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I would at least have like to see her have to pay restitution for the man hours expended for her little game.
KMH Gets two years probabion for fibbin'
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... is that she can't pull the same shit (or ANY shit) again for the next two years without staring a 3-month jail sentence in the face, and a likely disbarment.
And as for her having "no priors":
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Ms. McConnell Hancock, who is the daughter of Toledo Municipal Court Judge C. Allen McConnell, also in January admitted guilt in an unrelated matter in Lucas County Probate Court involving the embezzlement of more than $130,000 from the estate of a murdered Toledo city worker. Similar accusations from other clients are pending against her, and the Lucas County prosecutor’s office continues to investigate theft claims.
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No priors? NOT FOR LONG.
A slap on the wrist would have been more painfull.
This looks terrible. A judges daughter getting off very easy. Where was the hate crime specification for saying she was snatched up by a white and a black man ? And as stated before she has no prior record... not yet. Will a conviction on those charges flip this suspended sentence ?
She brings a Black Eye to the city and gets off this easy. Tragic.
Did she ever have that baby?
Fuck the baby, can we have equal justice here? She ought to be spending a little time behind bars.
Yes, she had twins. Named them Bonnie and Clyde.
on kids.
Pete and Don were not speaking about kids at all. You know that.
Now how 'bout your opinion on the verdict? Or will you stay true to form?
angrysage, I believe she said she was abducted by 2 white men & 1 black woman. So where IS the outrage? Interesting how it is nonexistent when it is a black person falsely blaming a white person for a crime. Turn it around - make Karyn a white lawyer, who falsely blamed 2 black men for her abduction - all hell'd be breaking loose with cries of racial inequity.
I thought it was grounds for disbarment to embezzle funds from a client - automatic disbarment, no probations. It is one of the most important Canons of Law (I have a copy here). Also co-mingling of funds is grounds - did she do that (I thought she did)?
purnhrt - it's not that we dont care about this bitches kids, it's that her kids are NOT the topic of this thread. Completely irrelevent to the topic. She got off with a freaking handslap, when a white woman lawyer would have been doing jail time & disbarred. What say YOU , purnhrt? (kind of reverse discrimination - but you don't seem to 'get' what that means.)
Yes this seems light and I agree that she should pay for the police time spent looking for her.
2004 Audrey Seiler also was ordered to reimburse the Madison Police Department $250 per month for the length of the probation. That amount could increase to $400 a month if she graduates and gets a job.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/07/01/missing.student.sentence/index.html
March 12, 1995
A Federal judge, acknowledging the stresses on a Middlesex County woman who remains a suspect in her son's death, sentenced her on Friday to three years' probation for faking her own abduction to Detroit last year.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=990CEEDE143DF931A25750C0A...
2006 Judge Mark Carpanini sentenced her to three years of probation, ordered that she pay the Sheriff's Office their investigative costs of $4,597 as well as court costs, and that she complete her Department of Children & Families case plan.
http://www.theledger.com/article/20071004/NEWS/710040507/0/FRONTPAGE
At least in a few of the most famous cases, it seems probation was what was ordered.
Why the vehement hostility towards this woman? You would think that she had personally offended each one of you. What she did was a crime and she will pay for it one way or the other.You all are just meanspirited, unfeeling, uncaring people. Sometime I read this stuff and I wonder what kind of people you are. I do know one thing, you are not the kind of people I want to be involved with in the real world, why would I torture myself by blogging with you all?
You remind me of the girls in the video who are beating up another girl for absolutely no reason. Sickening.
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Submitted by OhioKat on Wed, 2008-04-09 15:02.
Did she ever have that baby?
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Fuck the baby, can we have
Submitted by Pete on Wed, 2008-04-09 16:40.
Fuck the baby, can we have equal justice here? She ought to be spending a little time behind bars.
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Karyn's baby?
Submitted by donwert on Wed, 2008-04-09 16:40.
Yes, she had twins. Named them Bonnie and Clyde.
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From Starling:
purnhrt - it's not that we dont care about this bitches kids, it's that her kids are NOT the topic of this thread.
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I fail to see how my asking if she has had her baby yet makes me a bad person. I was just curious because every clip they show of her she is pregnant and I wasn't sure if they were old clips or not. It seems to me like she should have had it by now.
