I thought Farmers were Republican? Well I guess you can't fool all the people all the time!

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That's because they get so much free junk and subsidies they have been bought off by the Demoncrats! Farms are so heavily subsidized by the tax payer it's pathetic! Of course they vote democrat, that's who bribes them, just like teachers.

Mr. Apathy

Always good to know who you are backing-
The National Family Farm Coalition, a North American member of La Via Campesina, the international peasants movement.

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Having a full-time, non-pensioned job eliminated. I was informed in a memo that I could apply for part-time work. Whoo hoo! What, eight bucks an hour? A new "corporate structure," I was told. So I'm fucked. Too old and too white for any real job prospects. Meanwhile, my car is still in the shop, having had its roof crushed by a falling, ice-laden tree limb (at my former place of employment). I slipped on ice while trying roll out the city of Toledo's motherfucking garbage carts. Smashed my glasses as my head hit the asphalt. I do not like Fred. He knows he is paid well to say outrageous and contentious things. But I like Wolfman even less. From what I gather, his name is Paul, he is a UAW retiree and he lives in Whiteford Township or thereabouts. Facing financial oblivion, I can't help but be pissed off picturing this fat motherfucker kicking back in a Stratolounger that was paid for in part by me. Sorry for ranting. Just needed to release. Driving my loaner down to Wal-Mart now to see if I can become a greeter.

I wish peace and prosperity for all.

It's called "deflation", Don. Downsize your lifestyle or suffer. You can make it well enough on $8/hr if you had done the sensible thing and obtained housing that's cheap, and use utilities sparingly, and you avoided the SUV Sucker Trap, and you didn't act like a bank for adult children who also crossed those lines.

If you're some guy in his 50s or 60s and have a mortgage, then you're a fool. Time to mail in the keys and walk away. Or you could just sit here on a message board for years, denying the truth and delaying the inevitable. I'm thinking you're going to choose option #2. Many people have, and many people will. That's why this Second Great Depression will be longer and deeper than the first one. We're still deep in the DENIAL stage of the cycle of boom and bust.

Ah, ranting is good. Thanks for the opportunity.

You missed one option. Republicans typically think the way you do. It's a mistake I used to make before I learned how to think like a leach, I MEAN Democrat..

Your options are:
1) Time to mail in the keys and walk away
2) sit here on a message board for years, denying the truth and delaying the inevitable.

But Donnie-boy and his crybaby Union owners in the Democratic party will take option #3
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3) WAIT UNTIL MOMMY GUBBERMENT BAILS OUT THEIR SORRY ASSES, buys their votes, makes them dependent on the tit of the Democrap Party and tacks the cost on to responsible taxpayers.

All the while blaming Republicans for their stupid mistakes.

There is something I'd like to point out to those on SB who think Conservatives are "racists".

Donnie-boy says he is "Too old and too white for any real job prospects." I wonder what that means?

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Well, Donnie-boy and you are probably in for a big surprise, as the bailouts are specifically targeted for the bankers and investors, not the shlubs and sad-sacks who are tasked to pay monthly on those mortgages.

True, the ultimate sucker is the taxpayer, since he can't avoid paying. Even if he did avoid it, it's limited what he can avoid, and the government borrows hugely to ensure he'll have to pay more anyway. But everyone else can avoid it. Hence, Donald there either walks away or overpays for decades.

35 years of hard work and sweat shop labor earned my pension. While working in 120 degree heat I saw many who dropped by the way side. Couldn't hang made other choices in life. Some worked out others not. We earned that pension jealousy will get you nowhere only bitterness.

I feel for anyone who loses their job. Why the hell do I give a damn and post all this Shit about the greedy bastards who ruined our economy. Sorry Don I feel for you and all the other millions who've lost their middle class existence.

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Sweatshops are illegal.

CLOSE JEEP NOW! lol

"We earned that pension jealousy will get you nowhere only bitterness." Ah so it's pension jealousy that causes everyone to be against unions. Got it.

