NBC 24 reporter Aaron Brilbeck has new details on the Erie Street Market "sale" that's not a sale at all. Aaron will be on with Fred LeFebvre Wednesday morning. Looks like we will still be on the hook for the utilities for some time unless council grows a pair.
New Erie Street Market Twist Explained On The #1 Morning Talk Show On 1370 WSPD Wednesday
By fred - Posted on April 22nd, 2008
Tagged: News
• Too high
• Northwest Ohio
• City Council
• Development
• Mayor
• Toledo
• Carty Finkbeiner
Frederick,
Looks like I'll be tuning in to the Troy Neff Show once again come sunrise. Can't get all worked up about a couple electric bills. Can't figure out why you do. Least ways I'll listen to people who have more important things to talk about than who's paying for keeping them lights turned on at Erie Street Market. Damn, boy, you left the lights burning all the time when you were at home. Your mama used to tell me you were a "thinker." Bless her soul, that was before she stepped out in front of a bus.
Dad
Don, I realize you playing my father is a joke, but my dad died just 4 years ago and I'd appreciate it if you could come up with another alter ego. thanks
Fred. That whole thing was uncalled for. He's one of those posters it's just best to cruise on by without reading.
Would you post a link to this? I thought the whole thing smelled rotten.
Some time ago the Mayor put out rent paying tenants for a renovation that never happened. Didn't make any sense at all. I thought at the time 'wonder if the Mayor, or someone he owes a favor to, has a buddy who'd like to buy it?'
It's not really a sale - per se:
*the new people will just 'run' the ESM for a year.
*Toledo taxpayers pay all utilities
*Toledo taxpayers pay all maintenance
*after one year the situation will be assessed and it will then be decided IF we will sell it or not?
If anyone's in the know, please let me know if Im on the right track or not.
Questions:
*Is there any onus on the buyer? After one year does HE decide whether to buy, or does Carty decide whether to sell?
* What about profit during the first year? Does the city get any portion of it, or are we looking at costs only?
*during this first year, will we continue to market the ESM?
*what if after a year this prospective buyer backs out? Will we be back to square one and just another year older and deeper in debt?
... so I'll have to assume what you said is true.
So, it appears that Czarty is wasting money once again, by letting a company (as others suspect, is probably a crony connection) "test drive" the ESM at taxpayer cost.
Of course, the ESM all along was an outrage, but Toledoans are so hypnotized by the Myth of Economic Development that they never made any serious attempt to put in city councilmen who would stop such outrages. In effect, there is no outrage, so the waste will continue.
As for the "renovation" ... I've seen people blatantly lie just to get people to move out so they could use the property for other reasons. We now know that the renovation explanation was just a lie. Czarty tells lies as a matter of course -- it's part of his being clinically crazy and in constant need of pharmaceutical assistance. But that just means that we know he's lying when his mouth is open.
Electing a mayor who's not deceitful and not crazy would be a big help, next time.
a Mayor who is not deceitful or crazy requires getting those names on the ballot. We need people to get involved early in the process so that we don't get to the ballot and see only Dumb and Dumber or Crooked and Crookeder again.
If people know community leaders they should get involved and encourage them to throw their hat in the ring. It's not like the Blade can completely steer the next election. We have another newspaper in town now.
the problem is Kate, (and yeah, I know Im preaching to the choir) - Let me copy/paste sflagg from another post:
Let's face it, you have to be wealthy or well connected -probably both - to run for national office. Besides, most people we as Americans would consider for president must be successful. Generally that means they have brought home the "bacon" in slabs and not in strips as most Americans do.
Same applies to who we need to have run for mayor - we dont need any more career politicians, realtors and lawyers - we need someone who knows how to BUILD something and sustain it's growth - someone with experience in doing so. People like this arent interested in the pressure that they'd be given from the local political parties, unions, and other special interest groups - not to mention what the little despot from Pittsburg likes to do to people who dont polish his ring enough.
The type of person we need would most likely figure all the BS that will be thrown at him is just not worth it. It's just that BS that we need to get rid of before we can get such a person to lead us. Basically we've got a lot of work to do - we need to prove we're worth the effort, and for the last few decades we've proven (through voter turn out, and not paying attention to what goes on at 1 govt center) that we just dont give a shit.
That being the case, why would someone other than a career politican step up to the plate? Look at what's out there right now - what do you think Carty could ever do in the private sector to earn $137K/year?
Yeah, we need somebody special, but are we willing to do what it takes to get someone like that into office?
Yeah, Billy, you've got to get by The Blade first. They make and break anybody who wants to run for office in this town as you noted. Block LOVES "career politicians, realtors and lawyers". And if they don't "polish his ring enough", they are gone. The Blade is a reason why we aren't moving ahead. It is reactionary and backs the hacks.
... I call it the "Blockade", Pete. The Blockade has pretended for years that the "naysayers" have been Toledo's problem. However, the problem is easily dozens of times more affected by the "braysayers" -- those braying jackasses like the Blocks who push fantasies and tall tales upon the public in order to get them to believe in something.
It takes several hundred to a couple of thousand volunteers to canvas the city and spend some of their own money on a paper to print at home and distribute. If 500 individuals printed 500 sheets of printer paper each and walked/delivered those 500 sheets of info to 500 homes each, that's 250,000 homes. That kind of personal touch would garner a lot of support just on the effort.
If 20 individuals were to sponsor a community/neighborhood gathering in each neighborhood of the city, get the chosen candidates to come and talk with those citizens that would attend, another massive and effective tool. Cost might be in the range of $1000 for each event divide by the 20 people is only $50 each.
A small number of people that are connected to Churches, social groups and business can host small events at low cost and frankly, the Blade and the rest of the "Machine" would simple be left out of the loop.
Getting the interest up enough to get started, getting people to commit and carry through on the work/cost involved, and then the citizens can change the course forever.
If this method worked on at least half of the people in this city, the rest would be history. The media and the rest would end up having to bow to the new way and that would be a riot to watch. But what do I know?? ;-)
honestly if a candidate was on the ballot, never campaigned but was just a name of a well respected Toledoan on the LAST ballot for Mayor - I'd have taken the chance. I truly would have.
What percentage of people do you estimate are good and pissed off at the result of the good ol' boy leadership over the last decade of Toledo's decline?
I think people are desperate for real leadership....and it's possible alot of them think like I do. That it is worth a risk if it MIGHT produce change.