Response to Toledo Talk Attack

Since I'm not privy to defend myself on ToledoTalk, in my defense, I offer the following:

On the 'banning' of posters on Toledo Talk
http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/170280/29Jan2014/On_the_...

Well wolfman aka Paul Wolfarth has said publicly on Swampbubbles (under the names wolfman & MrIndependent) that he was banned because Fred sent emails to the site admin. He claims to have proof but has never produced it.
posted by MikeyA on Jan 29, 2014 at 09:35:22 am #
P.S.- MikeyA is Michael Arthur USMC TWENTYNINE PALMS, California http://www.linkedin.com/pub/michael-arthur/37/145/60a

I have never asked any site administrator to ban anyone from anything. I don't know who jr is nor does it matter, I do know Chris of Swamp Bubbles but haven't asked him to ban anyone either. Jr I believe can back me up on this if he wants to.
posted by fred on Jan 29, 2014 at 09:40:31 am

If memory serves, Mr. Wolfarth was waging a rather public war here with Brian Wilson and Fred. To the point that Wilson involved his attorney to take action against Mr. Wolfarth. I believe it was also Mr. Wolfarth who provided a link to Fred's personal assets as listed in divorce documents as part of his personal pissing contest with Wilson.
While I don't pretend to speak for jr, that whole mess may well have had something to do with his being banned.

posted by Foodie on Jan 29, 2014 at 10:20:43 am #

That's demented.
Wolfman got himself deactivated at Toledo Talk because he had no interest in obeying the site rules. Despite my repeated warnings, explanations, and patience, he continued to do whatever he wanted.
As stated in the posting guidelines, ToledoTalk.com is NOT a free speech zone. It's the same with any site that has a terms of service, including major social media sites.
I don't want to hurt his feelings nor disrupt his alternative reality, but nobody e-mailed me about user Wolfman. Zero messages. Nothing.
One morning a few years ago, Wolfman made multiple site violations in quick order. I had a mess to clean up. That was the final straw. Simple. I'm sorry that does not fit any whackadoo, local media conspiracy theory but that's the real reality.
It's not the first time that I've been accused of being in cahoots with local media outlets, regarding site moderation.
I will admit that the conspiracy theories are more entertaining than the boring truth.
In the past, I've also been accused of stealing and shutting down another message board that I did not know existed. I've been accused of organizing a public meetup in order to expose anonymous posters. I've been accused of editing other users' postings to change their opinions.
I enjoy creativity of all kinds, including nutjob accusations.
As to anonymouscoward, his account deactivation was going to be temporary.
I had the same thought as what TrilbyGuy mentioned above.
Time and place and a common sense filter.
In the Toledo firefighter thread, AC posted
FUCK THOSE POORS, THEIR SHIT SHOULD JUST BE LEFT TO BURN!
Obviously, I've permitted that type of rhetoric here for many years, but in my opinion, that was the wrong time and the wrong thread to make an off-topic response to another user's comment, which did not deserve the type of response that AC gave.
A user should have the sense to hold off and save the viewpoint for another time or another thread. Several people flagged that comment as inflammatory, so I was not the only one to view it as unacceptable. I considered his comment to be inflammatory and derailing, which violates the posting guidelines.
It seems that the users who cause the most trouble here are mostly interested in posting about national political issues, which can be discussed at zillions of other websites.
If Toledo Talk is more focused on "softer" topics, such as food, events, and home improvements, then why do the hard core political brawlers complain about having their accounts deactivated when they violate site rules?
Humans are the most fascinating species on this planet to observe.
posted by jr on Jan 29, 2014 at 01:50:10 pm http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/170280#170316

Wolfman's response:
Jr's allegations that I didn't follow site rules are subjective. His enforcement of "Rules" were very lax and without, I believe, fair enforced. Much of his enforcement problems came from his constant fiddling with the format of his blog site causing confusion and misinterpretation. His forum selection, at the time, was always changing. The links I posted of Fred's whining to the administrator has changed since 2012 and is no longer available for inspection. It clearly argued (through persuasion) to censure my postings in retaliation, I Believe, of his and his former boss's ongoing battle to shut me up. Fred continues to use his radio resources to attack me with an array of photoshopped pictures etc, etc, which is allowed, I believe, because of his public persona giving publicity to the local blogs.
Fred added comment to Lewiki:Contact on Mar 12, 2012 at 12:49:55 pm
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred
I'm sure Jr has copies of these emails and if he would post them we could see for ourselves what is the truth. I cannot post these E-mails they are Jr's to post.
~My Opinion~
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Who should be paid more teachers, firemen, police, or a high school educated talk show host?
http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/wolfman/20120312/who-should-be-paid-more-t...
I did not ask for you to be
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:06.