"Why the hell do I give a damn and post all this Shit about the greedy bastards who ruined our economy." Greedy bastards who ruined the economy? Do you mean the car companies and the UAW who got a bailout to keep their high pensions so the rest of us can be jealous?

Fact is the bailouts of the car companies did not help the car companies. They're still building cars the public doesn't want. Buy the Leaf over the Volt it's a better deal!

Yet they took up a lot of funding that COULD have been used to back the public workers. Now the cookie jar is empty and either governments declare bankruptcy or public unions give consolations. They will lose their benefits or their jobs so you could keep your "middle class existence".

MikeyA

"The cookie jar is empty" from the waste and fraud of spending $550 billion a year on the military. Billions go unaccounted for and all we do is look at the public spending. Fraud is rampant in the military but no one is doing any serious investigating or accounting. A simple search on google will bring up countless examples but nooo we go after those that cannot stand up to the systemic fraud and waste.
http://www.ng.mil/news/archives/2010/11/110110-Guard.aspx

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Nice try dogboy...But Oh-dumba pisssed a trillion bucks up against the wall in a failedstimulas package....more money than the entire cost of the Iraq war...

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Little-known fact: Obama's failed stimulus program cost more than the Iraq war
By: Examiner Staff Writer 08/23/10 3:00 AM

The Washington Examiner

.Expect to hear a lot about how much the Iraq war cost in the days ahead from Democrats worried about voter wrath against their unprecedented spending excesses.

The meme is simple: The economy is in a shambles because of Bush's economic policies and his war in Iraq. As American Thinker's Randall Hoven points out, that's the message being peddled by lefties as diverse as former Clinton political strategist James Carville, economist Joseph Stiglitz, and The Nation's Washington editor, Christopher Hayes.

The key point in the mantra is an alleged $3 trillion cost for the war. Well, it was expensive to be sure, in both blood and treasure, but, as Hoven notes, the CBO puts the total cost at $709 billion. To put that figure in the proper context of overall spending since the war began in 2003, Hoven provides this handy CBO chart showing the portion of the annual deficit attributable to the conflict:

More:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/little-known-fa...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Ha

Ha! Your link leaves very little to supporting your claim of 550 billion of fraud and waste in the military. In fact, you cite ONLY the national guard. Are you aware that the National Guard also falls under the DHS and your article doesn't state where this money goes to.

Your 550 Billion figure is in fact not waste it is the total budget. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#By_ser...

So let's say military 10% of the budget is waste (doubtful) that means 55 billion is wasted. Now I'm all for cutting waste but even that number matches "General Motors alone is estimated to have lost $51 billion in the three years before the 2008 financial crisis began. GM is set to reacquire factories from its Delphi subsidiary during its Chapter 11 restructing." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry_crisis_of_2008%E2%80%93... and how much is GM worth? 50 billion AT BEST. http://www.boston.com/business/articles/2010/11/03/with_ipo_ahead_how_mu...

Keep in mind we're just talking GM here. We haven't even gotten to Chrysler.

So who should get the money a company who doesn't sell cars or the government entity which can prosecute the offenders?

And some of the "waste" you mention technically isn't waste. For instance in my own Marine Corps we lost the EFV which is now listed as "waste" but really isn't waste at all because it's a valid need and the program should not have been canceled.

MikeyA

27 July 2010

US 'fails to account' for Iraq reconstruction billions
A US military helicopter flies over Baghdad (October 2007) Billions have gone to rebuild Iraq but much of the money is impossible to trace, says a US audit

A US federal watchdog has criticised the US military for failing to account properly for billions of dollars it received to help rebuild Iraq.

The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction says the US Department of Defence is unable to account properly for 96% of the money.

Out of just over $9bn (£5.8bn), $8.7bn is unaccounted for, the inspector says.

The US military said the funds were not necessarily missing, but that spending records might have been archived.

In a response attached to the report, it said attempting to account for the money might require "significant archival retrieval efforts". (MORE)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10774002

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Ok there are some problems with your post vice your original post.

First you said 550 billion was wasted.

Ok this cites between 8 and 9 billion from 2004 to 2007. So that's about 2 to 3 billion a year. Which is way less than the 10% I assumed.

