English: A Serious political thread on our Idiocracy

If you can't take strong opinions then I kindly encourage you to forego this posting. Some of you may call it elite; I think that it

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U stipud som of a bicht. Hwo daer U clal me dmub. Jsut cuase I gots D's in hi skool anglish dont make me stipud.

Holy crap, Edward Norton's schizophrenic alter-ego lives. Hey Tyler Durden, what's the first rule of fight club?

"Is it because they don

Tyler, if you live in a glass house, don't throw stones.

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Change "elite" to "elitism". Elite is an adjective, elitism is the noun which is needed here.

Rewrite "I think that... ignorant mass". Clumsy sentence. It should read, "I think that attitude has resulted in..."

Incorrect tense use of "lead"; it should read "led" to be a parallel construction with "resulted" and "appointed".

Etc., etc. I think you get the idea.

...makes typos on such boards...sometimes you catch them and sometimes you don't - especially when you're really frustrated or angry about an issue.

However, in line with the post, there was reference here or on Toledo Talk that not everyone should have their opinion counted...something along the lines of why we think individuals who don't know who the vice president is, for example, would have an informed opinion about foreign policy issues. Couldn't find the post, but would love to have the referenced study/article to save...

I think if tyler is so offended by the random typo that may occur on these boards, he should avoid them. These boards are not intended to be exhibits in excellent grammer, spelling, etc. (At least I think they're not, if I am wrong, please advise me.) I tend to think these boards are for a community of people/citizens to discuss, debate or simply yammer on about different topics. And yes, sometimes the fingers on the keyboard move a bit quicker than the brain. And yes, sometimes, people are also in the midst of several other tasks on their computer or home (some perhaps with kids bitching about something in the background, or a pot ready to boil over, etc.) and they sometimes don't take the time to proofread or use spellcheck. While I personally do appreciate good grammer & spelling (and have 3 very intelligent kids who are excellent examples) - I do not make that more important than the thoughts of another human being making a comment on these boards. I also don't believe that a perfect speller or english user is the only one with a valid thought or idea. My grandfather had to quit school in the 7th grade - self educated by reading an entire set of encyclopedias - was one of the most facinating, informed people I'd ever known - but his spelling & grammer left something to be desired. I've also known a few people with little education (or had it but didn't use it) & had some of the most interesting ideas & thoughts. Just as I've known MANY well educated, well grammered/spellers who were total idiots. Oh, they could say what they thought in very proper English - but what they said wasn't worth hearing. Anybody who'd bitch about a typo or random bad grammer mistake here, is probably the same type of snob who'd smirk at somebody who's shoes aren't quite new & shiny enough. I have no use for snobs - grammer snobs or otherwise. Perhaps Tyler's time would be better spent revising wikipedia.

... who cannot even take the time to properly form a sentence and spell correctly?

Mr. Durden, what happen to: "No fear. No distractions. The ability to let that which does not matter truly slide."?

As long as the point of the poster is understood, why worry about some punctuation problems, verb tense changes, point of view changes, spelling, and dangling participles?

If we're talking about Wikipedia-type articles of info where multiple people can collaborate on the article, then fine, the article should adhere to basic writing standards.

But message board and blog threads usually discuss a current event, and they're fast moving. The lifetime of such discussions are typically measured in hours or a few days. By the time someone spends a ton of time editing a post or getting someone else to proofread their post, the discussion has fizzled out, and everyone has moved on to some other topic.

The Internet gives everyone a voice, including amateurs. It's not the realm of professional writers who may have an editor available. I realize that some in society are frightened by how easy the Internet lowers the barrier for anyone to be published. And you've always got the freedom to ignore clunky writing.

Debate the poster's opinion on an issue. Bringing up punctuation, spelling, and grammar is a diversionary tactic. Mr. Durden, I don't see your opinion on this subject as an elitist maneuver, but more of an attempt to control and limit the discussion. Then again, maybe that's what elitists want to do.

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else. You're the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world." - Words to live by from the real Tyler Durden. Elitists are not special.