I also think that the case of a pregnant woman claiming to have been kidnapped does kind of make the baby part of any topic concerning her.
I wonder if her being pregnant (or having recently given birth) had some or any effect on her sentence.
This has NOTHING to do with her pregnancy or her child. This has to do with a woman in a privileged position in our society, a political woman who has a father in high places and who tried earlier to trade on that influence (remember the double-parked car in front of the court house and the Chief of Police yanking her ass out of the fire?). This is a cry for equal justice from all of us common yokels who don't have the political power to get dad to help us out of a mess. I will also note that her husband, the "reverend", did not help her in this debacle. He was on TV ready to attack anyone who even suggested there was something odd about the whole affair. Don't go crying foul about these comments. There is no racism or disregard for children here. It's about influence and what it can do for you. It's about the good ole-boy network in Toledo and that includes the courts.
I will add that I DO feel personally offended every time I see or hear of a politician or "privileged" person in our society who thinks he can get away with anything simply because of his position or connections. That is NOT equal justice. And that offends me very much.
Why the vehement hostility towards this woman?
because maybe I spent more time in jail for hitchhiking
Where's the justice?
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- Just the KAT, thinking out loud again. :)
purnhrt - WHY the hostility towards this woman? (I wonder if you'd be asking the question if she'd been a white female attorney who'd absconded money from your family.) I can't speak for anybody else, but my hostility comes mainly from the fact that she stole money from clients - many clients. Some of those clients were children who's mother had died, and I feel bad for those children. She is an attorney, and attorneys are supposed to be trustworthy, and they know fully well, that they can be disbarred by unethical behavior, theft of funds, etc. and she did it anyway - many times. She didn't seem to have much compassion for that dead woman's children when she stole money from them. (Where is your outrage about that?) Now, quite possilbly, she may still have a day in court that will address these thefts - and perhaps it will result in more than probation. My hostility comes from the fact that aI doubt that will happen because her daddy is a judge & they protect their own - a 'perk' that the average person doesn't get. IF she was not a judge's daughter, and a black female lawyer, she'd be getting disbarred - that is not 'picking on her' - it is a fact. If you doubt this, take some time & read the Canons of Law that attorneys & judges are supposed to adhere to.
My hostitlity towards her also extends to her fake abduction, and the fact that she apparently does not have to repay the costs of the efforts to solve her abduction. That is just flat out wrong - it means that our tax dollars have paid for the police manpower for her fantasy, because she was having a 'bad day'. And, that 'bad day' was not just hormonal, or caused by ordinary events - it was caused by the hell she created by ripping off clients & knowing she was getting caught. She made her bed & freaked out over how it was made. I assume she didn't fake her abduction for sympathy originally - perhaps she originally planned to just run away, start a new identity, hide - and realized (as a lawyer she'd have to know how difficult that would be) she had to figure out a way to cover her ass. The fact that she was pregnant was irrelevent to any of it - but it sure gained her lots of sympathy. Try to erase the fact she was pregnant, erase the fact she's a black woman - pretend for a minute she was a white male attorney who pilfered clients funds. Would you be rallying for his behalf?
Mainly, I am just sick to death of people employed in positions that imply a degree of trust, working & milking & perverting the system to suit them. I am sick of them getting away with crap that normal people would not. I think Karyn & her daddy have perverted the judicial system for their own ends. And everytime that happens in this country, it reinforces the idea that many people are already feeling - that he who has the most money, or best connections, gets the most justice. I am sick to death of crooked politicians, lawyers, judges, police - these are people we are supposed to trust - often with out lives. And she helped to pervert that system, and convince the masses a little bit more, that there is no equity in our justice system. This woman absconded (stole) tens of thousands of dollars, faked her abduction, falsely accused 3 innocent people of a crime they could be imprisoned for. My son was imprisoned for 10 years in maximum security prison for the theft of $300. (split four ways). And consider this possibility of how very wrong this could have gone - She gave descriptions of her abductors. Imagine if the police picked up innocent people who happened to match those descriptions, and imagine they had no alibi (who always does?) of where they were - and imagine the possiblitiy of them having to prove they did NOT abduct her? There are people in prison, falsely accused because they could not prove their innocence well enough to go free. She accused two white men & one black woman - imagine if that one black woman ended up in jail wrongly. (I doubt you'd care if it were the white men). Take it one step further - what if that black woman had a child of her own. What happens to her child when mama is in jail because she happened to match the description Karyn gave?
