POSSESSION of Tobacco Illegal in Karloffornia Town

If you ever had a doubt, if you ever thought for a second that maybe we were all exaggerating with all our talk of health hypocrisy, junk science, neo-communism, and the true motives of these people, this one takes the cake.

Let it be known that the mere POSSESSION of TOBACCO, A PERFECTLY LEGAL PRODUCT FOR ADULTS, is subject to fine in Santa Cruz, CA.

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2007/03/santa-cruz-...mere-possessio...

Proof positive that it is NOT about smoking, but about the SMOKER. How much would you care to bet that you could smoke a joint anywhere in town and not a goddamned word would be said? This shit is getting out of hand now.

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I have an unsupported opinion based upon a cynical suspicion that California became so drenched with money that the people were too starry-eyed to notice things like civil rights on one hand and social structure on the other.

We should let California secede from the Union and then tariff the hell out of their products. At this point, although a harsh solution, that seems to be just about the only way to re-align "Clownifornians" to American culture.

...and make the product illegal than to keep making the use of a legal product a crime...

(note - not advocating either here, just raising the point...)

And another thought - will the city of Santa Cruz return any portion of the taxes it gets that come from tobacco products or their sale? Probably not...

Does the link work? I get a Page Not Found.

When this was posted:
Let it be known that the mere POSSESSION of TOBACCO, A PERFECTLY LEGAL PRODUCT FOR ADULTS, is subject to fine in Santa Cruz, CA.

it conveniently left out the words "County Park System."

By the way, I agree this goes too far, but if you're going to attempt to make a point, at least include all the facts.

But Dark is right - hands down. Possession is possession is possession...

You cant even CARRY A PACK OF SMOKES in the parks out there? WTF is the crime rate in Santa Cruz? They dont have enough to worry about without enacting retarded laws like that?

But the bigger story is about another tiny chink being set into the armor of personal rights and it goes unnoticed by the great unwashed.

Orwell missed it - or maybe he underestimated sanity by 20-25years, but his book is still right in there.

Carry Winston's not to offend...

Do not pack a pack of Pall Malls into the Mall, Paul...

It's becoming a police state.

And still, all the smoke nazi's are patting themselves on the back over the passing of smoking bans - they really don't seem to grasp how it's the beginning of the end to personal freedoms & rights. They are so smug, arrogant, self righteous by demanding that privately owned businesses be required to bend to their whims & demands - like they have the right to dictate what a private business owner can allow in his place of business. And they always seem to end up with the final excuse of 'Well I don't like how it smells'. They're indifferent that it will cause more economic problems, put people out of work, destroy businesses that people have put their money & sweat into. Wasn't good enough for restaurants to have separate smoking sections where they'd never have to smell the shs; or that bars, etc. could post signs alerting them that smoking was allowed - it had to be their way or no way. The ban damage in Hawaii is horrific - and it's an island for God's sake - not like they can jump a state line as easy as we can. I have searched a lot to find just one state that a smoking ban didn't cause extreme ban damage - there any. Ireland is as bad - they can't give away pubs now. But the smoke nazi's still think it's a good thing & don't seem to realize that it never, ever ends with second hand smoke or smoking. That's just the place the nannies start because smokers are the easiest to target right now. Ohio's smoking ban is bogus - I've found information (too tired to dig it up tonight, but will if needed) that claims that there are over 90,000 uncounted votes, and that they tested the Diebold (sp) voting machines & a huge number of them were faulty. I'm disqusted that of all the world's problems, the smoke nazi's waste their time on smoking bans.

What do you expect? At one time an attempt was made to define the role and ambit of the US Government. Over two hundred years have passed, and the size, role and domain of the federal government has grown far out of proportion to the populace and the geographic area. Having allowed government to grow, do you seriously expect it to not govern its subjects?

On the surface, the smoking ban is to be expected. Tobacco has a lot of bad press associated with it, and smokers make good enemies, being few in number and relatively poor. It costs government nothing to vilify this segment of the population. On another level, the ban isn

Mad Jack
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Just be glad that you're not a victim of public education, and so are able to discern between satire and sarcasm.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Sorry for the typo on my last post on this thread - on my search for ban damage across the country, I meant to say "there aren't any", instead the typo shows I said "there are". It was late, I was tired.

Seriously, read it again:

"Our politicians are not our fucking parents and the more they act like it, the more I get the urge to throw a tantrum. Darkseid has his finger on the pulse of this. Banning legal products is an outrage and he is just expressing that outrage. The real question is:

Why are people like Darkseid so outnumbered in the public eye?"

Am I missing something here? Dude, he's on YOUR side.

