Last semester at the University of Toledo and continuing on into this year, one of my history teachers continues to make the argument that Hillary Clinton's candidacy has been doomed from the beginning because she is a woman. I ran into this teacher today and have emailed her now and then regarding this issue, and she still believes Hillary is done and Obama is a shoo-in.
My question and response to her remains women got their full rights in the beginning of the 1900's with African-Americans not really getting full rights until 1964 at the earliest, yet Barack Obama, an African-American, won the Iowa Caucus in a historic victory. Don't women have the jump and advantage on blacks?
Also, after the 2004 Iowa Caucuses, Al Sharpton got 1% and the laments were heard that America isn't ready for a black candidate. However, Obama just won in Iowa with over 90% of Dem voters being white.
Is this all just an issue of being the right candidate and what one stands for, and not just about color or gender?
Is Hillary doomed due to womanhood?
By Thomas - Posted on January 7th, 2008
i'm not going to vote for her because i think there are better candidates out there. it has nothing to do with her being a woman. i would vote for a woman if she shared the same veiws, much like i would with a man.
Personally, I don't think a candidate is doomed soley on the basis of their gender or race, but rather one factor which may doom a candidate is whether or not he/she has the most credibility with the voters. Voter's only vote for candidates that are believeable (which is rooted in their backgrounds and past actions).
That of course raises the question of what the criteria of believability is or should be. What makes one candidate more believable than another candidate? Could it be that it's their abilitiy to tell the truth?
Maybe, probably, but not necessarily because it's possible for someone to be truthful, yet fail to be convincing. Conversely, it 's possible for someone to be lying through their teeth, yet be quite convincing. Ideally, in a perfect world there'd be a candidate who would be both truthful as well as persuassive.
The bottom line is that each individual voter must be responsible and decide for himself/herself. according to his own conscience.
Hillary Clinton will Not win this race. Not because she is a woman, but because she is just the same ole same ole! The Clinton's come with way to much baggage! Murder cover up in the White House, and all the other scams and cover up's!
She is not so smart. She has not done a thing for our country. And we are now in a post Clinton era! Thank God !
I would love the opportunity to vote for a female president, but no way in hell would I ever vote for Hillary. I know many other people who feel the same way.
Her gender isn't what's dooming her - its the fact that she's such a polarizing political figure. You either love her or you hate her.
I wouldn't want to have to listen to her shrill, fishwife voice for 4 years. I'd imagine that a lot of men won't vote for her because she'd remind them of a shrewish ex-wife. I simply don't trust Hillary - but it has nothing to do with the fact that she's a woman. Also, Hillary didn't even know what her husband was up to all those years - so how is she supposed to know what is going on in the country & the world? I also don't know if I trust Obama - he seems a bit too slick.
DUNCAN, RON, or FRED in '08!!
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"They keep talking about drafting a constitution for Iraq.Why don't we give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, and we're not using it any more".
It is not because she is a woman, it is because she represents a very bad era in American politics. She is not presidential material and her bringing Bill out to save her shows her how desperate she is and reminds everyone how bad he was. The people close to Bill say he is a rock star, but most Americans know he is very lame. Deep down I want her to win because she will ensure that she loses in the final election. I wish Condi Rice would have ran. I would have voted for her. She is head and shoulders above Clinton. For your teacher to say that, she is just trying to make people feel bad for not voting for her.
With Rice's part in the Iraq debacle and her loyalty to many things now seen as false, would she, or could she, lead us further down a road of confrontation or one of cooperation?
I wish Colin Powell would run for president - I'd vote for him in a minute.
Billy Boy is a rock star, all right. He'll show you. Pass him the shooter.
Don't worry, he doesn't inhale.
I wonder if her chain-jerking, ummm, I mean tear-jerking campaign stop will help her.
Clinton (NAC)
Hilary will win a few states yet, but no Clintons or Bushes will win anymore elections.
Watching the video of her speaking to people, cannot help but wonder if she had a Howard Dean moment, sans the scream.
it might show she has compassion. she comes across like a cold bitch. although, i'm still not voting for her. :)
I was at speedway the other day and I saw a bumper sticker that said FUHRC. I didnt understand it so I ignored it. But then when I was leaving the owner of the car was out there talking to someone he knew - I almost blew coffee out my nose when I overheard him tell the guy, "I'll give you a hint - the R is for Rodham!"
I'd bet lunch for a week that you'll NEVER find anyone who'll say "I'd vote for Hillary if she wasnt a woman..."
I don't think Hillary likes small states. Watch her camp continue to bash the Democratic primaries of small state lead-offs.
First of all, Obama or McCain. I'll be upfront.
Second of all, you would never get an honest answer to your question. Or perhaps, never a true answer is more accurate. Bias and prejudice is rarely the overt, hate-spewing stuff many think about. It happens in millions of little decisions that are made all the time. People don't come out and say "I don't think a woman is capable of this," or are probably even aware that their conscious brain does a lot of filtering and applies different standards to different people based on tons of different subtle (and not-so-subtle) characteristics. It's a fact. Just switching names on nearly identical applications leads to different responses. Tenure committees have frequently applied different standards to female than male candidates.
I would say that the largest bit of evidence that there is a a strong, overt bias in our country to having an African-American or female president is that there hasn't been one yet, and not close by a longshot (until this election). And any cries of "There hasn't been the right candidate" rings hollow ~ you're telling me that in the past 100 years there haven't been ANY viable candidates? Or that the odds of securing successful funding and endorsement have precluded any serious run...
Now is it coincidence that the first real contenders appear in the democratic as opposed to the republican party?
As a republican I don't buy into the "Hilary is the devil incarnate" rhetoric. I made the mistake of doing the same thing with Bill and truthfully his presidency wasn't that bad. If she wins I don't think the world will end. In fact I think she may be effective but not the best leader out there. I do think her negative numbers may keep her from being prez and not her gender.
Truthfully this election I don't think any of the truly viable candidates will do a bad job.
Obama - I think he really believes what he is saying. He may be a little naive but if he surrounds himself with good people then he'll be fine.
Romney - Could run the country fiscally. I don't think he will be able to win the general population because he only won one race against an incumbant who was fatally flawed.
Guiliani - Cleaned up NY! That was a feat in it of itself. However he has a violatile personal life and needs to get more in touch with the values voters.
Huckabee - He's religious beliefs don't necessarily mesh with mine however he's VERY likeable. He won over my wife who was a picture perfect liberal.
McCain - I don't know if he can win because of his age but he's got more experience and more leadership than anyone else running. If his campaign lasts long enough he could end up as a very qualified secretary of state or defense. However if he makes it to the end of the primary I have no doubt he'll announce Lieberman as a running mate and he'd then beat out every D and R running.
Thompson - I think he's just trying to be an issue candidate and make the field more conservative. I don't think he really wants nor can win the primary. I think he could make Guiliani or Romney look more conservative as a running mate which could help them with the parties bases especially if this long election season takes it's toll on the independent electorate.
Edwards - He couldn't bring him his home state in a very divisive election before so I don't think he'll even get a serious look after Super Tuesday.
All the others Kucinich, Paul, Richardson, and Hunter I don't think have a snowballs chance in hell at this point and quite frankly most of them scare me as candidates. They will only win over fringe voters.
BTW it's good to be back.
MikeyA