Toledo Move to Amend: Creating Democracy & Challenging Corporate Rule

“Creating Democracy & Challenging Corporate Rule”
September 3, 2014
Evening Presentation, Free and Open to the Public:
“Creating Democracy & Challenging Corporate Rule”
WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3, 2014
7:00-9:00 PM
UPDATE: Youtube video: Move to Amend with David Cobb https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKBsM232Zk
WHO:

Move to Amend is a non-partisan national coalition of over 350,000 people and organizations whose goal is to amend the US Constitution to end corporate rule and get money out of politics. David Cobb, a Move to Amend national spokesperson and former Green Party presidential candidate, is currently touring the Bluegrass & Buckeye States in an effort to build connections, inspire activism, and reveal the origins of corporate power in America.

WHAT:

David’s presentation "Creating Democracy & Challenging Corporate Rule" outlines the history of the American Constitution as it pertains to Corporate Personhood and illegitimate but legal corporate constitutional rights. It will be followed by a facilitated discussion session and Q&A. Mr. Cobb aims to help local folks understand how they can work to abolish corporate personhood and establish a government truly of, by, and for the people.

WHERE:
University of Toledo Driscoll Alumni Center
https://movetoamend.org/%E2%80%9Ccreating-democracy-challenging-corporat...
Auditorium (Room DC 1019)
Bancroft Street at University Hills Boulevard

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Here's a list of Move to Amend's member organizations. It's possible you belong and didn't even know it. (Programming note to Fred: It's chock-full of Occupy groups.)

https://movetoamend.org/organizations

Patience is a great virtue.

What's your point Fred? Always with the partisan crap but claims to be a Libertarian. You complain about Eric Cantor selling out his constituents to Wall Street then now cast aspersions on a group trying to make a difference. Money has taken over our country. It bullshits the uninformed with its propaganda network that arguably Fred you are a part of. Many have said that we are at an inflection point. We need publicly funded elections period. Don't listen to the WSPD naysayer. I've been to some of these events and the group is mixed with a goal of getting the country back to the people.

Koch Brothers Invade Tiny Iron County, Wisconsin
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/25/koch-brothers-invade-ti...

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Uh my reply is below your comment about casting aspersions. Is it possible I am so far embedded in your psyche that you reply to me without even noticing it was someone else who commented on your story first. Nothing I said cast aspersions, I just like the name of one of the groups backing this effort. Never even commented on the effort itself.

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My favorite-National Consortium of What's Happening Now- I used to love that show.

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Ridiculous. The best ways to remove corporate rule are twofold:

1. Downsize the absurd size of our federal and state governments. The federal government is provably 12 times larger than it should be since 1940, since the federal budget has grown over the long term about two-and-a-half times more rapidly (8.5% yearly) than long-term inflation and population growth (3.5% yearly).

2. Stop borrowing and spending like there's no tomorrow. That also means to stop buying up the production of these corporations, since that just greatly empowers them. Stop being
just a stupid consumer and return to being a citizen.

WHOOPS! Darn me, I just told Americans to be their antithesis.

Before we all jump on the Move to Amend bandwagon and demand the beheadings of the Kochs, Soros and others who have billions to play with, we have to consider the impact of removing all that dark money from our political system. What if, for example, there's no cash to pay for all those nasty TV attack ads we've come to enjoy and expect? Do we really want go through an election season without those?

Patience is a great virtue.

Pass a law, or better yet a Constitutional Amendment (in light of SCOTUS ruling that corporations have FREE SPEECH and RELIGION) that requires all donations to come from individual human beings (since as Romney said, corporations are people too, my friend, hence "human beings" and not "people") and uncaps all donations. The only thing to tack on here is a pass-thru provision that individuals can choose to donate to a PAC with full disclosure that they donated $X to a PAC, but the PAC then must list what IT pays to whom (campaigns DIRECTLY, no other middlemen) and have a publicly reviewable budget/list of expenses. That way if you want to give to Koch-PAC or I want to give to Pirate Party PAC and let them disburse the money rather than have to give to 10 different candidates, that's allowed, but it's a public record that you and I coughed up dough and a public record that the PACs coughed up dough to their targets and spent however much else on advertising and compensation for people etc.

Sound fair?

Move to Amend - Creating Democracy and Challenging Corporate Rule, with David Cobb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKBsM232Zk

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Not able to attend last night, so I had a friend go for me and report on the crowd size which hovered around 100. Giving this fringe group the benefit of the doubt I will up it and say 150. The population of Toledo, not the entire county, is app. 287K so using those figures 0.05226 of the available citizens cared enough about this to show up. Not a very good number. Being even more generous I will add 50 more imaginary people and still the percentage of those who care about this topic reaches only 0.0696% very sad turnout. Those in attendance already are aware of the topic and seemed to spend most of the time congratualting each other on their outreach to the community at local events, and the huge success they've had on petition signatures.

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Fred what ever happened to the WSPD sponsored Rant & Rave at the Whitehouse Inn? Even with all the promotion from WSPD the attendance was dismal. 5 to 10 maybe! Nobody cares about WSPD corporate shill radio. Just keep that organ grinder monkey hat on and entertain us with your foolish Soupy Sales hijinks.

