Tea Party Paradise-The Hunger Games

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The TEA Party doesn't support the rule of a tiny, wealthy majority.

Are you really this stupid, or did you have to work at it?

The Hunger Games trilogy is the story about how a large centralized government uses it's governmental power to restrict the free speech and arms of sections within the country that does not conform to what the centralized government wants.

Who does that really sound like?

MikeyA

Yes it does because they are small group of Euro's who think they are entitled to rule 99% of us Americans.

GZ

With all respect what do you think Citizens United was all about? Where did all these nonprofits 501 (c)s get their secret dark money for their political ambitions? No this country is ruled by money that promotes propaganda to work against all of us. Just ask Fred!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Citizens United was not a change it affirmed what was already 100 years of court precedent that corporations, no matter how big or how small, have first amendment rights.

The freedom of speech and assembly are not control. Trying to take away those right is control.

MikeyA

What are you blathering about? The you claim made was that a hydraulic despotism, the world of the Hunger Games, was a "Tea Party Paradise"... as if having lesser taxes would ever result in such a thing under our rule of law. The HG world is a post-apocalyptic one, and that only comes after a period of huge governments fighting a last world war. HUGE governments, get it, you moron? And after that, the HG world is dominated with another HUGE government exerting autocratic controls.

Implicitly, the TEA Party wants LESS government, not more. That chills the blood and shakes the core of you pantywaist Liberals. Hence all you can say today is shrill screams against the "teabaggers". You are terrified that your own movement-- the Occupy Wall Street nonsense-- was undermined by your own smelly hippies, getting nowhere while enduring howls of rightful derision... while the TEA Party movement had placed members in the Congress. The 'teabaggers' are actually applicable to the structure of American society. Liberals are not. The 'teabaggers' have well-reasoned agreement with the foundation of economics itself. Liberals have not.

Every time you Liberals shriek about the TEA Party, you out yourselves as the emotional welfare losers that you have always been. So please: Keep doing it. Liberalism is dying. You're only hastening that death.

And things like (I think it's called) Revolution on tv - we skip that and other mind numbing trash like "Criminal Minds".

But if that's what Hunger Games is about - a dictatorship..... how is it that you can't see what's right in front of your eyes? The guy you voted for is trying to set up just such a "spy-on-everybody", "hunt dissenters down" totalitarian state here now, in the once-free United States of America.

How in the wide wide world, are you missing this agenda, and failing to identify those who are actually pushing it?

Remember when the news came out over a decade ago about black helicopters spying on all of us. Who do you think that was? This spying on us has been going on for decades.

By approving & applauding it when it's done by a lefty. Which means that any and all liberal arguments about anything are meaningless, because they have no actual moral compass. Or put another way, they worship men rather than God.

Right wingers are always ready to go male to male oral sex and slack some lard on that booty. If anything conserv's don't say all praises be to god, but all praises be to the almighty dollar and the blowjob.

I find it humorous when Mrignorant rails against those who are successful, or at least more successful than he is. The claim of course is that those who have should share more with those who don't have, that those without are "underserved". Let's look at that.
Those that have-jobs, money, wealth, provide a number of things for those who don't.. Without the people who go out and work each day there would be no welfare, WIC, open city swimming pools, TARTA, paratransit, help paying your heat in winter, AC in the summer, free cell phones, free public education, food banks, etc etc. Right now there are more people paying for those services than taking those services but with thinking like mrignorant's that won't be the case for long. What happens when the scales tip?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

What happens when the scales tip?

Answer: The North Toledo Riot. And who knows where the next one will happen.

That's why rational men like myself are checking our guns for the Zimmerman trial outcome.

Looks like its all set up for a conviction, to much damning testimony so far thats against him, including a 6 women only jury. How did they swing that?

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Zimmerman created the damnimg evidence against himself.

Just got back from a week in Northern Michigan. Noticed the area looks bombed out with many small businesses closed and forsale. The roads are in pathetic shape not conducive to a tourist economy. Most of the shops in Mackinac are now selling cheap tee shirts a change from just five years ago where the economy supported upscale shopping. Talked with many small businesses that are still open and the consensus is since 2000 middle class manufacturing jobs that supported this area are no more. Seems the small businessman can't make it without a strong middle class. The area now supports a patriot radio station that spews hatred 24/7 talking of Alex Jones globalist conspiracy. According to Alex the transfer of millions of taxpaying jobs to China and India has created a wealthy 1% over the needs of the average American. His message plays well with the beleaguered area residents, Michigan Governor Snyder's pandering to his corporate donors is creating still more burdens on Middle class tourists by shifting the tax burden to them with his crown jewel $1.8 billion Michigan Business Tax elimination. So far his tax shift has produced minimal new jobs just poorer Michigan residents through higher taxes. http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/interactive/article/20130113/NEWS04/3... Seems funny but Ohio governor Kasich is doing the same thing. Fred will soon be paying higher sales and real estate taxes because of Republican legislation. Why would the same failed tax shift plan be implemented from state to state? http://www.alecexposed.org/wiki/ALEC_Exposed

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-enterprise-zones-20130616,0,671350...

