High Court sides with Guantanamo detainees again
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that foreign terrorism suspects held at Guantanamo Bay have rights under the Constitution to challenge their detention in U.S. civilian courts.
In its third rebuke of the Bush administration's treatment of prisoners, the court ruled 5-4 that the government is violating the rights of prisoners being held indefinitely and without charges at the U.S. naval base in Cuba. The court's liberal justices were in the majority.
Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for the court, said, "The laws and Constitution are designed to survive, and remain in force, in extraordinary times."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCOTUS_GUANTANAMO?SITE=AP&SECTION...
Let them have their day in court already. It's What Jesus Would Do. I just don't want my tax money to pay for a public defender. Let their home countries provide funds or attorneys.
I just don't want my tax money to pay for a public defender
And if they pick you up off the street, and hold you in Guantanamo with no rights and without charging you with anything, then I don't want my tax money to pay for your lawyer either.
I don't want my tax money to pay for your lawyer either.
Pink_Slip, you don't have any tax money. George spent it all on the war, remember?
I'm a tax paying US citizen. They are not. Got it? Knee-jerk reactionist liberal.
You wouldn't be the first American held in Guantanamo. But thanks for calling me a liberal. I do believe in protecting civil liberties.
I hope now our right to bear arms will be affirmed by the same judges who held the bill in such high esteem. And I'm pretty sure other countries seeing how well our system of government operates will now treat our prisoners with the same level of jurisprudence. No more beheadings.
Which countries are beheading our prisoners?
Btw--I agree with your 2nd Amendment comment
This is one of your problem Fred (and lots of other Conservatives as well); you don’t think we’re better then our enemy. I think we’re a lot better. We have better ideas, we have better government and we treat our enemies better (or rather should).
Conservatives would have us become our enemies, to shred the United States Constitution and our freedoms to become no better then enemy we fight.
The only amendments the Conservatives care about is the 2nd amendment and have gladly given up or weakened the 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments in the name of security.
Every time Bush says “Islamic terrorists” the first things Conservatives to after changing their shit filled pants, is to try to pass some law weakening the Constitution and take away our freedoms.
You support civil liberties? That so? All Civil Liberties? I'll have to remember that.
Supporting civil liberties with publicly funded Defense Attorneys is fine and dandy if you are a US Citizen.
Please name the detainees/prisoners at Guantanemo Bay that are US Citizens. I'm not being sarcastic here. I'm not aware of any and I'm willing to bet that most of America isn't aware of any either. If there are some American citizens in there that haven't had a trial or any representation, I'd like to know so I can write my Congresswoman and Senators a few letters asking why.
BTW- Did you happen to read my whole post or just did ya just glean out a portion to start a fight as usual?
"Let their home countries provide funds or attorneys."
And being disrespectful by twisting my userid the way you did when you addressed me just shows your lack of character. Grow up.
Yes 1derfully, I support ALL of the Bill of Rights---every single one of them.
Please name the detainees/prisoners at Guantanemo Bay that are US Citizens
Yaser Hamdi. Although I don't believe he is there anymore. The point is, YOU as a US citizen, can be picked up and detained without being charged. So by all means, call your Congresswoman.
I got it now PInk. they guys beheading people are not part of any country but the guys we hold in Gitmo should be afforded the rights reserved for our citizens? I understand now, and it's no suprise you disagree with the 2nd amendment
they (sic) guys beheading people are not part of any country but the guys we hold in Gitmo should be afforded the rights reserved for our citizens?
Yeah, the Bill of Rights are a tricky thing to get around.
and it's no suprise you disagree with the 2nd amendment
Actually, I fully agree with the 2nd Amendment. Where did I say i didn't?
it will be interesting to find out, and hope we do find out, how many of the detainees at Guantanamo are actually 'bad guys' and in league with those who beheaded Americans in Iraq. As opposed to those who were rounded up based on the false testimony of snitches trying to cut a deal for themselves or otherwise trying to curry favor with U.S. military.
It's also pretty funny how some don't want American taxpayer money spent on lawyers for some of these guys but evidently have no problem with the $528 billion- and-counting taxpayer bill for this bullshit war.
FYI: I'm not one of those Americans that has no problem with the war, so I hope you weren't talking about me.
because although I understand your viewpoint, it seems to me taking a stand on who pays for the representation for these people pales so greatly compared to the financial, not to mention, human, sacrifice the American people/taxpayer have already footed (and will continue to foot for how many decades?) for this debacle.
