A Case for Regulation: Pink Slime For School Lunch

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Pink Slime For School Lunch: Government Buying 7 Million Pounds Of Ammonia-Treated Meat For Meals
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/05/pink-slime-for-school-lun_n_132...

Pink slime the ammonia-treated meat rejected by major fast food restaurants is being brought in by the tons for the nation's school lunch program.

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Government as the solution to government. Now I HAVE heard it all!

The Dept of Education, a government entity, is buying rejected meat to give to schools run by the government to serve to children. And your solution is to get government involved to prevent it! LOL

I am willing to bet private schools, who also serve lunch, do not have this problem. Again, just one more thing the private sector does better than government.

MikeyA

I don't know about the government meat, but the welfare cheese wasn't bad. The government provides gives the meat to the school children, and throws the meat to the rest of us.

If the slime is unhealthy, blame the company which produces it. Government often is blamed for the failure and/or greed of private providers.

If it's crap then private companies wouldn't make ANY money if no one bought it. In this case not only is the government buying it they're SERVING IT! What greedy private corporation is doing that?

Oh and BTW the USDA says it's 100% good. Those greedy shysters of the private company the USDA.

MikeyA

it's crap! And, who made the crap? A PRIVATE COMPANY--NOT the government! How many times do conservatives say that govenment doesn't make anything?!
If there's a profit to be made, who makes the profit? NOT the government! A private company makes the profit!! Private companies are too often greedy and unconcerned about the consequences of their actions, especially when they sell something to the government. Then conservatives blame the government for the failings of a private company.

If it's not crap, what's the problem?

Glad to know you support the government buying crap.

I have a bag of shit for sale and I am a greedy corporate type. Petition Lucas County to buy it from me. I'll give them a deal only $5000 a bag. Feel free to eviscerate me after I cash the check.

And trust me, after they buy my bag of human shit I will be totally unconcerned with the consequences of what they do with it.

MikeyA

that you support private business selling crap for kids to make a profit.
The difference between you and me is that I understand that human beings are both in business and in government and that human beings are imperfect. You seem to find no fault with business, only with government. I say, they're both at fault here!

So... you're not going to help me sell my bag of poo?

McDonald's and Burger King both passed on the meat. Seems the businesses who would be providing this to eat are being pretty damn responsible.

The only one who wants people to eat it is the government.

MikeyA

70% of all the ground beef in America contains pink slime! Unless you avoid red meat, CONGRATULATIONS! You're a pink slime consumer!

I agree, both are at fault. 90% the governments' and 10% the fault of business.

the government couldn't buy it. As posted above, according to Yahoo, 70% of all ground beef in America contains pink slime...made by a private enterprise company for profit...sold by another private enterprise company for profit. So, I guess in this case, private business is 70% at fault and government is 30% at fault.

Mikey and g-man...I thought you anti-government types trust private business to always to do what's right without government interference. Why would you NOT want the government to buy their "safe" product? How can you call anything made by private business that's used in 70% of an American staple food product "crap"?

But let's let business be business! No government intervention in America! If the business which makes the pink slime says it's safe, who are the FDA folks to say otherwise? Of course those terrible, backward Brits have banned pink slime, What an abomination! Why should government protect us from this "crap"? After all, we're Americans. We can't do anything like them Brits!!!

"If business didnt make it, the government couldnt buy it"

Does that sound flat out stupid to anyone?

If the government didn't buy it, they would have no one to sell it to and therefore stop making it. Once again, our wonderful federal overlords do nothing but perpetuate all things bad/stupid. Gee, go figure.

The fruits of MY labor are not a social commodity.

Unless you avoid red meat, almost certainly YOU EAT PINK SLIME! 70% of ground beef in this country contains pink slime!

BTW...I oppose the government buying and distributing pink slime. I acknowledge when government screws up. The conservatives who are posting here just can't admit that business is at fault EVER! Businesses are making money on pink slime and most of it goes into products sold by other businesses which make money too, selling it to us, NOT TO THE GOVERNMENT!

Those businesses that are selling it are doing it legally because THE USDA APPROVES IT!

So the failure here isn't the businesses, it is government who allows it for sale.

The pink slime could have alternate uses, for instance the internal organs of cows are used in instrument strings, tennis rackets, and for enzyme extraction. The fat of a cow is used in perfumes, ceramics, textiles, chalk and cement. When the business sells the pink slime to a consumer it is not their responsibility to follow up on what the consumer is using it for.

In this case government is the consumer and instead of putting it to another use they chose to feed it to children. Pink Slime + government + children = Epic Fail

MikeyA

Don't you want businesses to make money on anything people will buy without government "interference"?

I thought that you would applaud the government not banning pink slime like those evil Socialists in Britain! Eat them burgers, Mikey!