Additionally your article states that while it's unaccounted for that it may not be waste.

From what I now know of government contracts in wartime areas (which is more than I ever have wanted to know) I know that sometimes the accounting can get murky especially when a General says "get it done" and that environment is not exactly the best for accounting.

It could be as simple as a changeover in contractors didn't mean not all documents were exchanged. I faced that as well with buried electrical wires when FLUOR and DynCorp changed over and FLUOR took the base maps they drew because of a flaw in the writing of the contract. Doesn't mean the cables weren't there and in the ground. It just meant we didn't have the map.

MikeyA

Semantics! I regard most of our military budget as waste and fraud! Why are we spending $550 billion a year? Why are we the defenders of the world when were broke? No other country spends one tenth what we spend. Time to call the troops home and defend our economy and homeland.

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It's not semantics. First off, I find it doubtful that the Iraq money you cited is a part of the military budget since they are most likely from Overseas contingency funds which is NOT included in the military budget because DHS and DoS pull from it as well.

Second, you have not given any facts to prove your claims. One cites one of the smallest branches of the military which is augmented by both state and DHS money. The other I referenced above.

So you made a baseless claim. You've double downed on it here. Hell I'd even concede your point if you could prove 100 bil (20%) was wasted (which is a debatable term). And I gave you a generous 10% yet even then I proved how giving it to a PRIVATE company that employs not even 1% of the US.

MikeyA

In billions of budgeted dollars

Iraq $802
Afghanistan $455.4
Totals $1,291.5

Read more: Estimated War-Related Costs, Iraq and Afghanistan — Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0933935.html#ixzz1GtkYjgI9


http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Congratulations, you've managed to totally negate your whole argument with one post and show your understanding of military budgets is sorely lacking. I should have expected as much from a union member.

Just for future reference just posting figures doesn't mean anything unless you understand it.

Aristotle was not Belgian.

The underlying theme of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself"

and the London Underground was not a political movement.

MikeyA

At least you can sympathize and empathize. I appreciate that. As the Captain would say, it's nice to try a kind word. (Sorry about my Stratolounger comment on another thread. I just wanted to lash out. I'm in a pissed-at-the-world frame of mind). I was an at-will employee nearly all my life. I had to join the grain millers union when I worked at the old General Mills plant on Laskey. Management was never a problem. It was my shop steward who kept saying, "Slow down and leave something for the next shift." So I read a lot of paperbacks while making Betty Crocker cake.

I wish peace and prosperity for all.

Typical democrat was breaking the law....no license...string of DUI's...pot busts..

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Tod Pulvermacher drew cheers from the crowd and plenty of attention from the news media Saturday as he chugged around the Capitol Square in Madison on a tractor pulling a manure spreader.

The attention could take a different turn.

A check of online court records shows that a Tod Pulvermacher has been convicted of drunken driving four times and has no valid driver's license. The license was revoked for 33 months on July 2, the date of his fourth conviction for operating while intoxicated.

The unusual spelling of the name, the age and the hometown listed in the online court records all match information that a man who identified himself as Tod Pulvermacher provided reporters during the protest march at the Capitol. Both the Journal Sentinel and Wisconsin State Journal featured Pulvermacher in their reports on the rally.

That Tod Pulvermacher, wearing a green plaid shirt and dark sunglasses, drove around the Capitol Square roughly a half-hour before the rest of the tractorcade appeared.

Online records also show a Tod Pulvermacher of Plain was convicted of marijuana possession in 2007 and 2008. The former case included his third drunken driving offense, which occurred May 27 in Sauk County.

A conviction for causing injury by drunken driving in 2002 is listed as his second OWI offense in the online court records.

It is illegal to operate a tractor on public roads without a valid driver's license, unless the activity is authorized as farming use.

Pulvermacher's tractor was pulling a manure spreader, but the only thing being spread was opposition to Gov. Scott Walker's budget-repair bill.

Calls made to Pulvermacher and his attorney on Tuesday were not returned.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/118055779.html

Gee...he's UAW qualified to work for chrysler...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

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