NHTSA Tracking Braking Loss on Prius Hybrids

NHTSA Tracking Braking Loss on Prius Hybrids
Toyota owners are unhappy about the performance of the system, calling it defective. Pedestrian lives at risk?
by Ken Zino on Dec.24, 2009
Drivers are unhappy about stopping distances on bumps, tracks and slippery surfaces.
Dozens of owners of the current third generation Toyota Prius models have filled complaints with the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration about the alleged brake failures they have experienced.
The Office of Defects Investigation has at least 33 complaints that we are aware of from Prius owners alleging a problem or safety defect, often about the design or performance of the braking system, which recharges the battery when the Prius decelerates.

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Toyota’s worst year for recalls, ever

So far this year, Toyota has said it will recall a total of 4.8 million vehicles in the United States, four times more than in any previous year. It recalled 1.1 million vehicles in 2004.

Thus far it is difficult to attribute the Toyota brand sales decline in the U.S. – off 24% year-to-date, about the same as industry results — to a damaged reputation, in spite of much self-serving media and analyst commentary claiming such.

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December 7, 2009
Toyota Corolla, Matrix investigated for stalling
2006-Toyota-Corolla In the latest in a string of bad news for Toyota owners, federal investigators are looking into complaints of stalling in 2006 Corolla and Matrix models. (Also see: “Analysis shows over 40-percent of sudden acceleration complaints involve Toyotas.”)
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/cars/2009/12/toyota-corolla-matrix-inve...
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has 26 complaints of the 1.8-liter engine in these models stalling, sometimes in the middle of intersections or on highways. Some complaints mention the electronic engine control module, for which Toyota has issued a technical service bulletin. However, replacing the ECM would cost consumers about $900, according to a New York Times report.

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Sour grapes? When the Toyota owned Lexus brand is included, Toyota has 50% of the top selling hybrid cars in America.

As far as all car companies, 8 out of the top 10 best selling hybrid cars are made by Japanese owned companies.

How many of those Japanese car companies did mommy gubberment give American taxpayers money?

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/116743/article.html

  1. Toyota Prius — 48,156 units
    The second oldest hybrid on the market, the Prius is also the most widely known, and it shows. The sedan is far and away the market leader, with sales that account for nearly 50 percent of the hybrid segment.

     

  2. Toyota Highlander Hybrid — 18,127 units
    Introduced in June 2005 for the 2006 model year, the Highlander Hybrid is new, but that hasn't stopped it from shoring up an impressive fan base. Toyota's second hybrid outsold older hybrid SUVs like the Ford Escape to cruise into the No. 2 spot.

     

  3. Honda Civic Hybrid — 15,755 units
    The prudent Civic has an even more prudent sibling: the Civic Hybrid. It was the second best-selling hybrid in the nation last year, but thus far, 2006 finds it taking the bronze.

     

  4. Lexus RX 400h — 11,193 units
    Based on the popular RX 330, the RX 400h was the first luxury hybrid SUV. Luxury clearly has its supporters. The ute was the third best-selling hybrid last year, and this year it maintains its foothold in the upper reaches of the sales chart.

     

  5. Ford Escape Hybrid — 10,190 units
    Ford proved that SUVs can be green, too, when it introduced the Escape Hybrid, the nation's first hybrid SUV, back in 2001. Five years later, the compact ute continues to rack up impressive sales.

     

  6. Toyota Camry Hybrid — 7,386 units
    Toyota continues its domination of the hybrid segment with the Camry Hybrid. The sedan has only been on the market since May, but it's off to an exceptional start. Sales figures for May and June are second only to those of the Prius.

     

  7. Honda Accord Hybrid — 3,245 units
    Equipped with a V6, the Accord Hybrid was the first hybrid built with driving enthusiasts in mind. Fuel economy suffers, though; the car gets about the same mileage as a four-cylinder Accord. Perhaps that's why sales have been somewhat disappointing.