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creating still more burdens on Middle class tourists by shifting the tax burden to them

So? Tourism spending? Are you serious? Just stop spending. Why is it when you boil down Liberal complaints about economic changes, that you find a refusal to stop the heavy consumerism? The petroleum's depleting. American labor is too expensive to buy anyway, available oil or not.

And when you fill a state like Michigan with takers and not makers, then you get a predatory tax regime. The takers (rich people and diversity pets, aka the very rich and the very poor) keep taking, but don't pay proportionate taxes for their taking. And yet, you've demonized the TEA Party for their basic message that opposes all this heavy taxation. Seems odd, doesn't it? Well, it's not odd to a stupid fucking Liberal like you who falls into hypocrisy within two sentences of any particular conversation.

Look at the following chart of who has benefited from workers productivity gains
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/06/speedup-americans-working-ha...

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So? That's the right of ownership. Don't like it? Stop working, stop spending, stop borrowing... oh look, now we've suddenly found the real problem of the so-called weakening of the middle class. It really is all the fault of people like you and your borrow-borrow-borrow and spend-spend-spend ways. The middle class was always going to be abandoned due to globalism, and you should have known that. There was no way to stop it, since in order to do so, you'd have to cancel rights to private property. That means a dictatorship.

Speaking of which, the National Socialists were Liberals, through and through. Liberalism is always a track to Fascism. Eventually the emotional welfare perverts that are the core of Liberalism end up getting so frustrated with being powerless that they choose Fascist means of government.

Business owners have every right to push for the best deal they can get out of labor, even if that means casting labor into poverty. There's nothing you can do about that within our body of law, since national sovereignty also means capital can flee. Confiscating capital never, ever works. That's why every socialist and communist revolution has failed. Every one. The question is, if Liberals are really so well educated, then why don't they understand this? I suspect the answer is that Liberal education is really indoctrination. It's long been recognized as such by rational men.

I mean, seriously now: What do you intend to do about it? You don't own the companies that are keeping the additional margins of worker productivity. If you try to use the law to 'force' them to share, they'll just flee. Small businesses generally can't flee, but they can and do just go out of business.

Seriously: What's your plan? It can't be unionization, since unions are really dead in the USA. Just try to unionize a company today; either you'll fail, or the company will close down, meaning you'll still fail.

... but that's nationally, not just Michigan. Reading your sad description, I recalled (if correct) that you live just across the state line in a countryside area. But you have to have taken a look at Toledo in the past 10 years... a continuous downward slide like you describe above - but here in Ohio.

I actually like your year 2000 better than my 2002. Because just before the 2000 presidential election, there was a HUGE amount of arguing between the Dems and Repubs about whether we were in a RECESSION AT THE END OF CLINTON'S 2ND TERM. The correct answer was, yes we were.

I have friends & relatives in northern Michigan. Some of what you say is true - but it's true in spades here in NW Ohio as well. In Michigan, in particular, what happened up north was that lots of auto workers, when things were going strong and they were in their 40's or nearing retirement - bought property up there... 2nd houses. Which many of them can't unload now. Or if they would like to retire up north, can't unload their house "down below" (a Michigander phrase for the Detroit and downriver area). Some I know who are retired are dipping into their retirement funds and taking penalties. And believe me, they blame Obama more than anyone else.

Me personally - I think auto workers got greedy and self satisfied and cared little for people a lot poorer than they were who struggled to buy these over-priced pieces of junk. You know - I hate this recession - but it isn't just the politicians who are to blame (in either party)... and it isn't just the "uber rich" who are greedy. A slim majority of American citizens, after all, vote know-nothings like Obama in, expecting socialists like him to give them stuff.

Joe Farah (Editor of WorldNetDaily) is calling for a day of national repentance later this year. I think he's on the right track. Economic policies alone do not have the power to right what is wrong in this once great nation.