I did not ask for you to be removed. That was the administrators choice, not mine. As you can see here and there actually I answered your question about pay. You choose to ignore the difference between private and public sector.
I have no problem with how much auto workers make, in fact I don't know what they make unless it's make public in a news story about their bonuses. Police, firefighters, teacher salaries should be made public because the public pays those salaries.
Auto workers should have the right to either join or not join a union however when applying for a job.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Slugs, thugs, and punks!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:32.

Au contraire! You did contact the administrator. And you did complain about my post of the public court doc link even though I didn't mention your problems. Are you saying you didn't? What was said in private e-mails? What were you asking for Fred?

Same old thing that's happened at Speedy. You hang up on those you don't agree with or pot over them when they talk. If they agree with you give em a prize. You take my comments out of context and make a radio commercial! I know It's been done to me and others that I know of. Then you fire Mark Levin cause you don't agree with him. You think that's in the public interest?

I did contact the
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:37.

I did contact the administator and did give my opinion on the lack of tact in the post. I did not and would not ask for it to be removed or for you to be censored. I think people need to see you for what you are.

Lack of tact... Funny!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-19 00:29.

Like calling the kettle black! Fred daily you and your ilk amaze me. You've done all what I've mentioned above in a very public way with a larger audience and then you have the audacity to claim lack of tact...funny! You need some serious therapy or a sabbatical from that nut job station.

Here's the record of your posts to the administrator. This in my opinion lead to my deactivated account after Fred complained. If you look at the March 12th postings you'll find evidence of what I say. The two damning posts have been deleted! One was the thread I created on TT, "Who should be paid more teachers, firemen, police, or a high school educated talk show host?" and the second one,"Lewiki:Contact" complaining to the TT administrator. Check the following link for yourself!
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred

fred added comment to Lewiki:Contact on Mar 12, 2012 at 12:49:55 pm
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred

Now, Fred...
Submitted by McCaskey on Mon, 2012-03-12 19:01.

Did you really go whine to Chris about public records pertaining to your divorce being disclosed here?

Haven't whined to anyone. As
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 19:11.

Haven't whined to anyone. As you can see I've actually answered Paul's questions about wages, and all posts are still up. I have no control over this or any other blog site in Toledo. What administrators choose to do is up to them. If Paul has proof that I asked for him to be silenced I'd like to see it posted here. Otherwise he should shut up about it.

I have your post to the administrator!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-12 20:52.

Date & time posted March 12, 2012 at 01:31:40 pm to the administrator.
For all those who follow this my account has been deactivated at TT. My last post and deleted blog (similar to this one) was on Mar 12, 2012. Reasons not explained to me but I can guess. I could post his comments but choose not to. I think it has been covered very well. Only wish to reference the disparity of pay for Teachers, police, firemen and nurses compared to a high schooled talk show host.

Of course you do.
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 21:04.

okey, dokey, Fredo
Submitted by McCaskey on Mon, 2012-03-12 19:31.

"I did contact the administator and did give my opinion on the lack of tact in the post".

This sounds like it be interpreted as whining, but whatever you say...

It may have have lacked tact, that I agree with. On the flip side, while you're not a public-sector employee, you are a 'public figure', since you're known on here as Fred LeFebvre of WSPD and have used that connection to promote your shows and your station in general. You've also been a staunch advocate of non-anonymous posting on this site, have ridiculed others for 'hiding' behind fake screennames and the like, and it's more than a little amusing now to see that it's bitten you in the ass---at least to the point where you felt the need to ummm, "contact the administrator"...

You can view it however you
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 19:43.

You can view it however you like your opinion doesn't mean that much to me or I'd be hanging out with you and asking what you thought. Just as any poster on here has the right to contact an administrator when their family is personally brought into the mix, that's what I did. Now you may not understand this next part....I am a public figure, my wife is not. If Paul wants to tell people how much I make to make some pont more power to him, my wife however has never posted and is not a public figure.

Well...
Submitted by McCaskey on Mon, 2012-03-12 20:09.

at least now you might have more empathy towards those who choose to be anonymous when posting on blogs. Public records are just that...potential public knowledge...and when you decide to take the other road---trumpeting your real name, employer, etc.---you risk opening yourself up to things that may be uncomfortable for you when someone decides to...'shine a light'.

