Rand Paul: Ask Dick Cheney about Iraq War

Rand Paul: Ask Dick Cheney about Iraq War
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/rand-paul-dick-cheney-iraq-war-108...
Quote from article:

"In an interview with NBC’s “Meet the Press” that will air Sunday, when host David Gregory asked Paul if he found former Vice President Dick Cheney to be a credible critic of the president, Paul responded “I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/rand-paul-dick-cheney-iraq-war-108...

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Thank you Rand Paul.

Yes, there are more than a few questions we should ask that dick Cheney.

At present, the right wing nuts and neo- con-jobs in this country are mounting a huge effort to sweep a lot of history under the rug. And, wouldn't you know, the Cheneys are right out front doing their part. It's no wonder they want to blame everything on Obama; Cheney and his ilk are too cowardly to take responsibility for their part in destabilizing the whole region. Too bad a lot of useful idiots will be fooled once again by Cheney's lies. Let's watch and see how many get fooled again here on Swampbubbles. I can think of a few who are already swallowing the bull.

Stasi: Dick Cheney's Op-Ed about the war in Iraq is full of lies
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stasi-dick-cheney-op-ed-war-ira...

Quote from article:

"It’s particularly interesting that Dickie’s Op-Ed appeared in the bible of finance, and yet there was no mention of the financial burden his 12-year war has put upon us taxpaying slobs.
Estimates go as high as $6 trillion, even though the Bush administration had predicted the whole thing would cost between $100 and $200 billion, done, finished, the end. It’s particularly interesting that Dickie’s Op-Ed appeared in the bible of finance, and yet there was no mention of the financial burden his 12-year war has put upon us taxpaying slobs. That bit of over-budgeting comes to about $75,000 for every U.S. household.
Dick, formerly the CEO of Halliburton, also forgot to mention that a Halliburton subsidiary, KBR, reaped $39.5 billion from the war, according to the Financial Times."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/stasi-dick-cheney-op-ed-war-ira...

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

you'll note that Rand Paul is warning about what he calls "Iranian hegemony" in the region. I wrote about this problem at this forum on 6-14. And, as Rand Paul confirms, the situation we face in Iraq IS a direct result of our military intervention under W and Cheney. Apparently, Rand Paul may have actually read Bush #41's book, unlike Bush #43 who stated that he never read his father's book.

Dick Cheney is a draft-dodging coward, a false patriot, and a consummate liar. While he avoided fighting in a war himself, he has no problem sending other Americans to war. Cheney should stop giving us more information revealing how duplicitous he is. For his own good and his own reputation, Cheney should just shut up and skulk quietly away.

Pat Buchanan: "Bush And The Neocons" To Blame For Iraq Crisis, Not Obama
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/06/16/pat_buchanan_bush_and_...

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http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/statements/2013/mar/24/liberals-are...

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As being a Draft Dodger than your right otherwise you're not.

Romney and Trump also had very high draft numbers, meaning that although they were eligible for military service, their numbers were never called. The first draft lottery for Vietnam occurred on Dec. 1, 1969.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

It's so easy to send others off to war.
Of course, the way Cheney shoots, the rest of our troops may have been better off with his NOT serving in Vietnam!

No Dale there is a difference between not serving and being unwilling to serve. Likewise I don't consider taking a education exception to be draft dodging.

There were many people who took education exceptions who graduated and were later drafted or entered the service on their own right. So if someone went to college instead I wouldn't label them a draft dodger. If we do that we can label anyone who didn't serve a draft dodger.

MikeyA

I was alive at the time. I know a draft dodger when I see one. You're right. Not everyone with a student deferment was a draft dodger, but, and this is a big BUT, those who truly believe in war as a weapon for international diplomacy volunteer to fight in wars. John Kerry could have avoided serving. He volunteered. Cheney could have volunteered. He avoided serving.
But, Cheney has no problem sending people like you into combat in a quagmire which may be even less justified than was our involvement in Vietnam. Cheney can't even admit that W's Iraq War was not only unjustifiable, but, indeed, a waste of precious American human, military, and monetary resources.
No, wait. It was worse than that. W's Iraq War has led to what Rand Paul describes as "Iranian hegemony" in the region. Remember Iran? That Islamic extremist state; a real home to terrorists? Bush #41 wrote about how removing Saddam from power would force the United States to be in Iraq for an indeterminate amount of time, or watch Iraq collapse. Bush #43 didn't listen to his father. He listened to Cheney the Coward instead! It's merely a coincidence that the Halliburton stock in Cheney the Coward's "blind trust" did so well. The most common estimates I have seen are that Halliburton received nearly $40,000,000,000 in government contracts for W's Iraq War. Cheney received millions in salary, and made tens of millions in stock options from Halliburton. Ain't "blind" trusts grand? That's what you and your colleagues in the Middle East are putting your butts on the line for, Mikey...to line the pockets of cowards like Dick Cheney.
In the spirit of full disclosure, I purchased Exxon-Mobil stock in 2001, because America elected an oilman as POTUS. As of today, that stock, which I still own, is up 394.28%. Wish I had had millions to invest, or millions in stock options. My profit is in the thousands, though. That's a lot of money for me!

