Third World Health Care - Knoxville, Tennessee


Third World Health Care - Knoxville, Tennessee Edition
Aasif Mandvi highlights the quality of the best health care system in the world by visiting a clinic in Knoxville, Tennessee. (06:10)

The World Health Organization's ranking
of the world's health systems.
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html
Rank CountryView this list in alphabetic order View this list in alphabetic order View this list in alphabetic order

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
38 Slovenia
39 Cuba
40 Brunei
41 New Zealand
42 Bahrain
43 Croatia
44 Qatar
45 Kuwait
46 Barbados
47 Thailand
48 Czech Republic
49 Malaysia
50 Poland
51 Dominican Republic
52 Tunisia
53 Jamaica
54 Venezuela
55 Albania
56 Seychelles
57 Paraguay
58 South Korea
59 Senegal
60 Philippines
61 Mexico
62 Slovakia
63 Egypt
64 Kazakhstan
65 Uruguay
66 Hungary
67 Trinidad and Tobago
68 Saint Lucia
69 Belize
70 Turkey
71 Nicaragua
72 Belarus
73 Lithuania
74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
75 Argentina
76 Sri Lanka
77 Estonia
78 Guatemala
79 Ukraine
80 Solomon Islands
81 Algeria
82 Palau
83 Jordan
84 Mauritius
85 Grenada
86 Antigua and Barbuda
87 Libya
88 Bangladesh
89 Macedonia
90 Bosnia-Herzegovina
91 Lebanon
92 Indonesia
93 Iran
94 Bahamas
95 Panama
96 Fiji
97 Benin
98 Nauru
99 Romania
100 Saint Kitts and Nevis
101 Moldova
102 Bulgaria
103 Iraq
104 Armenia
105 Latvia
106 Yugoslavia
107 Cook Islands
108 Syria
109 Azerbaijan
110 Suriname
111 Ecuador
112 India
113 Cape Verde
114 Georgia
115 El Salvador
116 Tonga
117 Uzbekistan
118 Comoros
119 Samoa
120 Yemen
121 Niue
122 Pakistan
123 Micronesia
124 Bhutan
125 Brazil
126 Bolivia
127 Vanuatu
128 Guyana
129 Peru
130 Russia
131 Honduras
132 Burkina Faso
133 Sao Tome and Principe
134 Sudan
135 Ghana
136 Tuvalu
137 Ivory Coast
138 Haiti
139 Gabon
140 Kenya
141 Marshall Islands
142 Kiribati
143 Burundi
144 China
145 Mongolia
146 Gambia
147 Maldives
148 Papua New Guinea
149 Uganda
150 Nepal
151 Kyrgystan
152 Togo
153 Turkmenistan
154 Tajikistan
155 Zimbabwe
156 Tanzania
157 Djibouti
158 Eritrea
159 Madagascar
160 Vietnam
161 Guinea
162 Mauritania
163 Mali
164 Cameroon
165 Laos
166 Congo
167 North Korea
168 Namibia
169 Botswana
170 Niger
171 Equatorial Guinea
172 Rwanda
173 Afghanistan
174 Cambodia
175 South Africa
176 Guinea-Bissau
177 Swaziland
178 Chad
179 Somalia
180 Ethiopia
181 Angola
182 Zambia
183 Lesotho
184 Mozambique
185 Malawi
186 Liberia
187 Nigeria
188 Democratic Republic of the Congo
189 Central African Republic
190 Myanmar

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The USA is definitely out of the running as a First World system for health care. But there is a wide range of Second World sort of environments that we fit into. And it's largely from one single element in our system, that being our system runs for a profit and is privatized at least half way. That means we avoid socialized and universal access to care.

Sadly, combined with this deplorable state of Humanism, we are #1 in the world for a per-capita measure of how much our system costs. Not only that, but the next 5 ranked nations are around half of our cost. So for our poor ranking among real (i.e. civilized) nations, we pay the most for that comparatively miserable status.

So it's logical to ask: OK, if we won't adopt a socialized model since you can't accept that for ideological reasons, then why can't you at least inquire how France and other such nations pay only half of our per-capita costs? Why can't we adopt their methods of controlling costs?

U.S. #37 in the world in health care of its citizens.
U.S. #1 -- BY FAR -- in the cost of health care.

From my experience, the main problem with health care costs is that giant insurance conglomerates control this nation's health care sector. It is my understanding that not only do insurance companies now run most hospitals in America, they are employing more and more doctors and their associates who used to operate independent practices.
>Insurance companies are in business to make money. Those who claim to be "non-profit" do an accounting trick by paying out enough money to their top executives, including bonuses, in order to NOT show a "profit."
>Medical practices must either contract with a specialized company, or employ people just to administer the over 100 different insurance plans which exist in America. That means a large amount of the money spent to obtain health care, goes to paper pushers who deliver no health care services.
GZ aka, Mr. Empty Glass -- As you well state, if we do not adopt a single-payer system as exists in places like France for ideological reasons, shame on us!