Well the liberals keep screaming for more regulation. Do I think more regulation is needed in this case? No. What is needed is for the regulation we currently have to be effective.

If McDonald's had bought the pink slime and served it the liberals would not have shut up. Yet because the government wants to buy and serve it hey, that's fine, what we need is more rules.

Again, in this case both McDonald's and Burger King have shown a lot of responsibility. The only being irresponsible is the government. Giving government more checks onto itself will not work.

MikeyA

I want pink slime banned. McDonalds and Burger King did the right thing, but your local supermarket, and your local burger joint are still selling you and me ground beef and burgers with pink slime in it! You excuse anything business does.

Joanne Smith the former Under Secretary of Agriculture under George Bush approved it. Joanne Smith was apparently rewarded by the manufacturers of this crap, Beef Products, Inc. who then hired her and she made nearly $1.2 million there after departing her Agriculture post. Revolving door? You be the judge.

WHAT'S in YOUR Ground Beef? How About PINK SLIME!
http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2012/03/whats-in-your-ground-beef-how-ab...

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BTW

Are the USDA and the Food and Drug Administration two of the government agenicies that you conservatives want to elimnate?

Lay off the crack pipe.

MikeyA

I have never used an illegal drug in my life!

With the hatred espoused here and elsewhere for the government, and with the unquestioned support so-called conservatives give big business, don't you want these governmental agencies to get out of the way and let business be business? Deregulation worked so well in the financial sector under W!! Why not deregulate ALL business. Let's really get government off of our backs!

I'm sorry, but is that not how it works around here? Or am I just supposed to blindly respond to everything like some of the others around here do? Let me know so that I can adjust my posting habits to meet your requirements in the future, ok?

By the way, this is nothing new, it's been going on for decades. Any time you eat processed meat products of any kind, pork, chicken, beef, etc.... you are most likely eating this crap, whether it's in your Mcnuggets, or your whopper or filet o fish, or your favorite TV dinner, all USDA, FDA approved, by buraucrats from both parties, although some on here would like to make it a partisan issue, it is not. This is just one of thousands of examples of the failure of big nanny state government and why we need less of it.
Guess it pays to have good lobbyists.

The fruits of MY labor are not a social commodity.

I always bought my lunch on Tuesday because it was "Pink Slime" day!

"In early 2003, officials in Georgia returned nearly 7,000 pounds to Beef Products after cooks who were making meatloaf for state prisoners detected a “very strong odor of ammonia” in 60-pound blocks of the trimmings, state records show."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31meat.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

“Pink slime,” which is officially called “Lean Beef Trimmings,” is banned for human consumption in the United Kingdom. It is commonly used in dog and chicken food."
http://underthelobsterscope.wordpress.com/

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Now you know why Ted Nugent only eats what he harvests himself.
MMmmMMMmm, slime.

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Have you called your local supermarkets in your area to voice your concern about them selling the pink slime hamburger to customers???

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

70%...you eat it...I eat it. Let's ban it!

Yes called Sautter's Five Star Market today. They grind their meet in store daily. They do NOT use pink slime. McDonald's doesn't use it.

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says that House of Meats in Andersons grinds their own ground beef as well!

Kroger does to, unless it's those tubes of pre-packed burger. the stuff in the styrofoam tray with clear shrink wrap is ground in house. One can also buy a chuck roast or whatever your preference cut is and have it ground right there on the spot. This can be done at any meat store, all you have to do is ask.

The fruits of MY labor are not a social commodity.

Has anyone here read "The Jungle", by Upton Sinclair? Maybe it should be updated, since there's still a problem, 106 years later. And a disgraceful one at that.

Did you know that novel, despite it's impact was fictional? I've had many college students argue that with me but it's true.

MikeyA

The novel was first published in serial form in 1905 in the socialist newspaper Appeal to Reason. It was based on undercover work done in 1904: Sinclair spent seven weeks gathering information while working incognito in the meatpacking plants of the Chicago stockyards at the behest of the magazine's publishers. (MORE)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

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And your point is? It's still a fictional work and many will argue until they're blue in the face that it is not.

MikeyA

Do you know that even back then writers would write a "fictional" novel about real life problems so that they wouldn't get sued and could disguise their sources more easily, thereby protecting their sources from reprisals? But, let's bury our collective heads in the sand, and deregulate totally. Pink slime will be elevated to the level of the most nutritious supplement greedy food processors will add to their food products for you and me to consume!

I don't trust giant, soulless corporations which only care about net profits, dividends, and capital gains. I, personally have neither the time nor the expertise to test all of the products I ingest. I want the FDA and the USDA to protect us! If they are not doing the job well enough, I want them improved, not eliminated!