OOPS! Had to duck. Cheney was shooting at a deer. Whew, that was close! He's so manly, you know...sending others off to kill and die for dubious goals. Just ask Rand Paul.

The proper thing we should have done from the start was stay the hell out of that area. The proper thing for us to have done in response to the FIRST WTC bombing was grab bin Laden's aass from his cave using SEAL Team Six or whatever and drop him rolled up in a carpet in front of the J. Edgar Hoover building. The proper response to 9/11 should have been SEAL Team Six finding bin Laden's camp and disappearing the entire al-Qaeda leadership, or leaving them there dead and holding their heads in their laps.

Minimal expense, minimal exposure, plausible deniability. All excellent CONSERVATIVE CONCEPTS that 99% of the right gave up in favor of HUGE EXPENSIVE WARS WITH MINIMAL PLANNING.

Such is why I loathe all you so-called conservatives. Have the balls to admit your wars were stupid.

were stupid. Libs were right.. And I agree with your assessments on what we should of done with them.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Dude are you trying to make Satan ice skate today?

Ok so the determination as to who is a draft doger is "those Dale Pertchek sees and then he can tell". So it's based upon your opinion instead of facts.

An example of your distortion of facts is your characterization of George W. Bush's record.

He served honorably in the National Guard during the Vietnam War. No one has ever shown that to be different. In fact, every attempt to show that has been proven to be falsified.

So the excuse me Dale if I rely on facts rather than your opinion.

Secondly, you assess Cheney's reason to send people to war is to "line his pockets". This too has been proven to be false. One could make the arguement that it was to line the pockets of his friends but even this is a heavily biased opinion based upon a very narrow reading of the facts.

Please don't let partisianship cloud your normally sound opinion.

MikeyA

I will admit that many Southern states, including Texas, were kept safe by W. However, all of us who were around during the Vietnam War era knew of people who were draft eligible and wanted to get into a National Guard unit. Many did. Some who did were children of people who were "connected." And, yes, there is some resentment against those who avoided service in Vietnam by those who did go to Vietnam, and by those of us who, while having a medical deferment, had friends and/or relatives who fought and died there. When I was in DC a few weeks ago, my wife and I did go to the Vietnam Memorial wall and find my friend's name: Gerald J. Budbill. I will never forget Gerry.

Maybe tens of millions of dollars from Halliburton in the form of salary and stock options does not qualify as "lining his pockets" to you, but it does to me. Now, I also never stated that Cheney's ONLY motivation for wanting the Iraq War under W was to line his pockets, but as long as Cheney perceived the war to be such a good thing for the U.S. to do, might as well get Halliburton as much money as possible. Why not? Gotta help that "blind trust" after all. [Psst...no peeking.]

Furthermore, nothing you have written negates the facts that, unlike what W's Administration seemed to believe, W's Iraq War was NOT short and sweet. Only in the Kurdish areas were the Americans widely received as liberators. Under W's leadership American officials searched and searched for years and NEVER FOUND WMDs! There was never a link established between Saddam's regime and those who attacked the U.S. on 9/11. In fact, Osama and most of the Al Qaeda leadership, viscerally HATED Saddam Hussein, whom they perceived to be a secularist and a turncoat to pure Islam.

Finally, Cheney and most of the advisors surrounding W did not foresee the strengthening of Iran arising directly from the removal of Saddam's admittedly evil regime in Iraq, even though, and this is a vitally important fact, they had all been warned of this very occurrence by Bush #41 in his book. Did any of them read that book?
I guess, Mikey, that you have a problem with Rand Paul declaring that there is now "Iranian hegemony" in the Middle East resulting directly from W's Iraq War.

Service in the National Guard is not a pass on war. National Guard members get called to war all the time and such was the case in Vietnam. Had Bush been selected to go to Vietnam he would have no choice unless he met a waiver requirement i.e. hardship. He was never selected so no one can say he was avoiding Vietnam.

There are only three contractors who do the type of contracting that Haliburton (KBR) was selected to do. Dyncorp and Fluor are the others. In 2003, KBR was the only one at the time with the infrastructure to meet all aspects of the contract. If it wasn't awarded to KBR it would have had to been separated and each part put up for bid. Doing that drives up the costs of the scope of work. When Fluor and Dyncorp could meet all aspects of the contract it was rebid. http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/06/29/businesspro-kbr-contract-dc-id... I'm sorry but the complaint you lodge is a partisian attack and is devoid of understanding on how military contracts are awarded.

MikeyA

Fact -- W's unit was never sent to Vietnam. Coincidence?
Fact -- Cheney never volunteered as John Kerry did.
Fact -- Cheney made tens of millions of dollars from Halliburton.
Fact -- No WMDs were EVER found in Iraq after W's war.
Fact -- No connection was ever found between Saddam and Osama's 9/11 attacks.

YOU continue to defend the undefendable Cheney the Coward. Then you accuse me of being partisan? Give me a break!

Wow

Wow, ok let's go through these.

National Guard units don't alwayd deploy as a unit. Most times... just individuals in that unit do. This is very common among pilots which George W. was.