     

  8. Mercury Mariner Hybrid — 1,461 units
    Introduced for model-year 2006, the Mariner Hybrid shares the Escape Hybrid's basic structure, platform and powertrain, but seeks to offer a more upscale driving experience via a more stylish exterior and a luxurious cabin. Thus far, it hasn't been nearly as successful as its twin.

     

  9. Lexus GS 450h — 525 units
    Introduced just a couple of months ago, the GS 450h is the nation's first luxury/sport sedan hybrid. Its powertrain offers V8 power paired with the fuel economy of a small V6.

     

  10. Honda Insight — 489 units
    The Insight is the hybrid that launched the segment; it's also the one that gets the best mileage. Sadly, its tight quarters and less-than-brisk horsepower prevented it from finding mainstream success. The Insight was discontinued in September 2006; Honda plans to introduce a new hybrid-specific model in 2009.

Top 10 and bottom 10 in reliability? NO AMERICAN CARS LISTED IN THE TOP 10.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2008-10-23-cr-reliability-ranking_N.htm

1 Scion
62
tC xD*
2 Acura
42
MDX TSX (2008)
3 Honda
42
Civic Si Fit (2008)
4 Toyota
40
Camry (V6) Matrix*
5 Lexus
38
GS (V8)* SC*
6 Infiniti
38
QX56 M35 (RWD)
7 Subaru
23
Legacy (turbo)* Outback (turbo)*
8 Hyundai
21
Entourage* Elantra
9 Mitsubishi
20
Eclipse* Outlander
10 Kia
19
Sedona Optima

Bottom 10 in reliability? American car companies own 8 out of 10 of the lowest rated cars.

24 Chevrolet
-15
Corvette Malibu (4-cyl.)*
25 Volkswagen
-21
Touareg Rabbit
26 GMC
-21
Acadia (FWD) Sierra 1500 (V8, 2WD)
27 Mercedes-Benz
-28
M-Class (V8)* SL*
28 Jeep
-35
Wrangler 2-door Patriot
29 Pontiac
-36
Solstice (non-turbo) Vibe*
30 Dodge
-42
Avenger* Caliber
31 Cadillac
-57
SRX (V6) DTS
32 Chrysler
-60
Sebring Convertible* Aspen
33 Saturn
-66
Sky (non-turbo)* Aura XR (V6)
34 Land Rover
-119
Range Rover* LR3*

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I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Honda may follow Toyota's lead, ask Japanese gov't for aid

by Chris Shunk
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/03/04/honda-may-follow-toyotas-lead-ask-jap...
Yesterday we learned that Toyota's financial arm has applied for a $2 billion loan from the Japanese government. One day later comes word that Honda may follow suit. Honda is reportedly looking to borrow $100 million to loan to U.S. customers. The loan may be necessary due to the lack of money flowing through the U.S. financial market; a situation that is hurting all automakers. The financial markets are definitely hurting Honda, too, as the Japanese automaker posted a 38% sales decline for February versus 2008. Only two models in the Honda portfolio posted gains for the month; the fuel efficient Honda Fit and the new for 2009 Acura TSX. The February sales slide caused Honda to lose 4.6% on the Japanese stock exchange.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/business/global/30toyota.html
Stabenow: Japanese Cash for Clunkers Program Discriminates Against U.S. Automakers
http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/48757494-sen-stabenow-on-japanese-cas...
December 11, 2009 -- WASHINGTON- U.S. Senator Debbie Stabenow, the Senate author of the CARS program (otherwise known as “Cash for Clunkers”), today made the following statement regarding the Japanese “cash for clunkers” program.
“It’s outrageous that Japan denies that their ‘cash for clunkers’ program discriminates against American automakers. When we put together the CARS program, we followed international law and made it apply to all cars sold in the United States—not just American cars, which is what I would have greatly preferred. The Japanese program intentionally excludes our U.S. automakers through unfair trade practices.

“I urge the Japanese government to stop discriminating against American workers and manufacturers, and I urge our government to take action if they continue these discriminatory policies.”

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A Japanese owned car company asking the Japanese government to loan money to American citizens because Americans can not afford to buy Japanese cars anymore?

If only Government Motors or the Italian owned Chrysler could now make a car that Americans want to buy.