"[T]he main problem with health care costs is that giant insurance conglomerates control this nation's health care sector."

Then it sure is strange that so-called Obamacare's aim at reform was to force Americans to buy insurance from those same con-gloms.

BTW, why not just call me GlassZero and save on typing? Sheesh.

myself on this topic? I give you a compliment, and you have to make a debating point while ignoring my previous posts on other threads!
Obamacare was NOT Obama's first choice about how to get health care to millions of Americans, many of them helpless children. Remember? His Secretary of State was Hillary Clinton? Remember that Hillary headed up her husband's push to eliminate the giant health insurance conglomerates for the health care costs? Remember how unsuccessful that was?
Now, Obama could have just left, "bad enough alone." THAT would have been the politically expedient thing to do. But, this man really cares about people, despite what many of those who post here may think. He knew that millions of Americans really need health care who weren't getting it. He knows that keeping people healthy is cost effective. So he sat down with Hillary and others, and figured out how they could get a health care plan which covers millions of previously uncovered Americans, and have it pass Congress. And before anybody gets all partisan on me, and points out that Democrats controlled both Houses of Congress in 2009 and 2010, Democrats ALSO controlled both Houses of Congress in 1993 and 1994 , when the Clintons could NOT get a national health care system of ANY type passed into law!
The "Great Compromise" here was NOT between Democrats and Republicans. It was between the Obama Administration and the giant health care insurance conglomerates! Obamacare, based upon Willard's Romneycare in Massachusetts, as imperfect as it is, was the only type of plan which could be passed.
And guess what! It's working! Millions of Americans who didn't have affordable health insurance now have it! And millions more will sign on to it in the near future. Do I like Obamacare compared to, say, the Canadian or French systems? NNNOOO! Is it better than nothing? YYYEEESSS!!!
As far as the aka I attach to your handle, GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass, it's a GREAT description of someone so negative as you are. It's worth the extra typing to me.

I'm not in this for compliments. That much should be obvious. I'm here to point out the glaring hypocrisies of the Liberal class.

It's not a matter of which choice that Obamacare (aka the "Affordable Care Act") was on Obama's plate. It was a bad choice regardless of which option he imagined he had. He should have rejected it, since it tossed Americans to the insurer dogs. Once again, we must remind you Liberals that Obama lacks leadership ability, and he failed to use his veto. Then again, there was zero chance he'd use his veto. He likes Obamacare. He's said so many times. And of course he'd like it, since he works for the rich people behind the insurance companies, not for us.

Obamacare wasn't a compromise whatsoever. The Plutocrats and the Boomers are attacking us younger Americans with it, in their struggle to retain the illusion of immortality. I will never purchase health insurance, even under threat. You Liberals clearly have no idea what a deep and abiding hatred that you've invoked with your blathering and excuse making and behind-the-scenes deal-making in legislatures. You've permanently alienated working-class America, and you've raised up a permanent contempt for the law.

Congratulations. You couldn't have cut your collective throat any more cleanly.

As I stated, "Now, Obama could have just left 'bad enough alone.' THAT would have been the politically expedient thing to do."
Only an Obama hater thinks that Obama is stupid. He knew then, and he knows now, the political risks of pushing Romneycare on the national level. A true leader does not do what is politically expedient if (s)he sees that there is a severe need. Obama knew:
1. The Clintons failed to get a true national health care system through Congress primarily because of the power of the giant health conglomerates.
and
2. Millions of Americans, many of them powerless, innocent children, were suffering.

A true leader leads in a new direction for the better good for the most people. You may well be right. Obamacare may have so many bad features that it proves to be an overall failure. That scenario would fit conveniently into the glass of Mr. Empty Glass's view of the crumbling world. However, there is a possibility that, with all of its faults, Obamacare is so much better than the system as it existed before, that Obamacare becomes a net positive.

A true leader views being successful politically as secondary to the effect her/his actions have upon the America (s)he leads. Obama is a risk taker and a true leader. Try thinking "outside the glass" sometime, GZ, aka Mr. Empty Glass!

"A true leader does not do what is politically expedient if (s)he sees that there is a severe need."

You're still covering for a clearly corrupt politician. That's always been my thesis.

There's no severe need to force people to buy health insurance. You Liberals keep covering up the real problem. The real problem is that subsidies, insurance and credit lines all drive up the costs of goods and services that they purchase. Forcing more insurance to exist, will only drive up the cost of care. And the cost of care is the #1 problem in the USA today. Hands down. We're not France... we don't have a socialized culture where costs can be contained via social forces. There are no social forces in the United States except the unholy lust for money and status.

