AN OPEN LETTER FROM JOE THE PLUMBER: To the parents of the victims murdered by Elliot Rodger

AN OPEN LETTER: To the parents of the victims murdered by Elliot Rodger
Read more at http://barbwire.com/2014/05/27/open-letter-parents-victims-murdered-elli...
Sincerely;

Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher

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The fifteen minutes are up, Joe.

His 15 minutes would have expired long ago if the media had chosen not to repeatedly give him the spotlight. There should be a "No Joe" rule enforced in newsrooms.

Patience is a great virtue.

FREEDOM OF SPEECH! FIRST AMENDMENT! FAIR AND BALANCED!

potato.

True enough. I have no problem with Joe going downtown and shouting his beliefs and opinions from the courthouse steps. I do have a problem with the Blade and other news outlets giving him free publicity and wide dissemination. Joe could also benefit from a course on tact and timing. I see a parallel here with the strange church pastor who had his flock stage protests at soldiers' funerals. I think the amount of media attention he received also was undeserved.

Patience is a great virtue.

Joe the Plumber’s ‘Dead Kid’ Callousness
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/29/joe-the-plumber-s-dead-...
Quote:
"My mother was the principal of Sandy Hook elementary. I’m sorry my loss inconveniences you, Joe. But you’re the one who’s out of touch."

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Political ‘celebrities’ often overstay their 15 minutes of fame. By a lot.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/05/28/political-cele...
Quote from article:
"Given the reappearance of Joe the Plumber on the national stage this week (he wrote to the families of the weekend's shooting rampage that "your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights"), we figured it was about time that we developed a metric for figuring out just how far past their allotted 15 minutes various political celebrities are. And so we did."

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

idiot!

A Ann Coulter wannabe! He's lucky he works in a union shop that allows protection for free speech. Do you think Fred Lefebvre could speak out against Citizen's United or against Americans for Prosperity and still continue to work at WSPD?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Yes, if The Powers That Be found it advantageous for him to do so and jerked his strings accordingly.

A Ann Coulter wannabe! He's lucky he works in a union shop that allows protection for free speech. Do you think Fred Lefebvre could speak out against Citizen's United or against Americans for Prosperity and still continue to work at WSPD?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Twila, go back to Facebook. Please. Your racist opinions aren't wanted here.

"As harsh as this sounds – your dead kids don’t trump my Constitutional rights."

What's the problem? This quote is totally true. No amount of victims trumps your Constitutionally-recognized liberties. Every time there's a mass shooting, there's precisely ZERO need to change the laws.

I'm not sure if you could call this change, but repealing a few of the unconstitutional gun control laws would be a step in the right direction.

Joe is, of course, perfectly correct. No number of victims should suppress any part of the Bill of Rights, but you won't convince the Moonbats of that. All speech should be free so long as that speech is politically correct and supports the liberal, whiney screed of the day.

Mad Jack
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I'm not sure if you could call this change, but repealing a few of the unconstitutional gun control laws would be a step in the right direction.

Joe is, of course, perfectly correct. No number of victims should suppress any part of the Bill of Rights, but you won't convince the Moonbats of that. All speech should be free so long as that speech is politically correct and supports the liberal, whiney screed of the day.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

The type of person you are shows through in how you say things.

Just because the statement is true doesn't make Joe any less of an ass for writing it. But, that's just Joe. He made an ass of himself back when he said "put a damned fence on the border going to Mexico and start shooting". He thinks it makes him manly when he gets all "no political correctness". What the idiot doesn't understand is that there is a difference between political correctness and decency.

I'm all for Joe's right to free speech; it lets us all see exactly how his brain works. He is an insensitive ass of the first degree.

I believe his work as a temporary UAW laborer at Toledo Jeep must be one hell of a time. As a former Jeep employee I imagine his union steward must be working overtime putting out hostel fires this clown has started. A team player he is not causing dissension in the ranks. Its hard to fathom Human Resources decision in hiring him. He will need the full attention of the UAW to protect his indecent antisocial mouth. And you know the UAW will protect him whether they agree or disagree, contractually he's afforded protection as a union member.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

And the way I understand it from someone who worked with you is that you should have been showing up to work on the Short Bus. Don't sit there and speak about the first amendment in your little tagline, and then bitch when someone else uses that amendment to their advantage. Get over it Puppyfart. You're irrelevant.

"He will need the full attention of the UAW to protect his indecent antisocial mouth. And you know the UAW will protect him whether they agree or disagree, contractually he's afforded protection as a union member."

Are you saying that union members are inherently violent and unable to respond to words with more words?

MikeyA

I'm saying who ever hired Joe did not realize he's not a team player. Working at a modern auto assembly factory takes a team spirit of cooperation. Joe, by his actions, draws controversy and dissension among his coworkers. I worked in a supervisory position for over a decade and dealt with individuals of this demeanor. Capt. Arthur as a marine and a counselor you know that moral is most important. When you have someone who feeds on negativity and division this is not good for the team and ultimately they spend their time on non productive actions other than building great cars.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Mr. Independent, you have a knack for making people like Joe the Plumber sound eloquent, well-reasoned and profound by comparison.

Patience is a great virtue.

Well apparently he is a good team player because he hasn't gotten fired. Because someone who works on an assembly line, if they don't work well with others, should be let go. Don't you agree?

I doubt you worked in a supervisory position as you seem to lack an understanding of the basic tenets of leadership. I could be wrong. You could have been a bad supervisor.

An example of not understanding the basic tenets of leadership "When you have someone who feeds on negativity and division this is not good for the team" I'm going to call my Senior Drill Instructor right now and tell him his constant yelling and screaming were not good for our team in bootcamp. LOL

If you're going to attempt to call me by my name I would appreciate it if you called me by MY name.