Yes MikeA like posting personal E-mail addresses.
Submitted by MrIndependent on Wed, 2012-03-14 11:11.

Remember the time when Fred posted my E-mail address here on SwampBubbles and encouraged the public to contact me and my wife. Yes my wife and I share that E-mail address. So just back up the Fred clown car and dump it on my family E-mail.
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"Wolfman got himself deactivated at Toledo Talk because he had no interest in obeying the site rules. Despite my repeated warnings, explanations, and patience, he continued to do whatever he wanted.
As stated in the posting guidelines, ToledoTalk.com is NOT a free speech zone. It's the same with any site that has a terms of service, including major social media sites.
I don't want to hurt his feelings nor disrupt his alternative reality, but nobody e-mailed me about user Wolfman. Zero messages. Nothing.
One morning a few years ago, Wolfman made multiple site violations in quick order. I had a mess to clean up. That was the final straw. Simple. I'm sorry that does not fit any whackadoo, local media conspiracy theory but that's the real reality."

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

This is like looking through their front-room window to watch and listen to an unhappy couple go about their daily bickering.

Patience is a great virtue.

Slugs, thugs, and punks!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:32.
Au contraire! You did contact the administrator. And you did complain about my post of the public court doc link even though I didn't mention your problems. Are you saying you didn't? What was said in private e-mails? What were you asking for Fred?

Same old thing that's happened at Speedy. You hang up on those you don't agree with or pot over them when they talk. If they agree with you give em a prize. You take my comments out of context and make a radio commercial! I know It's been done to me and others that I know of. Then you fire Mark Levin cause you don't agree with him. You think that's in the public interest?

I did contact the
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:37.

I did contact the administator and did give my opinion on the lack of tact in the post. I did not and would not ask for it to be removed or for you to be censored. I think people need to see you for what you are. http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/wolfman/20120312/who-should-be-paid-more-t...

Lack of tact... Funny!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-19 00:29.

Like calling the kettle black! Fred daily you and your ilk amaze me. You've done all what I've mentioned above in a very public way with a larger audience and then you have the audacity to claim lack of tact...funny! You need some serious therapy or a sabbatical from that nut job station.

Here's the record of your posts to the administrator. This in my opinion lead to my deactivated account after Fred complained. If you look at the March 12th postings you'll find evidence of what I say. The two damning posts have been deleted! One was the thread I created on TT, "Who should be paid more teachers, firemen, police, or a high school educated talk show host?" and the second one,"Lewiki:Contact" complaining to the TT administrator. Check the following link for yourself!
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred

fred added comment to Lewiki:Contact on Mar 12, 2012 at 12:49:55 pm
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred
(The above links have been deactivated and are no longer visible at this time. When it was visible in 2012 Fred admits to contacting JR.)
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JR's states on TT, "I don't want to hurt his feelings nor disrupt his alternative reality, but nobody e-mailed me about user Wolfman. Zero messages. Nothing."
http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/170280#170316
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JR says he was not contacted. Fred says he did contact him. Who's telling the truth?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Reposting the same things over and over doesn't make you right.

"JR says he was not contacted. Fred says he did contact him. Who's telling the truth?"

Fred says he contacted JR about your lack of tact. Both Fred and JR support that Fred did not ask you to get banned. In fact JR stated it was on one day where you violated several of the sites rules.

Why don't you address the rule violations? Why do you have such a hard time following the rules?

MikeyA

Wow

Wow,

Paul is just sad.

Suddenly he's claiming I am a Marine when previously he denied it. Which is it?

MikeyA

Well if MikeyA is who you say he is, and I have my doubts, I would trust what he says just based on his record over what you say. You have a reputation of lying, and of twisting facts to suit your post, of omitting facts unfavorable to you etc etc. I'll take a Marine over a retired union line worker with anger and obsession issues anyday.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Who's Batman? Who's Robin? One's a troller on the taxpayer's dime, the others a reputed Corporate Shill selling Heritage Hotdogs to the ignorant low information dittohead.

Hey gotta love Scott Sands, hit the ground running in one year and gets all the big names, Marcy Kaptur, Sherrod Brown, Bob Latta all in one day!!! Fredo gets the local dog catcher. The dufus still don't get it, his radio reputation as the back stabbing hostile host is crap!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Kaptur, Brown and Latta "big names"?! You gotta get out more!

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