Ronald Reagan: "Where Free Unions and Collective Bargaining are Forbidden, Freedom is Lost"

In a Labor Day address in 1980, Ronald Reagan said:

These are the values inspiring those brave workers in Poland ... They remind us that where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.

(Reagan starts praising unions at around 2:00, but the main quote starts a little after 7:00).

Of course, Reagan subsequently broke the back of the air traffic controllers union in America.

Senator Sherrod Brown - without mentioning Reagan - made an interesting comment last week:

History teaches us that unions are a very positive force in society that creates a middle class and that protects our freedom. So don't tell me you're against – don't tell me you support unions internationally but you don't support unions here. Don't tell me you support collective bargaining in Poland but you oppose collective bargaining in Zanesville or Dayton, Ohio, because frankly that's inconsistent and ultimately it's not taking the side of people whom we are supposed to represent.

Brown also said:

I look back at history and some of the worst governments we've ever had, do you know that one of the first things they did? They went after the trade unions. Hitler didn't want unions. Stalin didn't want unions. Mubarak didn't want independent unions. These autocrats in history don't want independent unions.

He subsequently apologized for going too far with his comments.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2011/03/ronald-reagan-where-free-u...

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Reagan might not have been your best example idiot.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Once again, I find myself coming to the defense of Reagan, who IS a perfect example, albeit not one that supports the SB5/HB5 opponants!

From

    An American Life: Ronald Reagan, The Autobiography

'Although I accepted that argument that the unusual pressures and demands of their occupations justified an increase [in salary], their demands would have cost taxpayers almost $700 million a year...

" I told [Transportation Secretary Drew Lewis] to advise the union's leaders that, as a former union president, I was probably the best friend his organization ever had in the White House, but I could not countenance an illegal strike nor permit ngotiations to take place as long as one was in progress....

"....By instinct and experience, I supported unions and the rights of workers to organize and bargain collectively; I'd served six terms as president of my own union, and led the Screen Actors Guild in its first strike. I was the first president of the United States who was a lifetime member of the AFL-CIO. But no president could tolerate an illegal strike by federal employees...you can't allow a strike to shut down a vital government service "(Reagan 282).
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Yes, Reagan believed in the idea of unions. And yes, he thought that the air-traffic controllers deserved to be paid more, HOWEVER, he also knew that the public treasury from which they were paid could not afford to pay them what they wanted .
I am Conservative and a member of a union, yet I don't tow the union line...in fact, I'd like to see HB5 passed (with some minor tweaks that I feel would be in the best interest of the public that my occupation serves).

I think the REAL issue we are dealing with is not whetheror not unions should exist-- I certainly think they should, and Dear Ronnie says so himself, so it must be so!--but rather if if unions representing people whose salaries are in large part paid by taxpayers have the power to affect the solvency of the states that they work for. I think unions have been more about threats than negotiations in recent years. I also think the same can be said for the public employer on the other side of the table...the idea of true give and take has transformed into threats and what amounts to legal blackmail, with the taxpayer held financially hostage.

And this is simply wishful thinking....Hitler didnt get rid of unions....he replaced them with his own unions...

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In 1933, the Nazis disbanded the Weimar unions and replaced them with the new and improved union, the German Labor Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront, DAF), which was comprised of 2 primary entities, the National Socialist Factory Organization and the National Socialist Trade and Industry Organization. The labor contracts that were Weimar contracts were now DAF-honored contracts. The Nazi’s funded the DAF’s coffers with the Weimar unions’ stockpile of wealth (the existing unions were part of that inflation problem). One of the new unions’ most popular programs was the Strength through Joy (Kraft durch Freude, KdF)) program, which developed the KdF-wagen, that later became the Volkswagen, or People’s Car.

The primary goal of Germany’s national socialists was to “create a classless” society. Hitler’s unions were central in this cause. In fact, Hitler gave the unions their long-awaited demand, one that the Weimar unions were never able to pull off, a National Labor Day, May 1, 1933.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Just because I can take a piece of crap and call it a diamond, does not change the fact of what it really is. Just because Hitler formed new unions does not make them unions. In what ways did his "unions" resemble anything of their former shells. They were completely controlled by Hitler, they were not able to bargain, they were not allowed to strike, they could not speak out about workplace conditions or government abuse, etc. They were just tools for Hitler to control the workers.

So once again, just because I call you ignorant does not necessarily make it so. I'm only providing a generic label.

That's what happens to unions after they help the socialists take over....stalin did the same thing...they dont call you guys "useful idiots" for nothing....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers%27_Party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

So what you are saying is Hitler needed to take over the Unions, seeing that they provided the greatest opposition to his power. So as long as he placed strict control over the unions the rest of the people would just follow along blindly like sheep.