"I don't trust giant, soulless corporations which only care about net profits, dividends, and capital gains. I, personally have neither the time nor the expertise to test all of the products I ingest. I want the FDA and the USDA to protect us!" So let's get this straight. You don't trust soulless corporations like McDonald's and Burger King, who don't want to serve it, yet you trust the government that does.

LOL. My day was made this morning at 0730. Why can't every day be like this?

MikeyA

The light from exposure embarrassed Mickey Ds and B. King into stopping the practice. Are you so naive that you believe that they stopped using pink slime out of the goodness of their hearts? Really?? That's MY laugh for the day!

You still can't explain away that a company makes this "crap" for profit, and 70% of the ground beef in this country contains this "crap" which retailers sell for a profit. The problem is with greedy giant corporations! I want this stuff banned, just as it is banned in that terrible, socialist nation of Great Britain! I want better government regulation. You want less. Why not eliminate the USDA and FDA. Big business will do what's right! Right?

"Are you so naive that you believe that they stopped using pink slime out of the goodness of their hearts?" I never made that argument. Please don't put words into my mouth.

"The problem is with greedy giant corporations! I want this stuff banned, just as it is banned in that terrible, socialist nation of Great Britain! I want better government regulation. You want less. Why not eliminate the USDA and FDA. Big business will do what's right! Right?" My point is and has been it may have other uses which is why I'm not as quick to ban it as you are.

First, you blame the corporations yet it's not them but the GOVERNMENT FEEDING IT TO YOU!!!

Second, when did I say I wanted less food and drug regulation? Please point out where. I'm waiting. Cite in MLA format for accuracy.

I've never advocated the USDA or FDA being eliminated.

If you actually want to know the government entities I would get rid of or greatly reduce are the FCC, EPA, and Dept of Education. The EPA I'd reduce, the other two are a waste of time since the FedGov has no business in either.

As for the USDA and FDA you might note I wanted BETTER regulation not LESS. Please stop your lying about what I "want".

The USDA and FDA have full right to exist under federal control because of the commerce clause and I think both do a good job.

MikeyA

You admitted that there are some parts of the Federal government of which you approve! In addition you think that the USDA and FDA "both do a good job". And, indeed, you want "...BETTER regulation not LESS". Careful, some others who read this might not like your position supporting these two bureaus!

Sorry about the "goodness of their hearts" comment. You only stated that Mickey D and B King, "...have shown a lot of responsibility..." Of course their not using pink slime is a recent decision. For how many years were they NOT responsible?

And, for your information, the government isn't feeding me anything. The government doesn't process food. Private companies do! It is abhorrent that pink slime is in 70% of our nation's ground beef. It is abhorrent that ground beef with pink slime is to be fed to school children.

You're making progress, Mikey! Maybe we'll get you to the point where you'll support the outright ban of pink slime used as a human food supplement.

Thinking cohort that contradicts his own thinking. Which equals a Progressive Liberal Thinker....Thats why they make your day....

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

You're right DTOM, he's cut from the same mold. Totally embued in his own hate that he cannot argue a point logically because he contradicts himself. Look at his most recent comments.

"You admitted that there are some parts of the Federal government of which you approve!" At what' point did I say I didn't approve of the federal government? I merely said government as a solution to the government is fucktarded. I'm all about a limited federal government, the problem is the liberals have attempted to end it's limitations and jump the checks and balances.

He goes on to ignore that he lied about my position on the USDA and FDA even though the last time he tried to say that I asked him pointedly to stay off the crackpipe.

"Of course their not using pink slime is a recent decision. For how many years were they NOT responsible?" Oh so now he's an expert on McD and BK. Of course he cites nothing to support his "recent decision" claim to back up his argument.

"And, for your information, the government isn't feeding me anything. The government doesn't process food. Private companies do! It is abhorrent that pink slime is in 70% of our nation's ground beef. It is abhorrent that ground beef with pink slime is to be fed to school children." Ok, so the government doesn't feed people? Then he goes on to talk about food processing, totally different. Then he negates his first line and says it's going to be fed to school children..... Because the article would have stated it was only private schools doing this right? LOL He killed his own argument before I could.

"You're making progress, Mikey! Maybe we'll get you to the point where you'll support the outright ban of pink slime used as a human food supplement." At what point did I say we shouldn't have this discussion. Again that's BETTER regulation not necessarily more regulation. My point has and always been it could have other uses which is why I don't necessarily want it banned and we SHOULD expect our government to be RESPONSIBLE enough NOT to serve it to school children when they don't they effectively negate every regulation that was put in place from the farm to the serving line.

MikeyA

Sounds like a classic case of "E Coli Conservatism"

http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/04/18/e_coli_conservatism.php

Pink Slip

Exactly Pink...good article!

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Exactly Pink...good article!

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