casino gambling issue rejection

You Ohio people are so STUPID!!! Why would any idiot who lives in Ohio and can see people are loosing their jobs and moving out of state decide "their moral obligations" to decline issue 6 because they "think" that they don't gamble so why approve this sin (no one is forcing a gun to your head to play there, and for those morons that say "well I won't vote for it because it is too far to drive to I can go elsewhere closer". WE NEED JOBS PEOPLE!!! There may be many lies in this issue but what polition hasn't lied on any issues....it's about JOBS!!! And for the poor Saps that say it's too far to drive...well it would be for me but I voted for it because for once it opens up opportunities for "other" gambling establishments to open up in the state (closer to home) if you don't get past step one you CAN'T get to step two!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE QUIT LIVING IN A BOX!

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I'm all about allowing gambling in the state, but even the Buckeye Institute came out against Issue 6.

What is the "Buckeye Institute"??? Sorry the people who are against it are against it for themselves do they by any chance have anything to do with the Ohio Lottery? They could list tons of establishments against but do you really know they are against or is another ploy from Argosy?? It's about jobs we don't have here in Ohio!

People didn't want to vote for legislation that gave a monopoly on casino gambling to one entity.

I guarantee that an issue on the ballot to make casino gambling in Ohio legal would pass, as long as it didn't contain all the stupid stipulations this one did.

I would vote to make casino gambling legal in Ohio. Even if the casinos would have been in other parts of the state. But I wouldn't vote to give a monopoly to one group.

Listen Sarah, the issue would "not" stop other establishments from coming in it's what "Indiana" wanted you to believe. But what's done is done, we all believed the lies (just like Argosy wanted us too) and they won AGAIN.

Why do filthy little partisan fuckwads like you ever open your mouths online where we can record your stupidity or lying for posterity?

Link: http://www.votelucascounty.com/Issues.php

Emphases are mine:

Evidence #1: "Authorize one privately owned casino [....]"

Evidence #2: "Require the casino [....]"

Evidence #3: "Reduce the tax paid by the casino authorized by this amendment to the lesser of the rate taxed on another casino or 25%, in the event another casino is permitted in Ohio in the future."

Evidence #4: "Require that the casino [....]"

Evidence #5: "Authorize the casino [....]"

Evidence #6: "Set aside the application to the casino of all local and state laws and any constitutional provisions that would prohibit the operation of this privately owned casino [....]"

Look at that ballot language. IT MEANS _O_N_E_ CASINO. It also means no other operators since there are no other casinos. So either you're a moron or you're a fucking liar. CHOOSE WHICH ONE APPLIES TO YOU.

Look you are not worth replying too, your filthy mouth alone is not worth it....I doubt if you even have a job or could hold a job. This is about jobs, no they would not be a monopoly to have one casino alone, but if that's what you want to believe, so be it.

In other words, you're a moron or a liar. I'm betting it's the latter.

My mouth may be fucking filthy, but your lies have soiled your mouth far worse, assknob.

The truth is that Issue 6 only authorized ONE CASINO, which naturally is run by ONE OPERATOR. Other operators CANNOT come into Ohio. Other casinos CANNOT open. You're wrong and I'm going to continue rubbing your lying scum-mouth in it.

I turn the channel when any political commercials come on TV or the radio. I immediately dump all political junk mail in the trash. Don't pay one bit of attention to political advertising, because all the "facts" from either side of any campaign/issue are too distorted anyhow.

My opinion on the issue was not influenced one bit by any campaigning done by the Indiana casinos. I don't pay attention to any of that propaganda.