The entire Obama presidency is a total failure.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Toyota, brought to you by the people that brought....Pearl Harbor.

Seriously, if a little shoebox like a Prius had brake problems you could just drag your foot to stop it.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

For just $260 I recieved an 8 year bumper to bumper warranty from Toyota. I had to pay an extra $500 for a 4 year warranty when I bought my focus.

I have never heard of any American car company offering anything along those lines for a price like that.

MikeyA

Toyota of Japan has national health care they spend little on national defense depending on 50 thousand American solders to defend them. Americans borrow from China to defend the Japanese who spend their money subsidizing their manufacturing workers.So Mikey can you see how American manufacturers are being unfairly affected? Can you see how warranty costs are different?

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No I don't see how costs are different.

Businesses must make me, the consumer, happy. Thus they must then either beat out the competitor's price or compensate me in the form of benefits to make me happy.

American car companies do little to make me happy. Instead I am expected to buy their product out of national pride. I'm sorry. I am a member of our armed forces. I will use my national pride to defend the constitution instead of make a consumer choice.

MikeyA

God man get a grip on yourself! Life is not as simple as watching the Waltons or Little House on the Prairie. You think our country is not in an economic war? Forget about Iraq or Afghanistan or your simplistic views about Free Markets & Free Trade Patriotism ETC., no it comes down to I want to buy a Toyota because I think I'm saving a buck when in fact your country is being bankrupted by the flow of jobs and profits to
other countries. How is that good for your country Mikey? Have you looked beyond the Toyota car lot and seen what has happened to cities like Toledo and others that used to manufacture what we buy? Do you even know that we owe China $800 Billion and growing because the foolish can buy a trinket for a dollar at the dollar store thinking like YOU its a better deal for ME? Open your eyes!

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Wolf, I'll bet you are all for importing cheaper Canadian drugs into the US aren't you?

So what's the difference? Buying drugs from Canada or buying a car from Japan, it's the same thing.

Except that Unions don't control Canadian Drugs so Unions have nothing to loose.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

"You think our country is not in an economic war? Forget about Iraq or Afghanistan or your simplistic views about Free Markets & Free Trade Patriotism ETC."

Ah so my views are simplistic. Too bad free trade has been endorse by many a good man before me. And those men are smarter than you and me. Free Trade represents a better system of economics than the previous systems which are all holdovers from European monarchies.

"You think our country is not in an economic war?" No I don't. Because actually Free Trade helps to prevent war. This is because business partners will fight less than business competitors. In the free market system we are partners with other countries rather than just rivals. I don't believe we will ever be in a war with China because if we did they'd lose all the money in debt of ours they have bought. We won't go to war with them because they are becoming our biggest vendor.

"your country is being bankrupted by the flow of jobs and profits to other countries." Our country is bankrupt because our gov't won't cut spending. What we have lost in "jobs and profits" have not equated to tangible losses because we still create jobs internally.

"Have you looked beyond the Toyota car lot and seen what has happened to cities like Toledo and others that used to manufacture what we buy?" Yes I have seen what's happened to Toledo. I have also seen Minneapolis, Charlotte, and San Diego. Those cities are in much better shape than Toledo because it isn't still promoting a dead economic model. Those are bigger cities yet they're not bleeding jobs like Toledo and Detroit. Why is that? Why is that?

In fact I drove through Oklahoma City and Witchita this year. They used to be solely farming/industrial communites. What struck me as interesting was how little industry there was there now. Because of that the city looked, smelled, and felt so much cleaner than any Ohio or Michigan city I've lived in. And I will bet without even seeing the facts that they don't have anywhere near the unemployment.

MikeyA

"your country is being bankrupted by the flow of jobs and profits to other countries." Our country is bankrupt because our gov't won't cut spending. What we have lost in "jobs and profits" have not equated to tangible losses because we still create jobs internally."

