Who won the debate?
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fool, with his walking around and making faces when Barack Obama was speaking. I especially was disturbed/perturbed when he pointed at and called Barack Obama, "that one." He is merely inciting people to think and do things that they would nor ordinarily think and do.
He is a silly man and a dangerous person fot this nation. Barack Obama needs to stay on message and McCain and Palin will self destruct.
Twila, seeing that Obama's message is that the magical money fairy will come down and shower the lower class with wealth, then he is also destructing.
I already know McCain is a piece of shit. He allied to one of the worst Presidents in U.S. history just to be on the temporarily winning side. But Obama? The Obama supporters can't tell us what he can do that will fix all this economy and war shit. He won't stop the wars abroad. He won't stop the principle of tax-and-spend. He won't stop all this criminal speculation on necessary assets like oil, food and houses.
You need to start explaining where Obama's magical money fairy is actually getting her money from, Twila. "Tax the oil companies" is not the answer. TAXES are not the answer. The only answer is to reduce the government to the Constitutional minimum.
The only answer is to reduce the government to the Constitutional minimum.
At this point in time, all that this would accomplish is to feed the Corporate State. We will never be able to have small gov't until the power of corporations is curtailed. The founding fathers knew this. Check out some of the draconian state laws regarding corporations in the late 1700's to mid 1800's. Until then, we will have to continue to play this Democrat-Republican game and vote for the lessor of two evils (which is Obama in this case).
Repeal corporate personhood!
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... a minimum government is a POWERLESS government. That's just not the case. Reducing the government also means narrowing its focus to the things which are truly important, like maintenance, tax collection and law enforcement.
In part, the corporations rule now since they sit at the thousands of unnecessary tables that our bloated government has set up. Once the government is reduced and focused into what's truly necessary under the U.S. and state constitutions, then the common man will have enough time to oversee the few tables left to oversee, and the corporations will be more exposed as the corrupting influences they really are.
Your last part is still correct. Corporate personhood should be rescinded. There's next to no legal basis for it, in the first place. Corporations constantly fight against the real handling of persons, such as jailing and execution, so it doesn't make any sense in the first place.
In part, the corporations rule now since they sit at the thousands of unnecessary tables that our bloated government has set up.
Agreed on that. But breaking the iron triangle is only one part of the equation. An unfortunate side-effect of uncontained corporate power, is the use of gov't to protect citizens against corporate excess--thus growing gov't.
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And for decades we have been told by candidates from all quarters that the size of the government will be reduced, while at the same time, the size of the government is increased.
Sure, Ron Paul, made the statements that he would reduce the size of government, etc., but he is not the lone leader in the U.S..
He would have had to convince law makers to rescind decades and over two centuries of governmental growth, all put in place with legislative action.
We hear in the campaign today, less government and yet there is a proposal for more government intervention and more government agencies and more government over sight.
When the reigns are taken off, we see what happens and collectively we all keep paying for the excesses and paying and paying and paying.
"that one," was racial.
McCain's "that one" remark was at the very least, disrespectful. I was waiting for him to yell at the kids to "get off his damn lawn". How about McCain's answer to fix Social Security and Medicare? He said SS was an easy fix---you just have to reach across the aisle like he has done in the past (uh, can you be a little more vague?). And to fix Medicare? Just get the smartest people in America together. Huh? of course, McCain doesn't plan on "fixing" SS and/or Medicare----he just plans on cutting them.
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EVERYTIME I post it is ALWAYS seen as racial?
You Mr. Neff in charge of a radio program and on the airwaves in other media should have a more open mind. But I guess it is the Toledo mentality. If you don't like the message denigrate the messenger or at least button hole them. I really thought better of you than that but this election season has brought out the ugly in everyone!
ALWAYS seen as racial. And I have never posted such on this or any other site. I heard some were suggesting such and then seen your post. That's why I asked the question not to button hole you. Sorry if you took it that way. I don't think McCain in anyway meant "that one" to mean anything about color and I'm surprised some have.
I have never heard Obama address any issues with the "lower class" unless you are equating the middle class that he talks about with "lower class."
The key issue here is the magical money fairy, not particularly which lines are drawn on which class. The money just doesn't exist. In fact, as we're speaking here, money is evaporating through a process of investment portfolio destruction on the levels of persons and institutions.
The point is that the money doesn't exist, and giving people the impression that it DOES exist is what's sinking Obama. He and Biden can stare at the cameras and try to talk directly to the growing hole in the worker's wallet, but it's false and you Democrats are remarkably behind schedule in getting your man Obama to account for it.
In other words, if Obama really wants to NATIONALIZE the oil companies in the USA, then he should just SAY HE'S DOING IT and then DO IT, and not pretend that taxing their net gains will achieve anything. The Democrat-dominated U.S. Congress is effectively nationalizing the finance industry right now, so there's hardly any lack of precedent for doing that, eh?
Maybe it was just a senior moment and he forgot Barry's name
I am an Independent.
However, that doesn't explain your support for Obama. He's not fiscally conservative. He's not for stopping war (since what's going on in the Middle East is pretty much pointless unless you're an oil company or some other Imperialist). He clearly doesn't understand the coming Great Depression II, and neither does he understand what caused it (his YEA vote for the banker bailout illustrating my point).
If he thinks that we can just go into the courts and allow people to have a $250K house for $100K, then the very nature of contracts are SHATTERED. No one speaks for the renters and savers in this nation, and that's a critical undermining of stable culture.
he is cute. :=) This is the first time I have gotten a chance to vote on a handsome presidential candidate. :=)
Is that like the 'you people' comment so often heard?? Such ignorance and childish behavior. I have heard the saying all too often, "once a man, but twice a child". Perhaps at 72 he's on his way back the other way. Class? Integrity? How about rude and disrespectful amongst other adjectives. Maverick? I was thinking more along the lines of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle...
the rights that Americans once enjoyed that are now gone due to Homeland? Security? and the Bush administration? Isn't that called "more government?"