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Lafe Tolliver Unplugged: Weeping and crying all night long

By chrismyers - Posted on March 14th, 2007
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Oh....you have got to read this. Lafe Tolliver does not leave you guessing how he feels. Go Lafe!

Weeping and crying all night long

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Changes in the wind
Submitted by bill on Wed, 2007-03-14 20:47.

Chris I would not be surprised given the financial melt down of both the city and TPS if some of the current power brokers don't jump ship along with the kids.

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on a side note...
Submitted by maggiethurber on Thu, 2007-03-15 08:51.

...I'm continually amazed that attorneys don't realize that our local jurisdictions aren't bound by the Freedom of Information Act - but rather by the Ohio Public Records laws.

Suggest anyone wanting public records use OHio law.

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Gee Bill
Submitted by kateb on Thu, 2007-03-15 09:38.

could be that Eugene Sanders saw the writing on the wall shortly after he took the job as Superintendent here? Mayhaps this is why he started interviewing for jobs way back in the way back.

Maggie - very good point.

I'd just add these resources and good articles from the Plain Dealer about citizens using the laws, a link to a page with three stories - one of them a finding that Ohio's governmental agencies were found to be in compliance with the law less than half of the time, "Open records? In Ohio, it's hit or miss" and a link to a guide on the law.

http://www.cfac.org/Attachments/ohio_open_records.html
http://www.cleveland.com/publicrecords/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/...
http://www.rcfp.org/ogg/index.php?op=browse&state=OH

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Ok, you win.
Submitted by kateb on Thu, 2007-03-15 17:58.

Nice resource you posted there. An excerpt from this handy dandy booklet -

Ohio

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I'll raise
Submitted by sflagg on Thu, 2007-03-15 09:56.

Kate - I'll call your bet and raise you one big resource. It is called the Ohio Open Government Reource Manual. I first found it about 8 years ago. It is updated annually.

http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/LocalGovernment/YellowBook/OpenGovernment...

And Maggie is correct - use the Open Records Act - R.C. 149.43 to request records.

This form the Frequently Asked Questions section of the Resouce Manual:

Q: Does the federal Freedom of Information Act(FOIA) control state or local governmental agencies or officers?

A: No. The federal FOIA does not apply to state or local agencies or officers. A request for government records from a state or local agency in Ohio is governed by Ohio

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"Liberally Construe"
Submitted by GuestZero on Fri, 2007-03-16 00:03.

It seems that it means what it means in English: to apply the rule to admit the widest possible range of open discussions, hence minimizing those items which belong in executive sessions. This is important to specify, since if left to their own devices, politicians would close as many discussions, meetings and records as possible within the verbatim scope of the law. We've already caught a good many politicians and civil employees trying to "minimize" the impact of the FOIA by "maximizing" the number of records covered under FOIA exemptions. For example, information in reports can be split up into two types, one of which (i.e. the sensitive stuff the pols want to hide) is exempted from release under the FOIA and the other which can be FOIA released.

I'm sure Junta and other can chime in here for the Legal Eagle view. Allegedly, eagles have great eyesight.

In closing, I must provide a great excerpt from my beloved copy of "The Complete Yes Minister", in which a civil service employee had struggled to hide one of his early failures, and by select use of the Official Secrets Act (among other UK law) he managed to whittle down a damning file to 0 pages, which he explained thusly:

"This file contains the complete set of available papers except for:
(a) a small number of secret documents
(b) a few documents which are part of still active files
(c) some correspondence lost in the floods of 1967
(d) some records which went astray in the move to London
(e) other records which went astray when the War Office was incorporated into the Ministry of Defence
(f) the normal withdraw of papers whose publication could give grounds for an action of libel or breach of confidence or cause embarrassment to friendly governments."

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