Maybe the U.N. can help pay for this? (waiting for the laughter to die down).
McCaskey, I commented on the content of the thread which is talking about how the Supreme Court granted Constitutional rights to the Gitmo prisoners. If this were a thread about the cost of the war in Iraq, I would have chosen (or not) to take a stand on that issue.
Let them have their day in court already. It's What Jesus Would Do. I just don't want my tax money to pay for a public defender. Let their home countries provide funds or attorneys.
You seemed to reluctantly go along with the decision, but the issue with you appeared to be about the money spent on defense attorneys and who was paying it .
At this point in the game that seems trivial to me, but then again I think there's linkage to damn near everything war-on-terror related. Detainees at Gitmo are there because of the war on terror. We've spent billions on invading and occupying Iraq because of the war on terror.
Maybe that's just me.
a U.S. Judge has been exposed for having images of people having sex with farm animals on his web site. When asked about it...he said he didnt think such images were obscene. These are the types of people presiding over our land. Perverted sickos who are so filled with liberalism...that they give terrorists protection under our constitution and think sex with farm animals is not obscene.
Our liberal justice system lacks wisdom and discernment. Like all liberals, relativism rules the day...and common sense is dead.
Too funny...the Judge was a Republican appointed by Regan in 1985... Pretty much sums up conservative values for me.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-me-kozinski12-2008jun1...
In Kooz's eyes, everyone except the extreme right is a liberal.
to join in on the laughter. Nice catch Sensor.
He was named chief judge of the 9th Circuit last year and is considered a judicial conservative on most issues. He was appointed to the federal bench by President Reagan in 1985.
"you don’t think we’re better then our enemy. I think we’re a lot better. We have better ideas, we have better government and we treat our enemies better"
Translation: "When I was in kindergarten and all the other kids beat me up, I just let them. And since I let them, they kept beating me up until I turned into this whimpy excuse for humanity. I just calmly asked about their relationship with their mommy while they were kicking the crap out of me because I understand that talking calmly to psychotic suicidal maniacs will eventually make then regain sanity. But for some reason, I lost alot of lunch money and after years of therapy, I still do not respect myself."
"Conservatives would have us become our enemies, to shred the United States Constitution and our freedoms to become no better then enemy we fight."
Translation: My keepers in the Democratic Party have ordered me to forget that the great and wonderful leader, Bill Clinton, was the one who started Echelon which we have been ordered to call the "Bush domestic spying program". I have also been brainwashed by the "mainstream" media to FORGET about the Feb. 27th, 2000 story on 60 Minutes about THE NSA SPYING PROBE
"While the agency does not confirm the existence of the Echelon spy network, which a recent report to the European Parliament said can intercept phone calls, e-mail and other communications, the French government, European Union and other world governments have raised international angst over the possibility that everyday people are being spied upon for US intelligence gathering."
http://www.computeruser.com/newstoday/00/02/29/news18.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/24/60minutes/main164651.shtml
http://www.cbsnews.com/forward/www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2000/0228/web-NS...
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/02/biztech/articles/24spy.html
"Every time Bush says “Islamic terrorists” the first things Conservatives to after changing their shit filled pants, is to try to pass some law weakening the Constitution and take away our freedoms"
Translation: "Every time AlGore says "Global Warming", or "hole in the Ozone layer" or "overpopulation" or "alar on apples", I piss my panties and give away another part of the American Economy to France since I want to be a French panty wearing wimp when I grow up, that is IF I grow up.
My masters in the Democratic Party told me so and since I love the group/union mentality and cannot think for myself, I do what my masters tell me to do.
Libs, you always represent your side masterfully. They're lucky to have you.
Too funny BlowMe
I love when conservatives argue… they can’t win on issues, so they always take the low road.
BTW Echelon was developed in the early sixties… but don't let facts get in your way.
turn your boldface off. Can't you do anything right?
...at least try and learn what they are before you make yourself look like more of a damn fool SensorG.
IF you would have bothered to look at the links I so convinently supplied in the hopes of enlightening you mindless Democrat robots, you would have noticed some facts about Echelon.
1) "...Echelon had been set up as a military system, dating originally from 1948" Hmm, that would have been under DEMOCRAT President Harry Truman, right?