Because we all know that Hitler was given his power by the request of newly rich, aristocrats, new industrialists, and financiers who wished for lower taxes and the arrest of the labor movement. And as the Depression got worse they were the ones that ultimately granted him power

"Because we all know that Hitler was given his power by the request of newly rich, aristocrats, new industrialists, and financiers who wished for lower taxes and the arrest of the labor movement."

LMAO....History is hard for you I see...Hitler asnt a "right winger"..nor was he a "leftist"...he was something in between and at the same time...not quite either...

He was anti-capitlaist and anti-communist...

Above all...Hitler was a populist and a socialist...in favor of a state run economy and felt that "freemarkets" enabled jewish financiers to amass to much wealth....(redistribution of wealth)..

And the last legal political party opposed to the national socialists was the center right German national peoples party.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_National_People%27s_Party

Between 1925 and 1928, the party slightly moderated its tone and actively cooperated in successive governments. In 1928, however, after a disastrous showing at the polls (the party's share of votes fell from 21% in 1924 to 14%[4]), Alfred Hugenberg, leader of the party's hardliner wing, became chairman. Hugenberg returned the party to a course of fundamental opposition against the Republic, but abandoned its previous monarchism in favour of more hardline nationalism and reluctant co-operation with the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP), better known as the Nazi Party. In 1929, this resulted in the former chairman Kuno Graf von Westarp and other members leaving the party and forming the more centrist Konservative Volkspartei (Conservative People's Party). The DNVP was declining rapidly as many workers and peasants began to support the more populist and less aristocratic NSDAP, leaving the party with mostly upper middle class and upper class support.

In 1931, the DNVP, the NSDAP and the Stahlhelm paramilitary organisation briefly formed an uneasy alliance known as the Harzburger Front. The DNVP hoped to control the NSDAP through this coalition and to curb the Nazis' extremism, but the pact only served to strengthen the NSDAP by giving it access to funding and political respectability while obscuring the DNVP's own less extreme platform.

The following year, the DNVP became the only significant party to support Franz von Papen in his short tenure as Chancellor. Performing badly in subsequent elections, the party ended up as junior coalition partners to the NSDAP in the so-called, short-lived Regierung der nationalen Konzentration (Government of National Concentration) on Adolf Hitler's appointment as Chancellor in 1933, supporting the Enabling Act that authorised Hitler's government with legislative powers.

Hitler's patience with his conservative allies was limited, and the DNVP representatives in his first Cabinet were quickly bullied into resignation. Shortly thereafter, DNVP members were coerced into joining the NSDAP or retiring from political life altogether. The party dissolved itself and shortly after this the founding of political parties was outlawed in 1933.

In post-war Germany, no serious attempt was made to recreate the party as a political force when conservative and centrist forces united into bigger parties like the CDU and the CSU, its Bavarian branch. The DNVP was briefly revived in 1962, but the new DVNP soon afterwards was merged into the National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD). Today, there is no mainstream national conservative political party in Germany similar to the DNVP, as the CDU/CSU is more to the centre.

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Hitlers Base was the WORKING CLASS..the YOUTH and the self appointed intellectual Elite...goebells was a LEFT winger...that's why Hitler picked him.. to appeal to the German LEFTISTS.

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Goebbels' Place in History
Mark Weber

No other name is so firmly associated with the term propaganda, conjuring lies and deceit, than that of Joseph Goebbels. But the popular image of this man, particularly in the United States, is a crude caricature.

Following his birth in 1897 in Rheydt, a medium-size city in the German Rhineland, Paul Joseph Goebbels was raised in a solidly middle-class, staunchly Roman Catholic family. Although physically unimpressive and handicapped (one leg was shorter than the other), he was gifted with intelligence, a quick tongue and a melodious voice. He excelled in his studies. After a rigorous "humanistic" Gymnasium education, he studied at several German universities, receiving a doctorate from Heidelberg University in 1921.

After an unsuccessful effort to find employment as a writer for major national daily papers, and a nine-month stint working at a bank in Cologne, he became an activist in the fledgling National Socialist Party, and served as editor of two party periodicals, the weekly Völkische Freiheit ("National Freedom") and, later, of NS-Briefe ("NS Letters"). With pronounced working class sympathies, and even some pro-Communist sentiments, during this period he was known as a member of the Party's "left wing."