Just because someone didn't volunteer does not make them a draft dodger. Getting your draft number called OR deceiving or attempting to deceive the draft board constitutes a draft dodger. Also Cheney was 26 in 1967 and thus no longer eligible for the draft, the first Vietnam draft lottery took place on 1 December 1969.

Most of the money he made was before he was VP. The money he made as VP was deferred.

Don't care. I supported and still support the Iraq war because Hussein was a bad guy. Plus a lot of Dems to include the Clintons thought Iraq had WMDs as well.

Don't care.-see above

I call you a partisian because you took the facts and either outright distorted them or used a very narrow reading to reach a conclusion based upon a political opinion.

MikeyA

That's OK. Just admit it.
The Clintons, and I at the time, were making our judgments based upon the information we were given by W's Administration. This information proved to be fallacious. Some believe W, Cheney, and others, purposely misled people like the Clintons and me. Others believe W, Cheney, and others, paid far too little attention to intelligence that did not meet their intended actions of having some good excuse to attack Iraq. Others still, feel that the intelligence agencies purposely misled W's Administration because they thought that another war in Iraq would finish off Saddam, which is what they felt should have been done during Operation Desert Storm.
None of these scenarios change the facts that Cheney could have volunteered to serve in Vietnam (many patriots who were not imminently facing the draft DID volunteer) and did not, while John Kerry could have very likely avoided going to Vietnam and volunteered instead. So, who is the true patriot...the man who volunteers and goes into combat. or the man who does not volunteer and allows others to fight a war in his stead? Then, many years later, Cheney the Coward sends a new generation of the best and brightest Americans to fight in a war that we were all warned by a distinguished former Republican POTUS, George H.W. Bush, would be an endless struggle and/or a losing proposition. And, as Rand Paul believes for good reason, this war created "Iranian hegemony" in the Middle East. Your real argument, Mikey, is with Rand Paul!

There is actually statements from the Clintons saying that about WMDs before Bush took office.

Just because "some" believe one thing or another does not make it a fact.

Just because Cheney could have volunteered doesn't make him any less fitting of a leader as those who did. What is true is that Cheney was not a draft dodger. As a person who serves this country I believe patriots are people who serve their country... and there are other ways to serve than through the military. Not everyone is cut out for military service.

You call Cheney a coward yet I've used facts to prove your claim of him "draft dodging" wrong. The current President never served, yet that didn't stop him from using the American military in Libya, I could use the same line you used. Biden never served and received educational deferrments too... is he a draft dodger? Using your definition he is.

I have no problem with Rand Paul. It's just he's wrong on Iran. It's ok. Everybody is wrong sometimes.

MikeyA

So, when Chimpy McFlightsuit went AWOL from the National Guard, was that "not serving" or "being unwilling to serve"?

George W. Bush's military service
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=George_W._Bush%27s_military_s...
From article:
"In January 1968 Bush was set to graduate from Yale University, making him eligible for the draft and, in all likelihood, service in Vietnam. Bush sought entry into the officer corps of the Texas Air National Guard, which would minimise his chances of being dispatched to Vietnam. Despite scoring low on the entrance exam, Bush was accepted."

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

This quote was interesting from DP "those who truly believe in war as a weapon for international diplomacy volunteer to fight in wars. John Kerry could have avoided serving. He volunteered. " That would indicate that Kerry believes in war as a weapon for international diplomacy, or am I reading this wrong.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

It's obvious that Cheney the Coward believes that war is a valuable tool of international diplomacy...as long as he doesn't have to put HIS BUTT on the line. He's GREAT at sending others into battle! And, if the world is worse off for the wasteful war, who cares, as long as Cheney makes a small fortune from the adventure?
So Fred, apparently, you're comfortable with the U.S. spending trillions of dollars, and throwing away the lives of thousands of our best and brightest, in order to rid the world of WMDs which were never found, and eliminating Saddam and his regime which had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the 9/11 attacks, thereby allowing what Rand Paul states is "Iranian hegemony" in the Middle East. Hmmm...
Fred, with all due respect, you can't defend well the undefendable Cheney the Coward. He throws away more money by accident than you and I have made in our entire working lives! And so much of his wealth was garnered while he was Vice President and his holdings were in a so-called "blind trust." That's the problem with Republicans of modest means. They truly believe that most Republican office holders are working in their best interests, when, in reality, most elected Republicans at the state and federal levels are working for the super-rich and the giant corporations.

Vast majority of Americans feel Iraq war wasn’t worth it
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/poll-majority-americans-feel-war-iraq-wasnt-w...
Quote:
"According to a poll released by NBC News/The Wall Street Journal/Annenberg, 71% of Americans said the United States’ 2003 invasion of Iraq and overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s government was not worth the cost. The overwhelmingly negative sentiment marks a dramatic increase over the last year and a half, when just 59% of Americans responded the same way."

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Iran IS directly involved with propping up their its Shias in Iraq.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/world/middleeast/iran-iraq.html?emc=ed...

What a strange combination of allies in the quagmires that are Iraq and Syria!
Sometimes the best action is inaction.

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