I do understand how stress can put somebody over the edge - most people can. But most people do not take other people down with them. And, karyn's stress was self inflicted - she stole the money.
purnhurt - I told you why I feel hostility towards Karyn. Now, maybe you can tell me why I should feel sorry for her. I think you overreacted about comments about her child. Nobody here has ill will about her children - her children are innocents. The comments made about them, were simply because her children had nothing to do with this. Karyn's pregnancy got her pity - and I don't think it should. You tell me, what her pregnancy had to do with any of it. You may say it doesn't, but Karyn milked it for all it was worth. She prostituted her unborn child to save her ass.
If the criminal is black, they get a pass. Reverse discrimination at its finest.
"If the criminal is black, they get a pass."
Tell that to all the blacks on Death Row. See how many agree.
She got a free pass BECAUCE 'JUDGE' ALLEN McCONNELL IS HER FATHER. He is in the power structure of Unholy Toledo.
No other rheason.
You misread. Has nothing to do with death row, it has to do with the fact that Twyla refuses to give any accountability to black offenders.
You were changing her name from "purnhrt" to "Purehate".
What is a purnhrt, anyway ?
Do you think that a lot of her hate stems from her unhappiness with herself ?
An inner dissatisfaction that she flings outward to other people, especially white ones ?
Do you think that a lot of her hate stems from her unhappiness with herself ?
An inner dissatisfaction that she flings outward to other people, especially white ones ?
Yes, I do think that's the case. I try and ignore her racist comments, but I'm not always successful.
And purnhrt, IF Karyn had been made to pay the costs for her 'search' that any other person would have been made to pay, I'd feel less hostile. If she had gotten a sentence that was equitable with anybody else, I"d be less hostile. This has more to do with her judge daddy pulling strings than the color of her skin.
that started the diatribe against purnhrt was that she felt the posters here were hard on kids.
Reading some of the above comments - it'd be pretty hard to come to any other conclusion.
The whole situation is hard to accept for me and it has nothing to do with race. This is a local attorney, who by accounts, has been up to unethical and likely illegal activity in her professional life. I don't know what went on in her personal life but it was enough that she took off and concocted the story of having been abducted. These are not the actions of a well balanced woman.
Now to the comments that her father is a judge. IF that is the case and IF this father thinks that interfering with his child or children having to pay the consequences for their actions is in ANY WAY good parenting - he's grossly misinformed.
People who are serious about parenting hope their children make mistakes and have to pay consequences early in life and in the home. We do not protect the children from the consequences of their actions, we make sure the repercussions are paid. That way they know the rules apply to them and they don't do things like take clients money or lie about where they have been and start a manhunt.
Reviewing what is available about the situation, I suspect that might be what has come to pass in that family.
That, if this is what happened in this case what has been discussed that the father is a judge and has intervened for this woman - the root of this womans' trouble and the fault would lie directly in her fathers hands.
This is how many influential or wealthy people have decided to parent. And it's wrong. It's an abuse to children. No matter what color their skin might be.
So are you saying that her father should be charged with Child Abuse ?
she felt the posters here were hard on kids.
Reading some of the above comments - it'd be pretty hard to come to any other conclusion.
Unless of course, you considered the context of the messages and the vernacular of today's phraseology.
by whom? If there is some kind of bad parenting authority - I have a list!!!!!
The newest addition is the mother who pretended she couldn't hear her child screaming at the top of her lungs in Krogers at Glendale and Detroit on Tuesday. About 3 p.m. I think.
Is this type of cover-up and protectionism par for the course in Toledo ?
I have heard about a "Good-ole-boys network here in this town. Is this what they mean by that ?
Someone told me either you are on the inside or the outside of that network.
I guess KMH and her daddy are on the inside, huh ?
nope, not passing the test.
nice try tho.
For the record, my post about Karyn having twins was only a joke about the circumstances, an attempt to lighten up things. But humor is only as good as its audience, and many of you here are so filled with vitriol that I believe you go the entire day without a smile or a laugh. But in all seriousness, all of us should back off on Karyn. She is a troubled young woman, through no fault of her own, I believe, and her liberties with clients' money was a manifestation of her inner turmoil. We all should hope and pray that she is strong enough to break away from those around her who have brought on her aberrant behavior. And while we do that, let's all try to smile and hope that Karyn experiences the day when she can smile again.