(Side thought: Mr. Durden could be yanking our yokes with this flame-bait type posting to see how many of us chime in.)

If we can not disfavor individuals who haven

I say toh-mah-toh, you say toh-may-toh, you say poh-tah-to, I say poh-tay-toh :)

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

English might now be

Old South End Broadway

You will never see me cast English and grammar stones ;)

We all make mistakes. As long as if there is a point people can see the meanings.

As I said before: Spelling and English mistakes happen because even the English superhero historymike has been seen to cough up some serious English gaffs. If historymike is fallible, then there is not much hope for us mere mortals.

When I read the first paragraph of Tyler's thread, I assumed it was referring to Jack Fords so called resume for the School Board. When I read the replies, I had to reread his post. I wonder if this is not a test. We won't except the way he wrote his resume, but we will except our own bad writing skills. But we are not applying for a job here.

How Important Is Proper Grammar And Word Usage To Effective Communication?

Blogs And Other Informal Writing
While I do think it important to fix grammatical errors, I

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

Damnit, a typo. Sorry Krazy. WTF, I'm writing in fragments again. Tyler, you've got me all screwed up.

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Or rather...

According to a researcher (sic) at Cambridge University, it doesn't matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only important thing is that the first and last letter be at the right place. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it without problem. This is because the human mind does not read every letter by itself but the word as a whole.

Mark Twain hardly ever followed proper English rules...and he is considered a genius.

You people are better than cable sometimes..lol

Cable has some great tv - I can't bash cable. I"d much prefer to watch the Discovery, Learning, A & E, court tv, etc. channels on cable than basic non cable tv. Isn't the Cobert Report a cable channel? I love that show - learn a lot, and funny.

I believe the Old South tried to restrict certain voters by instituting literacy and knowledge tests as a condition for voting. Those laws were struck down by the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

The real Tyler Durden never said anything.

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"When I say your dumb name, please stand up briefly, but then quickly drop to your knees and forsake all others before me." -Ignignokt

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Chris, as a school board candidate, would you cast stones against a teacher who does not promote proper grammar and spelling?

Damnit, I did it again. "You've got" is redundant. I'm so lost. Please save me Tyler. Please.

I often discover I made a spelling error after I hit publish then I edit. I probably don't use proper grammar at times either and sometimes I mess up affect and effect... Thanks KrazyKat, now I feel better.

:-)

We don't remember days only moments...

beuasce I was albe to raed the etnrie praarhgpah fulnelty the frsit tmie trhuogh.

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

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That's why I don't have cable.

:-)

We don't remember days only moments...

Might as well make this topic worth something to talk about (sorry for the fragment Tyler).

After what I experenced from Lt. Shane, of the Almighty English Typo Police Squad, I can safely presume he's working himself to a frothy mess with this thread.

What I really regret is allowing that hypocrite to get on my nerve. So now I'm stalkin him. Grow up fruit loop.

Every one of us is guilty of sloppy typing. It's the composition of the posts and the failure to create a theatre properly to express one's views to have conjured the effect of the intention for the reader to grasp seems to be the problem I have.

Take Purnhrt for example. Purnhrt likes to find the race card in posts directly affecting her. When she's called on the carpet concerning her intentions of her comments, as blatent as they are, she double steps and tried to convince that everyone else is a racist and are out to get her.

Get past learning to type and try to learn how to draw.

Lete me rephrase in proper english. I might as well make this topic worth something about which to talk. I think I conveyed the message more effectively the first time around. Damnit, I ended another sentence with a preposition. Let me try again. I did it again, damnit. Okay, here I go: The first time around, I conveyed the message more effectively.

Lete
hehehe!

If man has no tea in him, he is incapable of understanding truth. ~Japanese Proverb

Yes

Teachers are paid to do be correct. The same as editors or lawyers are paid to have good English skills. If it is a job specification, then they should be judged on it. I think Tyler was referring to Chad, and I repeat since "Super Duper Englishman historymike" makes mistakes, we are all doomed.

Good answer Chris. Damnit, that wasn't a full sentence either. I'm not going to sleep tonight.

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