Ironic that you're complaining about people being influenced by the Indiana casino propaganda, when you were so clearly duped by the other side's blind promises of "jobs, jobs, jobs" (while all the while they were crossing their fingers hoping people didn't notice all the loopholes).

not by casino operator

Look, VegasBound, if Ohio wanted to stimulate the economy they wouldn't do it with casino gambling, especially when the casino comes with a monopoly. Just deal with it.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Listen madjack it's better to "stimulate" the economy with some kinds of JOBS then to see us all move away or go broke. You have no idea the kind of money that actually does leave the state each and every day. We live in northeast Ohio and many times we are coming into Ohio from PA on a Saturday morning and you cannot even count all the busses leaving the state (and I'm not talking greyhound), I could count 20+ busses heading out and that is "only" here in the north. I'm not encouraging anyone to gamble that does not gamble, I'm just saying Ohio needs jobs and money. Yes there are some flaws in the package but there are also many many more lies from Indiana to keep their monopoly going! Look at all the lies the Ohio lottery gave us about giving computers to all the schools and giving them money and every year you hear about all the schools going under because of lack of funds. With our lack of economy 10,000 JOBS sounds pretty darn good right now!

If an issue came out that legalized gambling as a whole around the state, I will vote for it in a heartbeat. But these gambling issues that keep propping up involve legalizing gambling for a select few companies...and who in the their right mind thinks it is right to allow one company to have a monopoly -- it mean's higher prices and less customer satisfaction as they have no incentive to improve their business as they aren't competing with anyone.

Do you honestly believe all the lies about the issue 6 proposal, not all was true. Maybe it's because you live in Toledo that you don't believe anything would ever come close your way. Listen I live 3-1/2 hours away from the proposed site myself, I'd never go to it but what I looked at was that it created jobs and it opened up opportunities for other places to open up statewide, you have got to get one ok before you can open up other avenues...maybe you are happy being so close to other places in Detroit and Indiana that you don't mind driving to. Many of the places that are opened up throughout the states don't follow regulations (they don't have to) but they created jobs for their communities and also increased business in hotels, restaurants surrounding these places. We have to start somewhere.

"We have to start somewhere."

You're right. We start by legalizing gambling in Ohio, not by granting power to a cartel.

Until that ballot says "legalizes gambling in Ohio" or something like "legalizes the formation of casinos in Ohio", my vote will continue to be NAY.

If you had actually read the ballot issue then you would have easily seen that it did in fact say there would only be ONE casino.

The issue promised 5,000 jobs and then just a few weeks before the vote it jumped to 10,000. Those jobs wouldn't have been anywhere near you in NE Ohio anymore then it would have helped us here in NW Ohio.
The only place that would have had any sort of direct benefit would have been to those people living in the same area the casino was operating in.

As for the money ... how much do you really think we as Ohioans would have seen?

Chances are those busses would still be going to PA because it would still be closer to go there from your area then to go all the way to Cinci. Same thing here, people are going to go to Detroit and Windsor because its only an hour or so away.

 

When they come up with a proposal to make it legal for anyone to open a casino then I'd vote ok on it but no way I'd say yes to changing the state constitution to allow one company a monopoly in Ohio.

I didn't vote for the casinos. Because I think there are consequences to having casino's that those who can only think about jobs don't consider. You put a casino in and how many families get destroyed through addiction. How can encouraging a community who is struggling financially to throw their money down the drain (slot machine) be of help? Gambing addiction takes over....families lose their savings which causes distress in the home....divorce ensues....kids are left without a two parent home....

Then...we the tax payers...will be taxed to support gambling addiction government programs to bail out all those who had a choice not to gamble. I haven't even touched the surface of casinos bringing crime and prostitution...which leads to STD's which ends up costing taxpayers more in healthcare....and on and on it goes.

There are some things more important than missing out on a couple hundred jobs. Sometimes I really feel sorry for you voters who make the economy and jobs your only priority.

STD's, Prostitution? Have you been watching too many Vegas films? Even in Vegas Prostitution is illegal, where do you get those kind of ideas. Hey nobody puts a gun to your head to go gamble. People have all sorts of additions, alcohal, drugs, smoking some can control it and some cannot. We all cannot be accused of being "sinners", you point a finger at me and you have four more pointing back at you. We are one of the few states left without casinos, and we are a very poor state scratching for jobs. Maybe you don't know this but if you "work" in a casino you cannot gamble in a casino..we still need jobs.