She is a troubled young woman,
Ok, that's good! I actually read it twice before it hit me.
9.5 out of 10 to donwert.
... I do believe she is troubled, and I do believe she should receive sufficient psychological assistance ... AFTER SHE GETS OUT OF PRISON.
I'm sure a few people here on Swampbubbles realize that the world has gone topsy-turvy, in that a person in her position is supposed to be held to a HIGHER standard, which results in HARSHER measures ... NOT more forgiving ones. But there's hope, in my view. There's hope she's convicted of defrauding clients, which certainly breaks her probation, and that means a very large book is heading her painful way.
She occupied a position of privilege. Having abused that position, we are duty-borne to punish her. Hence, that's about the sum and substance of the hostility I carry towards her.
donw said "She is a troubled young woman, through no fault of her own, I believe, and her liberties with clients' money was a manifestation of her inner turmoil. We all should hope and pray that she is strong enough to break away from those around her who have brought on her aberrant behavior. And while we do that, let's all try to smile and hope that Karyn experiences the day when she can smile again." ------------------------------------------I'm sorry, but I have to disagree. Through no fault of her own? Her messes were entirely her own fault, and perhaps living beyond her means so she saw an easy way out by stealing clients funds. I do not believe her stealing this money was a "manifestation of her inner turmoil" at all, but greed & desperation to fix her own financial messes. I'm sure many people are in jail because the crime they commited was directly related to their 'inner termoil' - my son was among them. But he took responsibilty & paid his debt, did his time - he got no favors or special treatment, no 'understanding' of his 'inner termoil'. Our laws are written based upon what the average person would do - and I bet everybody here has had some experience with financial debt & the fear & frustration that goes with it. And yet, the average person does not steal money from clients & does not fake their kidnappings to gain sympathy & excuses.
When Karyn got caught parking in the wrong place, the impression I got of this woman was one of a spoiled, privilaged, arrogant woman who felt her being a lawyer & her daddy being a judge meant she was to be treated more special than the masses. Whether that is how she really is, I don't know - but that is how she presented herself.
purnhrt - you seem to think we're hard on kids, but not really. It's that Karyn's kids were not the issue here. In fact, Karyn's 3 yr old child may think his mom was hard on him when she failed to pick him up at day care. A 3 yr old is at that age where they fear parental abandonment as it is, and he is old enough to see other kids being picked up, old enough to 'catch' that the day care provider is concerned his mom didnt come to pick him up (or her) - highly stressful for any child, even a 3 yr old. That Karyn didn't even drop a clue to somebody her child would need a ride home, spoke volumes about her concern for her kids. Karyn also didn't seem to care that two little boys were possibly living a lesser lifestyle because she absconded their money ($28, 000 I think) that was supposed to have been used for their care. Two little boys who's mom had been killed - and Karyn seemed to think it was 'ok' to rip them off. So purnhrt, if you want to bitch about who cares about kids, maybe you should ask Karyn what her priorities were.
purnhrt - I am really not trying to give you a hard time. But maybe if you explain to us why we should not be feeling a little 'hostile' about Karyn, maybe we could better understand - maybe we're missing something here. You seem to think it's "OK" that she hasn't been made to pay for the search efforts (police pay that tax dollars finance). You seem to think it's "OK" that she got off with a slap on the wrist when anybody else (common man) would have had to pay those costs, at the least. It remains to be seen what happens about the stolen money - technically, she should be disbarred - any other lawyer would get disbarred over stealing a client's money, much less repeated thefts. I imagine there's a lot of angry disbarred lawyers who got disbarred for less who are going to be pretty angry at the inequity if she doesn't. You talk like things should be equal - regardless of race - and yet, you tend to want them slanted if the person is black, and don't seem to 'get' why we think race really should NOT matter - equity for all.
purnhrt - I asked you a simple question about what your thoughts were, about what could have transpired if an innocent man or woman got arrested because they matched Karyn's description of her abductors. Or would they have been fair game to set poor Karyn free? There are people wrongly imprisoned because they 'matched' a description, based on 'witness' reports that were faulty or questionable - but they just couldn't prove their innocence. I am waiting for your response.
seriously - I must be blind - where did purnhrt say anything about this being a racial issue? I think I'm stupid too - how is this is a racial issue at all?