Government can't cut spending without throwing the whole house-of-cards into bankruptcy. When we had a export economy we could afford the government we have. But now we, thought 20 years of foolish trade policy, have a race to the bottom in a country based on a certain standard of living for its people. We have 43% not paying federal income tax now because the living wage jobs have been either off shored or forced to compete with Chinese wages. People like you who refuse to look at the big picture when you ogle the $7,000 KIA and what its true costs are for this country are what I call the low information consumer.

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"Government can't cut spending without throwing the whole house-of-cards into bankruptcy." Yes it can. It has done it many times before. In fact TAXES are going to push us into bankruptcy.

The rest of your argument I've already proven is stupid. It is clear from speaking to you that you know very little understanding of macroeconomics.

MikeyA

I agree we are caught in a catch 22 situation. Cut spending and your neighbor doesn't receive his next unemployment check. Raise taxes and the economy slows. Keep borrowing from China and the dollar drops inflation rises. But the right still thinks spending 10s of billions a month on wars is the right thing to do but don't raise taxes to pay for it all. I say bring them all home and put them on our borders spending our money in our communities stimulating our economy.

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You told me that Texas was doing better than Toledo because of the immigration and the border with Mexico. Yet I don't believe you answered my follow on question.

What's California's problem? It shares a border with Mexico. Yet it has comparable problems with Ohio and Michigan suddenly. Why do they not benefit from the same workforce that Texas does?

MikeyA

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MikeyA

Despite my efforts.

MikeyA

Have you heard of the NAFTA highway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_69 Texas has set its self up as a staging point for international trade. California is not geographically as fortunate. Texas has some weakness in this recession but as a right-to-work state its per capita income is lower. Right-to-work is a minimum wage job with few benefits a subsistence way of life for most working people. California suffers from a silicon valley & real estate collapse with illegal immigration swamping the state services. Real estate and tourism is a big part of California's economy which we are seeing problems across the country.

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I now live in CA and am seeing this first hand. While yes the housing boom hurt California it is not the be all end all for the economy.

You're about 10 years too late on the Silicon Valley collapse. That stabilized after 2000-2001. In fact the unemployment rate of the San Jose are just about a percentage point or two over the national average. Nothing close to the Detroit unemployment rate.

Illegal immigration does hurt the state when it comes to services but even in this recession the state has refused to cut services. Texas is too very open to illegal immigration but has never put the spending into social services that California has.

In fact, California is reminiscent of our current national gov't. The Governor and Dem leadership refuse to cut services. The Repubs can do little except to stall new taxes. The result is the state has a huge budget deficit and is slowly going bankrupt. The only way the state will survive is with a bailout of your money.

The right-to-work has helped Texas. It has not overburdened small businesses owners and it's one of the few states still creating jobs. Their unemployment rate is now 8 percent. 4 points lower than Cali's and 6 points lower than Michigan. That's a HUGE difference.

Claiming illegal immigration makes the state benefit from recession works for Texas and New Mexico yet it doesn't explain California and Arizona. And I would love to hear you try to explain Mass, N.H. and Montana as they remain below the national unemployment yet have very little illegal immigration... unless... are the Canadians suddenly invading?

MikeyA

Are the drugs produced in Canada or are they repackaged from America and allowed to be sold at a competitive price? Health care is double in costs to our next door trading partner which by the way has national health care. Many of our countrymen are heading to Mexico for their health care http://www.pbs.org/newshour/video/module.html?s=news01s37ddq7d0 because of our"for profit" system that has been corrupted by corporatism. You can go to Mexico for a hip replacement at a cost of $15,000 including therapy compared to $80,000 to $120,000 in the U.S. These inflated costs keep our manufacturing base at a disadvantage uncompetitive cost basis. Prices like this make union contracts look generous. So Mr Blowme don't blame this on over priced union contracts or legacy costs if we could regulate our business interests maybe we could get a handle on all this corruption.

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I guess I don't understand your point.

Are you saying it is OK to buy foreign products that are cheaper as long as they have to do with healthcare but buying a Toyota is bad?

What about the Union nurses in American hospitals? Shouldn't we support them by being patriotic and buying American hip replacements? Or is the only thing a "patriotic" American supposed to purchase an American made car?