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"There are some things more important than missing out on a couple hundred jobs. Sometimes I really feel sorry for you voters who make the economy and jobs your only priority."-KOOZ

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Auction off Casino licenses. Reciently, Illinois received a $1Billion dollar bid on one of it's 10 casino licenses.

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/opinions/31266569.html

It's funny to think that Ohio would have settled for one casino owned by one guy in one county when Illinois makes BILLIONS by selling those licenses.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

"It's funny to think that Ohio would have settled for one casino owned by one guy in one county when Illinois makes BILLIONS by selling those licenses."

Is that an endorsement of Illinois? You know those damn hippie-loving, sex-crazed, abortion-addict liberals are the one's in control of Illinois' government.

You're right, Vegasbound! It is all about jobs in Ohio.

I mean, look what gambling has done for Detroit. Detroit is growing like crazy! Their economy is doing great! People are constantly moving in and homebuilders can't keep up with the demand for homes. In fact, there is a waiting list to get into the state of Michigan because there's no room!

Yes, the promise of jobs and a rebounding economy come with every gambling proposal. Ohioans are just smart enough not to buy them.

If you look back in history, the casino's are what is perceived to be the reason why Atlantic City revived itself. Not that that shouldn't be a focus for economic development, but casino's bring with them big dollar investor's. What's missing largely from Toledo are individual venture capitalists -- people with money ready to invest.

Brian, you are a conservative Republican, am I correct? Isn't one of the main principles of the Republican party is for less government regulation and less government intrusion. What gives the government right to keep me from gambling?

"Yes, the promise of jobs and a rebounding economy come with every gambling proposal. Ohioans are just smart enough not to buy them."

And what is the smart way to rebound this economy Brian? A lot of the conservative Republicans on this blog seem to think that its' absolutely wrong of the Democratically controlled City Council to be regulating the convenience stores in Toledo -- they, City Council, arguing that it lure's bad people to the area. Would you agree with their assessment or disagree? Do you think it is right for government to say what businesses can and cannot be established? Its' the same argument that is applied to casino gambling, however, when it is applied to that business model all of the conservatives get riled up saying it will be end to morality as we know it.

There are so many double standards in the Republican party these days.

Gambling in the State of Ohio should be legalized -- across the board.

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This is NOT a republican/democrat thing and never was. It's about fairness (by the way, virtually every newspaper in OheilO said tio reject the gambling, and Block and his ilk are HARDLY arch-conservatives). If and when they just plain legalize gambling IN THE STATE period, with no restrictions, I'll vote for it. I will NOT vote to put ONE casino in one of the Three "Cs", nor will I vote to limit the number of gambling houses in any way, shape, or form. And there's no way in hell one casino is going to bring 5000 jobs, let alone 10, 000. That was one of the biggest lies ever told.

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Oh I absolutely agree. I wonder why a blanket legalization proposal hasn't been on the ballot yet.

The casino could, altogether, bring 5,000 jobs but it will be in total. Construction jobs, temp jobs, security jobs, etc. But continuing employment would not reach 5,000.

First, Conservative doesnt necessarily mean Republican.

Do you think it is right for government to say what businesses can and cannot be established?

Issue 6 would've done just that. As a gambler who wants local gambling issue 6 would prevent that from happening. DTW is currently the closest place you can go for a casino, and if issue 6 prevailed, that would not change, because the one and only casino that issue 6 would've allowed is FARTHER away than DTW.

Toledo once HAD a casino a hundred years ago. If you gamblers want another one, than issue 6 was a sure way to see that this did NOT happen.

In your final statement you point out double standards, and end with Gambling in the State of Ohio should be legalized -- across the board

If issue 6 passed, then gambling would NOT be legalized in Ohio "across the board".

Isnt that a double standard in and of itself?

Billy, there is one place where you went wrong -- I never once agreed with Issue 6. I voted NO on issue 6 for reason's I already stated above -- it provided a monopoly which leads to higher prices and less customer satisfaction. I WANT legalized gambling across the board.