I thought he was, too, but you must have missed this. Sounds wiseass to me, unless you can explain it differently somehow (this was in response to McAsskisser):
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It's sad ...
Submitted by GuestZero on Wed, 2007-03-28 12:04.
... that I'm unable to tell a difference between if you had merely copied what Darkseid wrote, or if you're parodying what Darkseid MIGHT write.
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I actually think that GZ is only on GZ's side, and considers other posters to be somewhat undeserving of his rapier-sharp well-honed wit-not that there's anything inherently WRONG with that, mind you. 8^D But it's difficult to tell with him sometimes.

By the way-that's the THIRD time McAsskisser has referred to my 'about me' writings, each time an insult-which obviously shows true rabid anger and obsession. Some assclown on another board did this, and even ran a google search to see what comic shops there were in toledo-and mentioned them-from my commenting I collected original comic art. Shows a true lack of originality, don't you think? "bite me' would get more respect from me. I have never owned any star wars undies or clothing. Seem to recall
wearing a Flash Gordon or Buck Rogers one back when I was around six, though. At least, unlike most, I have the goddamned balls to mention something as to who I am.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Darkseid said about another poster
He has never known what it's like to just get along with people

and Dark does?

obviously shows true rabid anger and obsession.

Well you DS, would know about that.

I'm sorry, but coming from you Dark,those are the funniest statements I've ever heard.

As to the actual topic, I do think that Santa Cruz is over stepping its bounds. Its on thing to ban smoking in enclosed areas, its another when you're talking public parks (unless it's during a drought and there is a fire concern from discarded smoking materials) but the possession thing is way over reaching.

to being obsessed with freedom.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

work on it, but I'm hitting the sack right now ZzZZZzZZzzz

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

What the hell difference does it make if it's 'just' the town's park system or not?

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

is the fact that Britney can't fart without my hearing about it....and FOX new network (aka Tabloid Central) has given us how many fucking weeks now of Anna Nicole....NON-STOP? And this story went COMPLETELY UNOTICED. I think the country really ended with the Kelo decision, anyway. When private property rights were taken away, the neo-coms finally won. That and the free market are really the 2 primary things that really makes capitalism different from communism. Take them away and.....well, you can see where we're going. Your body-your property-your life-your children-all belong to the fuherer (state).

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

is a pisspoor excuse for a fucking human being who would still be whining about the smoker ban vote had it not gone HIS way. I would venture a guess that he never served in the military, never had to sacrifice or suffer in life, and his parents or guardians always gave him all the education or support he wanted. He has never known what it's like to just get along with people, has no concept or care about the constitution of the united sates, and does not believe in private property rights, which means he's a big supporter of the kelo decision.

He would never make it as a business owner in the hospitality industry, as he wants government and the police to decide who his clientele can be.

He's also an arrogant prick who wants it all his way. I despise the american nazi party, but realize they must have their rights too. McAsskisser believes smokers and business owners have no rights. Only he and his ilk have rights that must supercede everyone else's.

BTW-I used to defend and respect you,GZ , but after that snide comment above, I believe I've defended you for the last time, not that you care or need it, but I'm starting to see why you have so many enemies. Thanks again.

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In World War 2 we fought (and defeated) the Axis. Today we're afraid of cellphones, smokers, and cheeseburgers. It's about at the end, people.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Let's try THIS-I have always LEFT OTHER PEOPLE ALONE-with places to congregate, freedom of assembly,etc;even if their behavior sickened me-AS LONG AS IT DIDN'T INTERFERE with MY life or rights. Better? And I merely have as much anger for others as they have for me-no more, no less. Nothing at all wrong with anger if properly channeled-which is another thing wrong with the country-we've been de-balled with the coming of PC.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

didn't get into the service. Maybe if you'd smelled bodies burning in the night (now THERE'S some ETS for ya!) , you may have had a different outlook on things. Oh, well. I did retire at 62, and never regretted it one iota.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

I ran one quick search before going to bed. This should work:

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2007/03/santa-cruz-county-bans-mere-...

Nite, All.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

That would solve the problem overnight, because I understand they are some sort of miracle machines that somehow render tobacco smoke undetectable. That's why casinos are always exempt.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Me thinks you know perfectly well the difference. Your wording in your initial post suggests it's illegal to have tobacco products in one's home, car or just walking the streets of Santa Cruz.
I know the predictable refrain--"that's whats next."
But, until if and when we get to that point, let's not let the facts get in the way of a good yarn, eh?
I know you're "blissfully retired" but you'd make a damn fine headline writer for the Drudge Report.

Guv'ment rules! Your property is yours only as long as government allows it. When it decides to take it, you lose. All these applauders of smoking bans and other restrictions on Americans' rights will rue the day when one of their "freedoms" is also removed by government... and will then wonder who and where their defenders are. THEY destroyed their defenders long ago.