MikeyA

Oh will you look at that, a REPUBLICAN who thinks unions let people be fired! Quick, grab the nets, we must capture this creature and put it in a zoo!

And for the benefit of the even slower Republicans on this board: that was sarcasm.

Well apparently you're one of the slower Dems on the site.

I don't really believe they would fire him. That's the point. I was painting Paul into a corner. He thinks Joe should be fired for his comments, yet the union doesn't let their people be fired.

The post was displaying the hypocrisy of the union membership.

MikeyA

Michael you either are suffering from PTSD or have a learning disability. I never said any of that twisted crap. Its no wonder your make believe college education landed you a job in material handling for the Marine Corp. My comment was the union will defend Joe even if he's a misguided fool.
http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/mrindependent/20140527/open-letter-joe-plu...

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

You stated he was not a team player, doesn't work with the spirit of cooperation, and that he wasn't productive.

So you're defending a union employee who is not productive and works counter to the work of his fellow employees.

MikeyA

You stated he was not a team player, doesn't work with the spirit of cooperation, and that he wasn't productive.

So you're defending a union employee who is not productive and works counter to the work of his fellow employees.

MikeyA

Joe The Plumber (an Auto Union Member) Might Become the Next Cliven Bundy If Republicans Deem Him a Liability
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/joe-the-plumber-an-auto-u_b_54...
Quote:
"The sad reality is that Joe The Plumber is being used by Republicans in the same manner Sean Hannity used the Cliven Bundy saga to bash the government. Joe The Plumber should realize that one wrong move -- a slip of the tongue, or perhaps even his real thoughts on race or American history -- could result in abandonment by the same people who made him famous."

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

"I worked in a supervisory position for over a decade " LMFAO

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I've seen this kind of employee many times over the years. At my old plant many people did go from Production to Management. There are certain benefits for doing that. For one, they get out of paying union dues as long as they remain on Mgt. They also get to push people around, at their own discretion, up to and including giving employees unpaid forced time off, and even firing people. Another stunt they pull is to go back to their old blue collar job just before they retire. Where I worked the retirement package was better for union employees than for supervisors. After retirement, some of these types go online and nail themselves to crosses, preaching to the rest of us as to how great they are thanks to unions.

I almost forgot another very important reason many of these types go on Supervision is the "dirt factor". They don't have to worry about getting any dirt on themselves unless they happen to brush up against something that is dirty.

Pretty lame G-Man! Do you feel better now? Thanks for sharing!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

And every time you babble about how you support unions, I'll point out different stunts supervisors in union shops pull, Mr. Clean Hands.

The Toledo Blade
Sunday 6/1/2014
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Words by ‘Joe’ far from consoling

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Letters-to-the-Editor/2014/06/01/Words-by-Joe...
Quote from The Toledo Blade:
"To Mr. Wurzelbacher: Your constitutional rights do not trump my constitutional right to call you a horse’s ass."
MARK DelBROCCO Robinwood Avenue

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

" I'm saying....
Submitted by MrIndependent on Fri, 2014-05-30 02:48.

I'm saying who ever hired Joe did not realize he's not a team player. Working at a modern auto assembly factory takes a team spirit of cooperation. Joe, by his actions, draws controversy and dissension among his coworkers. I worked in a supervisory position for over a decade and dealt with individuals of this demeanor. Capt. Arthur as a marine and a counselor you know that moral is most important. When you have someone who feeds on negativity and division this is not good for the team and ultimately they spend their time on non productive actions other than building great cars.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted."

Please tell us, Mr. Supervisor, how did you deal with people like Joe? Disciplinary Layoffs? Putting him on the worst job in the department?

" I'm saying....
Submitted by MrIndependent on Fri, 2014-05-30 02:48.

I'm saying who ever hired Joe did not realize he's not a team player. Working at a modern auto assembly factory takes a team spirit of cooperation. Joe, by his actions, draws controversy and dissension among his coworkers. I worked in a supervisory position for over a decade and dealt with individuals of this demeanor. Capt. Arthur as a marine and a counselor you know that moral is most important. When you have someone who feeds on negativity and division this is not good for the team and ultimately they spend their time on non productive actions other than building great cars.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted."

Please tell us, Mr. Supervisor, how did you deal with people like Joe? Disciplinary Layoffs? Putting him on the worst job in the department?

I would like to know how limiting the access to guns for those who are deemed to be a danger to themselves and/or to others by a mental health care professional and/or by close family members, inhibits my rights to own a registered gun or the rights of Mr. Wurlitzer to own a registered gun? It is clear by some of the posts here, that Mr. Wurlitzer spoke for many, many others. The callousness of the statement is nauseating. It does seem to be an attempt by Mr. Wurlitzer to get back into the limelight at the expense of the grieving family members and friends of dead people.

For the record, I am a consistent supporter of 2nd Amendment rights. I do NOT believe that we need more anti-gun legislation. What we DO need is better enforcement of laws already on the books, and better police procedures. In this particular case, the State of California has very strong gun laws on the books. When warned by a mental health care person, and/or close family members about a potentially volatile individual, the police must be more vigilant in their investigation. The very saddest thing I've learned from this tragedy is that it was most probably preventable. In this case, the police screwed up. Sometimes that means someone dies. This time, it did. My sincerest condolences go to those who lost a family member or friend, including the family of that very sick young man named Elliot Rodgers.

privilege afforded to some American citizens, this young man was given the benefit of the doubt by the police. They should be put on trial as accessories to the crime of murder.

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