You're correct -- conservatives don't mean Republicans, because many of the newly elected Democrat's this time around are conservative Democrats. Where I go into the Republican/Conservative is strictly for Brian Schwartz, whose been throwing around the term liberal in other posts as if conservatives and Republicans offer any sweeter of an alternative. I may be mistaken, but based on his post he seemed quite against legalizing gambling -- at which point I am simply calling him out because I am quite sick of seeing the number of people on this blog who seem to hold conservative principles but contradict those very own principles while attacking everyone else as liberal socialists. I found it striking that anti-liberal Brian seemed to think it was right to ban particular businesses from the state.

Tpp, those people aren't "missing". They're here, but they have remarkably different aims than you're apparently assuming. They'd much rather stick their money into a highly-speculative instrument like a derivative, than dirty their money with opening a business locally.

Toledo is basically, economically modeled on a Medieval system of rights and responsibilities. That means that the responsibilities tend to fall almost entirely upon the workers, and that the rights tend to fall almost entirely upon the owners. All that union labor hid this feudal system quite well, but the underclasses of Toledo (invisible to John Robinson Block) have well known the truth. I was told once and stereotypically by one of Toledo perpetual-underclass that "if you don't have money, you're nobody in Toledo".

Toledo is all about class war, but in the past tense ... since the workers long ago LOST that war, and insurgently just snipe from afar as they groan in their misery. A massive expansion of consumer credit also hid this system of misery for a long time, and allowed Czarty and the rest from 1985 onward to pretend that Toledo's flight of capital wouldn't lead to ruin. But all the blinders and fakes and distractions are now GONE. The union jobs are essentially gone. Industry has largely fled. Long-term jobs are too rare to ever plan to obtain. Credit has collapsed. Foreclosures are rampant. Buying property at 1/3 to 1/2 of assessed value is common. And the population of Toledo has fallen to the level of the year 1950.

"Tpp, those people aren't "missing". They're here, but they have remarkably different aims than you're apparently assuming. They'd much rather stick their money into a highly-speculative instrument like a derivative, than dirty their money with opening a business locally."

I apologize. You're right, I shouldn't assume that TOLEDO'S venture capitalists are REAL venture capitalists that invest in locally owned businesses that provide tangible goods.

However, I will say I am impressed with the RGP. I have been working with them lately, and they are a good start for the area. Toledo needs to rid itself of recycled politicians and dilute the influence of the Block family. Its too bad that not more individuals in Toledo, outside of the recycled politicians, run for office. However, I do see hope in Tom Waniewski.

when the truth is that Ted Strickland (D) Ohio is the one against Gambling.

http://www.archive.org/stream/nationalimpactof00unit/nationalimpactof00u...

"Yesterday, the Ohio House waved through a few changes to the state's anti-gambling bill that are intended to reassure bowling alley owners and operators of sports tournaments that the law won't sideswipe them.

The House's final 84-10 vote, with no discussion, will put the anti-gambling legislation on Strickland's desk within days. The governor plans to sign the bill as soon as he gets it, a spokesman said.

After that happens, no wagering machine will legally be able to pay any amount of cash or noncash prizes worth more than $10. The law also would expand the definition of slot machines, which are illegal in Ohio, to include skill games such as Tic Tac Fruit, Puzzlebug and Treasure Quest."
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2007/10/...

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

You're right, I think Ted Strickland is WRONG on this issue. However, do not excuse the social conservative Republicans who lobby hard AGAINST this issue. But I agree, Strickland is simply WRONG on this issue.

TPP,

Yes, I am a conservative Republican. However, I am also an individual capable of independent thought and sometimes don't agree with the conservative Republican orthodoxy. Here is one instance.

I also support legally sanctioned civil unions for gays. I would leave it to churches to decide whether or not they should be married.

I guess it's time for the "real" Republicans to call me a RINO.

I'll vote in favor of casino gambling in Ohio if it simply opens the door for any casino operator to set up shop in the state in accordance with the free-market system, and without amending the state constitution. Issue 6 allowed one business free reign--that's different than free-market competition.

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First, Conservative doesnt necessarily mean Republican.
-Billy
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