Yes the Dot Com bubble of 2000 was caused by Wall Street Greed. The unregulated markets were able to blow the bubble of irrational exuberance. Round one for the Reagan revolution. Then with the "genus" George Bush at the helm we sailed into another level 5 storm in 2008. So don't blame Obama for all of it. He walked into a chaotic catastrophic mess had his chance in 2009 to right the pirate ship and let the criminal Wall Street Bankers get away with ripping off the American people. Reagan at least threw about 600 of the shinny shoe criminals in jail. But to be fair money runs Wall Street and Washington far more then back in the 1980s. Nothing has changed and I feel as do many in Northern Michigan that this economy has no legs because of dark money in politics that corrupts all. I've been going to Northern Michigan for years and have witness the decline firsthand. The area is nothing more than a classic example of what happens when the job producers IE. Middle-class Americans lose their purchasing power and stop spending. Its a warning to the rest of America that think it alright to import everything without a thought as to how it affects the big picture. You see the new auto worker cannot afford anything but the basics. Their wages were cut in half in 2008 killing their disposable income. The public sector thought it fine and continued to buy the imports till the ripple came and took them in a huge rip tide of wage collapse. We often hear Ignorant Fred brag about his foreign made Prius while bashing unions but look at everyone around Fred is working for the near minimum wage with a college education. You see I've been living a few years than most and I remember what this area was once like. What I see now is frightening and with big money controlling our political system I see nothing good.

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Who's all part of this group with common characteristics?

Why is the auto worker entitled to a high wage? Especially when they're not building cars Americans want. There was no problem the auto industry faced that selling more cars didn't solve.

You complain about the current state of northern michigan but I tell you the mistake was they relied on one industry too much and when you remove the bottom card from a house of cards the rest will inevitably fall.

Northern North Dakota seems to be doing pretty well right now.

Why aren't you mad at Obama for not prosecuting those on Wall Street who caused this crisis?

MikeyA

Why is the auto worker entitled to a high wage?

Two answers:

1. He is, since he's used to it, through a massive industry with a lot of decades of established pay rates, all protected by a well-funded political structure.

2. He isn't, since his industry is dying or changing.

... depending on your use of the term "entitled". Obviously, option #2 will win out. But that doesn't stop people from believing option #1 will prevail. Humans are very, very bad at detecting long-term economic changes.

You see the new auto worker cannot afford anything but the basics.

You mean he's in the new normal. You don't need two cars. You don't need health insurance. You don't need 4 credit cards, all maxed out from piles of shit you end up stuffing into your garage and attic. You don't need to take vacations in Mexico or have a vacation house.

Twelve bucks an hour is a good wage, in this new normal. It doesn't matter if you accept it or not; it being the new normal, it's there anyway. Cry and whine if those please you to do, it just doesn't matter. Accept the new wage levels or become a homeless mutterer wandering downtown Toledo with a weirdy beardy and unwashed demeanor.

GZ

GZ why the bitterness against those who work hard, paid taxes and supported themselves and others? Autoworkers are no different than anyone else. You'd be surprised at how many have college degrees and chose to work in a factory. Your credit card rant is not specific to autoworker. Most are just normal hard working Americans raising families. The few that make the news are the exception, you should know that. Anyway autoworkers and other union workers set the standard for working American wages. Since the Reaganomic disaster wages have fallen for working people who are working harder for less pay while the the top ten percent have raked in the difference. GZ if you look you'll fine America is the richest country on earth with the most concentration of wealth to a few percent. Its affecting our democracy making us all less free.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

None of that makes any difference. The industry was overpaid and had to compete globally. Therefore wages had to fall. That has to happen to many Americans. And there's nothing you can do to stop it, except stop consuming and capitalize yourself. The big borrowers and spenders in the public (particularly the auto workers) are the shame of us all, and the laughingstock of the world's laborers.

And we don't have a Democracy. We have a Republic, or had... since it's pretty much an Empire now. Get it right.

Your postings are really stomach-turning. You keep talking as if the rest of us (earning much less than auto workers) are somehow going to act to support those auto workers. Think again, fuckwit. If I could get a $2500 car from a Chinese auto company, fucking over all American workers, then I would. That's why I've never bought a new car, since the auto industry has corrupted the government, keeping us paying for cars forced to abide by onerous regulations. This has been amply proven by the Tata Nano, which is for sale in India for $2500, but at least double that for Europe (more corrupt protectionism), and you can't even get it for any amount of money here in the USA.

Do you think we didn't know what "cash for clunkers" was really all about? It was about depleting the stock of used cars, which compete against new cars. And still, I'm not buying a new car. I'll go back to using a bicycle if necessary, specifically to fuck the auto workers for what they've done to us all. I'll go back to walking, if necessary. This a war to the end, and the auto workers are obviously going to lose, despite all their protectionism. They're going to lose since they fucked the entire economy by trying to win, by trying to beat out the rest of the then middle class (not that the Boomer auto workers are the middle class, instead they became the Golden Class). So we all lost; but those who will lose the most are the ones with the most to lose, that being the big borrowers and spenders, which means the auto workers.