Reference http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/02/biztech/articles/24spy.html
2) "Everywhere in the world, every day, people's phone calls, emails and faxes are monitored by Echelon, a secret government surveillance network. No, it's not fiction straight out of George Orwell's 1984. It's reality, says former spy Mike Frost in an interview broadcast on 60 Minutes on Sunday, Feb. 27. "
Correct me if I am wrong, but who was president on Feb 27th of 2000? WHAT! Another Democrat named Bill Clinton?
Reference http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/24/60minutes/main164651.shtml
3) AND ACCORDING TO NOTED HISTORIAN SENSORG "BTW Echelon was developed in the early sixties… but don't let facts get in your way."
Now who was president in the early 60's? Would that have been DEMOCRAT John Kennedy -OR- Democrat Lyndon Johnson?
So a Democrat STARTED the domestic spying program in 1948, one of two Democrats expanded the program in the 60's and finally 60 Minutes did an entire show on the domestic spying program in Feb of 2000 when ANOTHER Democrat was president.
And you lying sacks of $hit never said a word about supporting the Bill of Rights when you and your kind were wiping your asses with it.
If you Democratic ass kissers were quiet then, what makes you think that America CARES what you think about it now?
Wow - you are an angry, angry man. You need to get out of your parent's basement and live a little.
How am I a liar? You said "Bill Clinton, was the one who started Echelon"
I pointed out the Echelon existed long Bill Clinton was president, you then quote a bunch of stuff that proves you wrong and I'm "a lying sack of shit". I will never understand the conservative mind.
I got one conservative trying to prove that liberals are a bunch of "animal lovers" by pointing to a Republican judge appoint by Reagan on another Thread. I have you calling me a liar by quoting the exact text that proves me right (Clinton did not create Echelon).
Please explain how my complete opposition to the Patriot Act is "wiping my ass on the Bill of rights"?
I'm sure you can enlighten me more seething wit...
We've been through this before. Echelon was established to spy on foreign corporations. And it was done in FULL compliance with the FISA court. President GW is the first president to use this program against his own citizens WITHOUT getting warrants from the FISA courts. So why do you keep repeating the same lies?
My god man.
No wonder it is SO easy to control you mindless Democrap robots.
READ THE FRIKIN LINKS I SO CONVINENTLY SUPPLIED FOR YOU. Your active ignorance is almost laughable.
Regarding the 60 Minutes segment on Feb. 27, 2000 when Bubba Clinton was in office.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/02/24/60minutes/main164651.shtml
"As an example of those innocent people, Frost cites a woman whose name and telephone number went into the Echelon database as a possible terrorist because she told a friend on the phone that her son had "bombed" in a school play. "The computer spit that conversation out. The analystwas not too sure what the conversation was referring to, so, erring on the side of caution, he listed that lady," Frost recalls. "
Sounds like your boy BUBBA was "the first president to use this program against his own citizens WITHOUT getting warrants from the FISA courts."
Yet, even after being provided with references to the facts I cite, your active ignorance makes you lap up the DNC talking points the way a dog eats it's own vomit.
Do YOU even read your own links? The quote from the story is attributed to Mike Frost, a former Canadian intelligence agent. So are you saying that the Canadians were working for Clinton to spy on us??? HAHAAHHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHA
Seriously though, CIA director George Tenet testified before Congress on 4/12/00 and said this:
I’m here today to discuss specific issues about and allegations regarding Signals Intelligence activities and the so-called Echelon Program of the National Security Agency…
There is a rigorous regime of checks and balances which we, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the FBI scrupulously adhere to whenever conversations of U.S. persons are involved, whether directly or indirectly. We do not collect against U.S. persons unless they are agents of a foreign power as that term is defined in the law. We do not target their conversations for collection in the United States unless a FISA warrant has been obtained from the FISA court by the Justice Department.
According to wikipedia:
"It has been alleged that in 2002 the Bush Administration extended the ECHELON program to domestic surveillance"
I’m not saying that Clinton didn’t use it domestically. We don’t have any proof that he did. He certainly didn’t publicly advocate that Americans need to give up their right to privacy and the government needed to be able to conduct warrantless searches at will, like Bush has wanted.
Bush’s argument is that if we don’t give up our right, we’ll die to Islamic Terrorist.
…I’ll wait while you change you’re shitty pants…Sorry I try not to use the term to often, I know it scares the shit out of conservatives. You’re probably calling Voinovich right now demanding that he vote to shred the constitution even more.
Lastly - Frost was a spy working for the Canadian Spy agency, he’s not an American. We don’t even know if his example referred to an American or Canadian.
Either way, I’ll go on record saying that Clinton was wrong if he used it domestically.