And how are you today? Oh great, that's nice to know. Well, it's a beautiful day out today, no? No arguing that point, eh?

Ok, now I see you want to know all about my life and my parents and all kinds of personal stuff. None of it that's pertinent here or any or your business, but of course you'd find a new nickname for me if I didn't reply like....hmmmmm...McAssCoward? Yeah, that sounds about right.
Ok, now, let's do the short version, since it's not really all that interesting.
Ah, no, I did not serve in the military. Made it as far as the physical exam at New Cumberland (Pa.) Army Depot in fall of '72, but then the Vietnam War ended three months later. Was I happy I didn't have to go? Sure.
My education? Yep, bachelor's degree, paid about 2/3 myself and folks helped out with the rest.
Parents gave me everything? Well, no, I worked since I was 16 and then moved 500 miles and out of the house altogether at 19 when a girlfriend and I moved to Toledo area while we both went to UT. Worked then too. Paid own monthly bills except for some college help as noted above.
Anyways, just schlepping along now with a very middle-class existence, wife, two kids, mortgage to pay, yada, yada. Trying to retire by 62 but I'm an older father with expenses coming down the road so probably won't make that. Oh, well.

So, that about wraps it up. Spare me your life story. It's none of my business and I don't really care.

have been SHS (secondhand smoke-or, if you prefer, scorched humans smoke) rather than ETS (enviornmental tobacco smoke). Although if the burning body had belonged to a smoker, people like Tracey Sabetta, Stu Kerr, and all those who vote for smoker bans would probably claim they could detect it. I was too busy vomiting at the time to really notice, myself.

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In World War 2 we fought (and defeated) the Axis. Today we're afraid of cellphones, smokers, and cheeseburgers. It's about at the end, people.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

you miserable prick. It doesn't matter WHERE in town it's at. Shove your nitpicking up your elitist ass. But then, you'll always see things the way you want to see them, and it'll never favor smokers.

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In World War 2 we fought (and defeated) the Axis. Today we're afraid of cellphones, smokers, and cheeseburgers. It's about at the end, people.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

The new Amerikan Landscape. It's really sad to see the greatest country the world has ever known be slowly and systematically destroyed by such cowardly wimps and pathetic losers. I once conversed via the web with a woman who came here from Russia. She said she could not believe how she came here initially for freedom in the 70's, enjoyed it for some years, and was HORRIFIED to see Americans starting to give it away. I last spoke to her about 5 years ago. I wonder how she feels now.

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In World War 2 we fought (and defeated) the Axis. Today we're afraid of cellphones, smokers, and cheeseburgers. It's about at the end, people.

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'I used to have compassion, but they taxed it and legislated it out of existence.'

Darkseid is certainly gettin' his panties in a bunch over this, park or home, but ... who can blame him for his attitude? He's gettin' kinked over this clear problem:

Why are we banning perfectly legal products?

Darkseid obviously knows that once you ban a perfectly legal product in the city parks, it's just a first step by the Neo-Coms in City Hall. Literally, they didn't enact such a ban out of a desire for public health, etc. They only did it since they wanted to see what the public would tolerate when they trampled their civil rights. Once successful in a first step, they go back to their plans for expanding the radius of the ban. The second step, and subsequent ones, are already written down somewhere in a document that the public either doesn't see or doesn't understand is accessible but their politicians have read religiously.

Our politicians are not our fucking parents and the more they act like it, the more I get the urge to throw a tantrum. Darkseid has his finger on the pulse of this. Banning legal products is an outrage and he is just expressing that outrage. The real question is:

Why are people like Darkseid so outnumbered in the public eye?

Darkseid gets his R2-D2 signature underwear in a bunch over this because he's a hostile prick who, if the wrong person on here or on TT said, "Boy, it's a partly-cloudy day outside," he'd reply "fuck you, it's a partly-sunny day, and while we're at it, it's the worst, most overrated fucking partly sunny day I've ever seen in my life, just like that tv show you mentioned is the most fucking overrated show ever and that movie you brought up was the worst fucking overrated film of all time, and oh yeah, that public smoking ban vote that didn't go my way last November was the worst fucking result of a vote
I've ever seen, and by the way, if that vote had turned out differently and people were on this board were bitching about it FIVE MONTHS after the fact I'd be calling them every fucking crybaby, spoiled-brat name I could think of but instead it's ME that's bitching so, of course, its o.k. and I can post moronic stories like some kid being killed in a NY strip club and blame it on everybody who might have voted for the smoking ban."

Gee, that sentence was a little long.

... that I'm unable to tell a difference between if you had merely copied what Darkseid wrote, or if you're parodying what Darkseid MIGHT write.

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