mind the profanity and the personal insults. The only marginally valid complaint I've seen involves hijacking a thread, and Chris can put a stop to that if he chooses.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I'm glad you brought it up, Jack, and reminded me of JR's lecture. Lo, these many years ago! I had put that in the back of my mind. Yeah, this is what SB is supposed to be... people sometimes get pissed off. What do you expect? Two days later, it's all forgotten and we move on. Please don't censor this site. It's a gem, warts and all.

By the way, I don't think JR's site is what it used to be. A pale copy of its former self. SB is much, much better, obscenities and all.

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