So tell me, how did Leader Obama handle the cost issue? He didn't. He only made it worse. And that suited the Boomers (the real beneficiaries of Obamacare), some of the poor, and of course the rich corporate insurance guys who fund politicians like Obama.

"A true leader leads in a new direction for the better good for the most people."

Anyone with a real education knows that when 51% vote themselves benefits from the other 49%, the society is officially finished, and the collapse of the culture must begin. Leading the collapse isn't Leadership at all. It's Lemmingship.

Read your de Tocqueville. Sheesh.

With all the delays the President is instituting all we've gotten from Obamacare is higher taxes and health insurance subsidies.

Well that and millions who lost the plans they liked.

MikeyA

Your rant here reinforces my aka designation for you.

GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass -- You just can't think outside the glass...your own personal VERY empty glass!

The statistic that the United States has the #1 most expensive health-care system in the world, per capita, by a large distance over the next five most expensive, reveals clearly that this isn't my personal glass or radius of concern. It's 310 million people in size. Seems pretty full to me, and to other rational people, a category to which you do not belong.

A man with any real character in your position would have admitted that I had won the argument. We now have your measure.


Got to agree with dalepertcheck, ObamaCare was created as a total compromise. Its a first step to a affordable healthcare end.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Once again, there was no compromise whatsoever, since it did nothing to address the real problem: United States health care is too expensive.

And it can't possibly be considered "affordable" when you're forcing people to buy health insurance they couldn't afford in the first place. Of course you're another Boomer who doesn't care about young people and their ever falling incomes... you just want to force them to pay into your health care system so that you continue to receive ever-more-expensive benefits from it.

It was a compromise. A great compromise.

What were the name(s) of the Republican(s) who voted for it?

MikeyA

(And I'm certain others are tired of reading this over and over again.)

Asked and answered, Mikey!
The compromise was NOT between political parties. The compromise was between the Obama Administration and the giant insurance conglomerates. As evidence, NO health care reform was passed in Clinton's eight years in office. Health care legislation was killed by the giant insurance conglomerates. How many insurance executives have come out opposing Obamacare? How many opposed Romneycare in Massachusetts?

BTW -- For the record, Mikey, what percentage of health insurance executives would you guess vote Republican compared to those who vote Democratic?

Dale your understanding of how our govt works is fundamentally flawed. Insurance companies don't even have a seat at the table. If they did in this case it's because the Dems gave them one.

What the ACA was is an opportunistic piece of shit. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid didn't anticipate the push back they would receive so the house bill was essentially throw everything on the wall and see what sticks (get it... have to pass it to find our what's in it). They didn't expect the lack of support for the Senate bill, Scott Brown was about to be sworn in giving the GOP a chance to filibuster, so the only recorde was to pass the House bill as is without a conference committee.

What it gave us was a law that no one likes, even Dems who voted for it. The GOP shutting down the govt was supposed to hand control of the House back to the Dems. What it really did was remind the public who opposed the bill that took away the insurance they liked. Now, the GOP has a legitimate shot of retaking the Senate and expanding their lead in the House making Obama an actual lame duck.

MikeyA

"What it gave us was a law that no one likes, even Dems who voted for it."

More and more from Democrat politicians we're hearing they have plans to "fix" Obamacare.

Naturally that's more and more an admission that it's the most fucked-up legislation that they've ever passed. Why not just hang a sign? Or here's an idea: REPEAL IT. After all, Obamacare's major provisions have all been delayed anyway (except the real attack on us, the shared responsibility mandate, which went info force right on cue).

Delayed, but their are people out here that can't see the truth about the delays, and Obama is still pandering to his sheep that Obama care is fixed now. along with the 680 million being spent on retarded pro Obama care commercials..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

You care not for innocent children. You expect innocent children to pay for the transgressions of their parents. Sorry! I cannot argue about this with someone about this issue who is so unfeeling.

Oh, bother. We've heard your "it's for the children" excuse for decades now. It's created a failed government, which is provably bankrupt. Just like with the 'race card', your Liberal weapons have predictably gone limp and ineffectual.

Take your silly feelings movement and starve in the cold outside the banking skyscrapers. That's a fitting end for your sort of unreality-based movement.

Mr. Empty Glass describes you to a tee!

Giant corporations "own" Members of Congress. They have for over 100 years! What do you think Teddy Roosevelt was doing over 100 years ago? Breaking up the trusts!
Giant corporations write bills and recruit congressional sponsors for those bills. And the Members of Congress line up to do the bidding of the giant corporations! The giant health care conglomerates killed a true national health care system in the 1990s -- period!

Mikey, really!! You and I "don't even have a seat at the table." Not only do giant corporations, "have a seat at the table," THEY OWN THE TABLE!!!

No one's pointed out Yemen's meteoric rise in health care. It's left 70 other nations in the dust. My guess is that terrorists are finally following their doctors' advice to get annual check-ups.

Patience is a great virtue.

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