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I have no idea what Rant & Rave at the Whitehouse Inn to which you are referring. Is this question supposed to show that the low number of people at the Move To Amend meeting is somehow related to a low number of people at a radio event? I don't get the correlation.

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I just realized what mrignorant was referring to, it was called Beers 'N Bull at Chowder and Moor in Waterville.. It was meant as an informal get together to fill a small room they have and to talk about crap that bothers people. As you can see from the pic it served it's purpose. The room was full and food was being served.

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Must of been the first one then the word got out the host was full of negative BS! How many after the initial one? Four maybe?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/4183

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We scheduled for 5, we did 5. The idea wasn't to get a "movement" like it is for Move To Amend it was to fill that room and sell food. Still not sure how the lack of interest in Move To Amend relates to my event. Isn't move to amend a national movement with this list of supporters https://movetoamend.org/organizations ? Hell I'm just a high school educated, 3 hour working, opinionated talk show host. How can I compete with that.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

When are you monkeys going to admit that there needs to be a severe cultural change before this sort of stuff will result in real reform?

Most Americans know, deep down, that when you "Challenge Corporate Rule" you automatically out yourself to your peers are being some impoverished weirdo who shops at Goodwill and has no health insurance. The propaganda system has worked so well that any move against corporations is automatically tattooed with the mark of some anti-capitalist dipshit.

I didn't make these rules, please note. This is just how it is.

Hence the first place where these changes must happen, is in your own home, and in the home of your friends and family. And if they kick you to the curb since they wrap their credit-card billing statements around their dicks, then you need to find new friends and family. This is a war, of sorts. A spiritual war. A cultural war. And it can't be won by making friends, or even making enemies, but by killing off what's wrong. If it means you spit on yuppies when they walk by, then so be it... that's what must happen.

The very idea of borrow-and-spend must be demonized again. I don't care how it gets done. In the past, living high off the hog was viewed as being immoral. That was also a church issue. Today, the churches have turned into total money whores, following the paradigm of prosperity preaching (after which they hand out the collection plate). So perhaps there is a good place where these changes have to start. If you find your priest up the on the pulpit leading you all on with this money-money-money shit, then stand up right in the middle of the service and point out his Mammon-esque hairstyle. After all, this is war, and eventually you're going to have to fire a shot. You can't be squeamish.

So too must the seculars stand up and denounce this heavy cultural dependence on money, credit and spending. Credit must be denounced. White people need to stop signing high mortgages in the exurbs. Credit cards must be yanked away from children and cut up. Etc.

Or just give up. If you're not willing to fight this on a basic level, when you've already lost. Stop complaining, too, since your own monthly bills and consumption habits condemn you. There's no point in complaining about corporate rule when they have your balls in the wringer, which you placed there voluntarily. Slaves who love the touch of iron, look like morons when they complain about the weight of their chains.

http://billmoyers.com/episode/elizabeth-warren-on-fighting-back-against-...

http://billmoyers.com/2014/09/05/web-extra-elizabeth-warren-on-why-ill-n...

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Funny you would mention her. Let's check her voting record about 'fighting' Wall Street, shall we?

http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/141272/elizabeth-warren#.VA3A8c...

Her voting record clearly indicates that she approves of massive spending, tax breaks, and most of all, continued borrowing. All of that benefits Wall Street.

You're an idiot. Even her vote on the "Bring Jobs Home Act" shows she still supports tax credits for moving money around. She's a part of the imperial apparatus. She's changing nothing. Corporate rule remains firm under her guiding hand. I listened to her plenty, and noted that once her mouth got her into a position of power, she just followed the pack. She knew that Liberals are morons and are easy to fool at the ballot box.

While I'm beating you up in this thread, let's take a look at her Yea vote on the "Limits Interest Rates for Certain Federal Student Loans" legislation. Interest rates should be enormous now, since as men educated in economics (i.e. not Liberals) know, the interest rate reflects the price of money, and the price of money is determined by demand. Today there's a huge demand for money. Hence, interest rates should be 15% or more. That should be the very least interest rate on something as farcical and suicidally risky as a student loan... after all, there's no collateral whatsoever for the loan. Also, college education isn't a right or necessity; it's a privilege and luxury. Yet Warren is right in there, voting to make sure that student loans are cheap and therefore plentiful.

Who does that benefit? WALL STREET.

Gz you make no sense. Your arguments must of came from the planet Zeldon.
Tim Geithner on Why Obama Passed Over Elizabeth Warren to Head the Consumer Protection Bureau
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/05/tim-geithner-book-obama-elizabet...

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You find it hard to follow since reality crosses your Liberal ideology. The reality is, once Warren hit the Senate, she had nothing to do with 'fighting' Wall Street. She's another imperial politician, voting the way the empire needs her to vote:

YES on more spending. YES on more borrowing. YES on a massive military.

All those support the financial apparatus of the empire, which in our age is Wall Street.

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