You either are delusional or trying to get a rise out of me. The auto workers account for such a small part of the big global picture that its laughable. If you remember the autos got into trouble because of the Banking criminals who ruined our economy causing many to lose everything. The autos were a key component to our economic vitality. To lose this sector would have spell disaster for all. I agree we are not a democracy per say maybe I did use the wrong word but in my lifetime this country has sure turned into a disappointment.
You say we need to compete in a global economy that is set by whom? The whole notion is comical at best thinking of who is making the rules! Competition means nothing when the people have no say. Right now the rulers are making up and new devastating trade agreement called the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). This will be NAFTA on steroids. We will lose even more of our countries sovereignty to unelected world bureaucrats. Read about your future http://www.citizen.org/TPP

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YOUR Dimocrat controlled Senate led by Dimocrat Harry Reid is now importing workers who are willing to take your job at 1/2 the wage.

Thanks to YOUR Dimocrat Senate, the "fat cat" business owners will be making more "obscene profits" while kicking your "creepy cracker ass" to the curb.

Anything for a buck, INCLUDING flushing you union hacks.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Harry Reid is now importing workers who are willing to take your job at 1/2 the wage.

Why are you bothering to point this out? Liberal can't criticize their own leaders. They live in a world of pure partisanship, Us Vs Them, where in order to avoid the Romneys of the world, they'd vote to put a thug like Trayvon Martin in the White House. Or the next best thing: Trayvon's symbolic daddy, Obama. Liberals would put a pet goat into the White House if it meant avoiding one of the rightwing Old Rich White Guys.

The auto workers account for such a small part of the big global picture that its laughable.

They are part of the larger Golden Class of unionized morons. The fall in private unions was made up by a huge increase in the unionized ranks of government workers. We've been essentially attacked and occupied by the Golden Class, and we're taxed to provide for them.

If our automobile sector can't produce a cheaper automobile for the New Normal of low-wage America, then it needs to be shut down. And that's exactly what's happening, despite clearly corrupt government efforts to keep it afloat.

You say we need to compete in a global economy that is set by whom?

It's set by the market. Are you Liberals really that dense? Depleted uranium isn't even that dense. Customer demands for cheaper goods push down cost of operations, which demands that businesses seek overseas labor forces. Eventually an equilibrium is reached, but the weighted average of billions of low earners compared a few hundred million high earners, is still a fairly low wage for the high earners. Therefore wages in the USA must fall to the world mean wage.

This is reality. It's not opinion, it's fucking MATH. Sadly, no Liberal is cognitively prepared for reality, and when it comes to economics, regardless of academic training, most Liberals really can't do basic math.

Labor accounts for between 7 and 10% 0f the cost of a car. Why do you have these uninformed ideas? Read the following
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/08/average-cost-factory-worker_n_1...
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_new_car_price_is_labor_cost

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/09/steven_rattner_on_th...

It's set by the market? Another of your fantasies? The market is made by mortal men who are corrupted by money. You act like the market is some kind of God.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

"The market is made by mortal men who are corrupted by money." Kinda like a union, huh?

Unionized labor is more expensive. All the labor on top of it is also more expensive. Therefore the car created there is more expensive. That's called MATH. It's not even an opinion.

The India-ns are creating a usable car for $2500 street price. The cost of government compliance alone in the USA is probably about that price. Government, unions and the oil companies act together to make sure that Americans are CONDEMNED to being supplied with expensive transportation. But unions are still a factor.

That you can't see the market sets labor price is not surprising. You're a Liberal. You don't believe the market should have that power (and yet, it does). You believe instead that government should set labor rates. Which is why industry in the First World is rapidly decamping for the Second and Third Worlds, to continue being able to compete.

I've no sympathy for the Foreclosure Generation. They overextended themselves and ardently confused debt for wealth. They can always unload, at a loss of course. No one held a gun to their heads to force them to buy and borrow.

Guess who gets to pay to clean up their mess?

Hint: It's not them because they have no money and terrible credit.

There's a city full of walls you can post complaints at

Guess who has to pay and pay and pay for everything anyway? Before the foreclosure mess tried to correct the situation, it was a bad situation. Housing spiraled upward in price, becoming very unaffordable. That cause unsustainable rent inflation too. Isn't paying too much of a mortgage or rent payment "paying", Handie?

We who are powerless will always be targeted to pay, one way or another. The middle class is the sucker class, and this fully explains its downfall.

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