Kateb,
It's racial because Karyn is black, had a law degree, passed the bar and seemed to be on her way to enjoying an economically bountiful life. Lots of whites don't like blacks who surpass them in education, intelligence and income. It's called racism. And when Karyn messed up -- not entirely of her own doing, I still believe -- a lot of whites were ready to jump on her claiming their outrage was anything but race-based. Have you ever noticed the number of white attorneys who have their licenses suspended or pulled because they stole from clients? Probably not. They only make one-column briefs on page 2 of the Blade's second section. With no photos. Karyn is guilty of many things, but racism is very much at play in her case. You can read it and feel it in the many posts above.
I disagree donw - I think it's turned racial because purnhrt made it into a racial thing. I never once thought this mess with karyn had anything to do with her race - not even the stupid parking ticket/attitude thing. It had to do with her own personal arrogance & self importance, and a reliance on her daddy judge who makes things right in her world when she screws up. Of course Karyn created her own damned mess - single handed she did it. How can you say the mess she ended up in was not 'entirely of her own doing'??? Karyn stole money from clients. Karyn faked her abduction & falsely accused others of her abduction - nobody helped her along with any of that. It made the news (where other attorney's may not get the space) only because of her faked kidnapping she'd staged - Karyn created a media circus which then, spotlighted her to others who may otherwise have not noticed or cared. I believe that Tom Noe also had a media circus created around his mis-deeds - and he was white, nothing racial about his deeds at all. It's top-shelf stealing for a lawyer to steal funds from clients - it is grounds for disbarment. I honestly don't know anybody, of any race - who ever felt ill-will towards Karyn being an educated black woman. It was not her race or education that raised ire with people - it was her self important, daddy-save-me, don't you know who I am attitude that helped that along.
When this thead was originally posted, it was more about the outrage that Karyn only got three years probation and was not ordered to pay for the costs of the search. That she probably won't get disbarred for embezzling money from clients. Yes, people are angry about that, because most people know somebody who got worse punishment for less crime, or at least had to make restitution. But it was purnhrt that got riled up & decided this was a racial issue, and demanded to know why we were so 'hostile' to this woman, and got insulted because somebody had asked if her baby had been born yet, and a few jokes were made (because her baby was not at issue, not the point of the thread). purnhrt seemed to think we were angry about Karyn because she is a black woman. and I say her race had nothing to do with it. I have never looked down on anybody because of their race, or resented that they may be more educated than me. But I do resent that karyn seemed to expect special treatment because she is a lawyer & her daddy is a judge. And it appears, that both have earned her special treatment - which is a slap in the face to the common man. Has nothing to do with race.
purnhrt - Still waiting for a response.
And when Karyn messed up -- not entirely of her own doing,
How is KMH's mess "not entirely of her own doing"? Seriously, who else should be up there?
Have you ever noticed the number of white attorneys who have their licenses suspended or pulled because they stole from clients? Probably not. They only make one-column briefs on page 2 of the Blade's second section.
Lets just take a moment and see Don, how much press had her stealing gotten before this fake kidnapping thing? It was NOT front page news. Her thievery was only brought to the front page AFTER she started all this drama.
You're playing this race card when that's just not the case.
From DonWert:Karyn is guilty of many things, but racism is very much at play in her case. You can read it and feel it in the many posts above.
Re-read his posts. He's putting you on, pulling your leg, yanking your chain... in other words, he isn't serious. I almost bit on one of his posts, then I caught myself. He went just a little too far to the left and ended up in the twilight zone.
Now Purnhrt, she's serious. This guy, DonWert, he's fishing.
purnhrt - counting the days here, waiting for a response from you about justifying the potential for jailing innocent people that Karyn claimed kidnapped her - as well as your thoughts on whether Karyn cared a damned about those two little boys she'd stolen money from (who's mom died - black mom, I believe - so this should matter to you); how you can justify how Karyn didn't seem to give a damned about the trauma & stress she put her own 3 yr old child under when nobody came to pick him up at day care. I only ask, because you claim we are hostile about Karyn & children.
and was here when I left after spending 20 minutes
found it odd that she's not posting