Or maybe you are saying that we (the American public) should stop subsidizing Canadian healthcare by paying more for American made drugs that are being repackaged in Canada at artifically low prices? Prices that the American consumer are forced to make up the difference for?

Or maybe you are saying that the American drug companies need price controls? That way, the approximately 200,000 Union workers in American drug plants can have wage freezes. And if it is OK to control prices on American made drugs made by Americans in America, then it must also be OK to control prices of American made cars made by Americans in America.

http://www.bls.gov/oco/cg/CGS009.htm

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Mr Blowme I use this as a comparison. Profits in health care are out of control. Wages cannot account for all the huge disparities in costs. $15,000 compared to $120,000 is a glaring example why our country is heading for bankruptcy. Yet the right thinks this is not a concern all we hear is the word socialism nothing about the costs of the current corrupt system.

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Comparing apples-to-apples:

A professional nurse in Mexico makes $834 a month when translated into US Dollars

Mexico average income PPP $ 834 $ 534 Employees, 2005. Instituto Nacional de Estadística, Geografía e Informatica (INEGI), [9], [k]. 6,310 pesos 8% 42.0

While a Unionized nurse in America makes $3,168 a month in US Dollars

U.S. average salary PPP $ 3,168 $ 3,168 Full-time and part-time employees, 2005. U.S. Department of Labor, [t]. 4,061 dollars

http://www.worldsalaries.org/professionalnurse.shtml

So is it profits that are out of control? Or artifically high Union forced US wages that are out of control?

And, like Canada, if drugs have price controls to control the costs, shouldn't wages also have controls to control healthcare costs?

By the way, nurses in Mexico are NOT unionized that I know of.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Mr Blowme again what's with your bashing unions. Most nurses are not unionized. Yes wages are higher in the good ole United States but to equate that to somehow say this is the big profit margin in health care is laughable. The health care industrial complex are garnering the lion share of health care profits. What is with all you people and your hatred of a middle class American making a living wage? I don't get it? The 10% own over 70% of American wealth the bottom 40% own less than 1%. What is fair in life?

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Since that is the case, doctors, nurses, radiology techs, janitors, administrators and all other healthcare related careers should be un-paid.

After all, to work and make money is profiting yourself.

OK, maybe not make those careers volunteer positions, but definately reduce wages to minimum allowed by law.

That way, healthcare workers would not be working for evil "profit" but would be paid in accordance with what American people want to pay them. Not what they are worth, but what Americans want to pay.

After all, to control healthcare costs we need to take the profit out of it.

Then, to control energy costs, we need to take the profit out of the oil industry and make all workers in oil fields, refineries, gas stations, corporate offices etc. minimum wage workers.

Move on to auto manufacturers. Then move on to all the glass industries like Owens, Libby, etc.

That way, to be "fair in life" everyone will make $7.35 an hour no matter what they do.

BTW, your statement "The 10% own over 70% of American wealth the bottom 40% own less than 1%. What is fair in life?" shows that you are a closet socialist. In America, YOU could become one of the 10% if you work hard enough.

*EDIT* Thanks to ChrisM for posting this story about the FACT that the majority of Ohio hospitals are not for profit. Kind of blows the "theory" that the "health care industrial complex are garnering the lion share of health care profits".

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
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Why does Michigan get a pass on the H.C. tax? HMMMM. Why is every other blue cross blue shield buyer in the country forced to pay a penalty but yet Michigan doesn't? Could it be union influence and nothing else.

Why are they taking Tricare for Life from military retirees? Where did our patriotism suddenly go? I mean we had it on the car lot.

The fact is in order to make the H.C. takeover "deficit neutral" they have to find money somewhere. The current plan if enacted takes away military retirees benefits. Notice this is not VA hospital benefits, military retiree healthcare is something different. These are not just men or women who served their 4 years and got out. They hare people who served for over 20 and 30 years and are now seeing their premiums triple.

So I, as a veteran, have to pay triple the healthcare cost when I retire and buy american cars so that union employees who haven't offered the last full devotion to their country can get cheaper insurance and that is the new measure of our patriotism.

MikeyA

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