In 1926, Hitler appointed him Gauleiter (district leader) for Berlin. He lost no time taking firm control of the small and feuding Party organization there, and infusing it with new dynamism. Goebbels threw himself into his task, quickly proving himself a master organizer and public speaker. As part of his ceaseless efforts in Germany's most important city, in July 1927 he started his own newspaper, Der Angriff ("The Attack"). Goebbels faced an uphill battle because he aimed, above all, to win support from the city's working class population -- which overwhelmingly supported the Marxist Social Democratic and Communist parties -- while at the same time not alienating middle class voters.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I just wanted you to admit that it was not all about the Unions. That Hitler used his manipulation on the masses. That you can not pin down the blame to any one group. Hitler used the unions, he used the industrialists, and he used the war veterans to persuade and force his way into control of the government. I have always been one that believes all sides of the story should be heard.

Also, I understand the purpose of using Wikipedia, for getting a quick breakdown on a topic. But I hope you do not rely solely on Wikipedia for your information. I don't believe you do but it is just an observation.

"I just wanted you to admit that it was not all about the Unions. That Hitler used his manipulation on the masses.

He never said that. Sherrod Brown did. It was Z's point that the nazi movement was primarily a leftist movement and thus included the working class AND that Sherrod Brown was wrong because they didn't outlaw unions they replaced them with their own people which is still very different than what the GOP is trying to do.

MikeyA

"I just wanted you to admit that it was not all about the Unions."

What the hell are you talking about?

" That Hitler used his manipulation on the masses. That you can not pin down the blame to any one group."

Funny....seeing as you clearly blamed one group above....the "rich" :

QUOTE:
"Because we all know that Hitler was given his power by the request of newly rich, aristocrats, new industrialists, and financiers who wished for lower taxes and the arrest of the labor movement."

Which...as I clearly illustrated...is pure liberal fantasy....wishful thinking even...

" Hitler used the unions,"

Duh.....pretty much what I said in the first place...which is a far cry from "Hitler got rid of unions"

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Left's double standard on Kochs and Soros

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/left039s-double-standard-kochs-an...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

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I see where the meaning of the word "lame" in the moniker "lameduck" comes from...

I used to laugh every time I heard him speak. Not at him, but at the number of people who bought into his melodrama. He's an icon alright. If it weren't for the Toy Story Cowboy taking the number one spot, Reagan would go down as the worst President in American history.

LMAO....

After the asswhipping you idiots took in the midterms , Obama is trying to look like Reagan...

http://www.aolnews.com/2010/12/24/obama-reading-biography-of-ronald-reag...

and he's acting like Carter...and even the libtards KNOW it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Regan was the Rights all time hero. During his second term, when Alzheimers was starting to set in, Nancy Regan actually told Ronnie what to do based on what her Tarot
readings revealed. Nancy Davis as she was known before she married Ronnie, was known in Hollywood as the blowjob queen. Google it!

"During his second term, when Alzheimers was starting to set in,"

And what proof do you have of this?

Reagans shunned homo kid who no one in the family likes...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2014028441_ronreagan25...

It's a libtard myth..made up tell sell a "tell all" book to libtards....

But the really ironic part.....even if this was true.... YOU are saying a old crazy coot was STILL a better president than CARTER, CLINTON ,OR "THE ONE"!!

That must really twist your panties...

BUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

LOL

"even if this was true.... YOU are saying a old crazy coot was STILL a better president than CARTER, CLINTON ,OR "THE ONE"!!"

OMG I thought the exact same thing when they were touting that book.

Alzheimer's: Better than being a Democrat!

MikeyA

And what proof do you have of this?

Sorry can't provide proof because the spam filter won't let me for some reason. A Reagan
lover in denial must be censoring me.

I liked Gerald Ford. I wish he could have been President longer, but he pardoned that crook Nixon. Goldwater was an interesting candidate for President. He wanted to re-institute slavery. President Ronald Reagan, I mean President Nancy Regan's chief adviser was a tarot card reader that she used to run the country. It appeared at that time the country was headed toward being like Germany in 1936.

I thought George Bush Senior was okay for a while, but he wasn't truthful and he wimped out during the Gulf war. His son, the Toy Story Cowboy, mistook the Presidency as a big fraternity party at Rhett Butlers Bar and Grill in Amarillo, Texas. Eisenhower, besides building the interstate highway system, I can't remember anything good he did as President.

Many of their political party cronies seem to have some kinky tastes and don't do a good job of keeping them discrete. These people seem to think that people don't count and balancing the budget is the only thing that counts, while running up the deficit to unimaginable levels. They appear to be very good at blaming their mess on other political parties. They remind me of what I have read about the Romans during the reign of the Emperor Caligula.

Something to think about, huh?

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