Wolfman Institute of Rational Thinking: Why confidence in America is at an all time low

This is my letter to Thom,
http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/03/conservatives-getting-scammed-...
This is my letter to Thom, which he kindly read today in hour 2 of his national radio show. FROM A CONSERVATIVE WHO'S BEEN "MUGGED"

Dear Thom,

I stream your program at 3:00 p.m. e.d.t. from your Chicago affiliate. My purpose in emailing to you is to inform the progressive movement that reinforcements are pouring in from an unlikely direction - the political right! It's pure, sincere and unconditional. Embrace it!

Some 30+ years of commitment to a traditionally conservative ideology has very recently given way to my realization that the political movement which gained my loyalty in the '70's has been hijacked by forces of today's right. The one-word stimulus for that "epiphany" was WISCONSIN! It represents the converse of the somewhat jocular though racially tinged definition of a conservative as a "liberal who's been mugged". Well Thom, it looks like Wisconsin was my mugging.

I'm telling you this story because I deem it important that devoted ideologues of either the left or the right welcome new allies from the other side by walking out to greet them in the center without trying to pull them all the way back into their camp. The side that does a better job of it will prevail!

What happened to me was simple. I am a retired teacher of the NYC high schools, who recalls Ronald Reagan's eloquent characterization of the teacher as "America's finest" when he announced in August 1984 his goal to put one on board a shuttle mission. (Christa McAuliffe to be announced the next year.) What I observe now is a crusade against my profession by Republican governors, senators, congressmen and presidential wannabes - egged on by the angry voices of radio and the poison-penned writings of the internet and print media. They see nothing less than a glorious opportunity to move in for the kill on all of organized labor. The more liberal public employee unions (teachers, AFSCME, SEIU, etc.) are just the beginning. It's a pity that the Tea Party - composed mostly of working folks - has emerged as a group of "useful idiots" in support of policies that will ultimately be their own undoing! Conservative power-elites must be rolling on the floor with laughter over having these fools as their foot soldiers.

That cadre of radio shock jocks, led by the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Crowley, Levin, Beck and Gallagher, constantly decry the "viciousness" of the liberals. Good grief! Do they ever listen to themselves inflaming the public's ire against an educated non-violent minority, i.e. the 6 million people who teach our children? Do they know what history has taught the world about the perils of scapegoating minorities for a nation's economic woes? (Do they care?)

So in three short weeks from mid-February to early March of 2011 the right first lost my enthusiasm, then my assistance, and finally my vote. You can take this to the bank Thom - if they lost me, they will lose millions more!

Keep hammering away at those forces of erosion against our democracy. All the best.

Mike

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LMAO!

You cut and pasted it from here:

http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2011/03/conservatives-getting-scammed-...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Wolfman, I keep telling you to knock off the cutting and pasting. Now Zeit has found the source of "your" words. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, can you please try to keep it authentic?

Patience is a great virtue.

Mike, I thought your name was Paul Wohlfarth of Michigan. This guy is a retired educator from NY.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Everyone's name is "Mike" or "Mickey" around Saint Paddy's Day. So lay off, bastard. And since you're obviously a Frenchie, how did you did you get a first name like "Fred"? Did a kraut rape your granny during the occupation of Paris? Nothing against the French, but I long ago learned that they are the most effete, feeble people ever to populate the European continent. But at least you have a good, strong, German first name.

Patience is a great virtue.

Wow! You actually made a joke of someone possibly raping my grandmother? Truly amazing even for this board.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

"I am a retired teacher of the NYC high schools [....]"

That's where I stopped reading. Some union slob complaining that his overpaid security blanket is under threat? The conflict of interest is DIRECT.

If the Republicans can't cut such obscenities out of the bloated budgets of our levels of government, and the Democrats refuse to, then who will?

Because there is an empty suit little child puppet in the Whitehouse. You Union hack morons and mindless little George Soros owned sheeple put him there.

The only thing worse than Barry Sotero is the jack-offs who voted for him. You dick-heads who voted for this moron should do the world a favor and kill yourselves. You are using good oxygen that smart people need.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

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And yet again...a libtard offers up comendy as a source of wisdom....

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Well it certainly looks at a complicated problem in the way a six year old would, so I suppose it's fitting that Paul Wohlfarth posted it.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred I hear that all Japanese parts and imported cars may be radioactive. Will that devalue your Prius? Will all new Jap cars include a Geiger counter in the glove box? More and more people are realizing that deregulated free trade is bad for their health on top of the job loss and lower pay. A radioactive car or imported radioactive auto part or any product from Japan will cause cancer and be hard to prove its source cause. To take immediate action take all new imported vehicles and auto parts or Japanese products built after 3/10/2011 to the nearest Hazmat facility and have a Geiger counter test for radioactive debris. This is a national priority!!! Were not talking contaminated toothpaste or drywall or dog food. We're talking RADIOACTIVE CARS!!!!

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My car runs on atomic energy which is why I'm able to get 46 mpg Paul. And the added glow in the dark feature makes is easy to find on Toledo's mean streets when street lights are burned out.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

LOL you actually believe that. I shouldn't be surprised your knowledge of foreign policy is about the same extent of a high school sophomore that you'd believe crap like this.

Too bad that the Japanese automakers are selling cars people want. The Chevy Volt is going to kill GM.

I spent a year in Afghanistan. I saved all of the money the government gave me. I had a child early in the deployment. Next week when my block leave hits my wife and I are going to spend 30K on a minivan. The car I buy will be a foreign-owned vehicle. The only foreign company I won't buy from is Chrysler because I've never liked Italian cars.

Again another instance where the "american" companies didn't have a vehicle in the same class that I wanted to buy.

MikeyA

*sigh*....a minivan?

You fought your way around the world, braving Jihadists, IED's, hell fire and death...only to come home and buy a MINIVAN?!?

For 30k you could get the wife a really nice USED minivan AND get yourself a nice used muscle car as well....

Real men only drive minivans when their car is in the shop or when the wife makes you....*snicker*

I wouldnt put my family in a minivan anyways.....I dont find them to be all that crash worthy...

I couldnt get my hands on an APC...so I got the next best thing...something built like a tank.....an F-150 XLT....and I get to drive a nice classic muscle car made of REAL detroit iron...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I've never been cool Z. I've always been practical.

If I wanted to be cool I wouldn't have bought a Ford Focus for 11K back in 03 when all my buddies were driving SUV's and fast cars. But on the weekend I was the only one in the barracks who had money to go anywhere and do anything.

Plus the benefit to the minivan is the one thing my wife and are are insistent about is that it have a trailer hitch. She wants it because she wants to get a trailer for what will be our many moves to come. I want it because I am holding hope to get a boat in the next 3 years as I had to sell mine after I graduated college.

MikeyA

Pffft...defending your nation is cool....no matter what the libtards say about it...

I just cant picture....

"what you gonna do when you get home?"

"I'm gonna buy me a minivan!"

heh...bet mama made you do something else first...

*grin*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"heh...bet mama made you do something else first..." LOL Yeah! You should see my "honey-do" list. LOL

MikeyA

I just watched the subject video. This guy is great, plenty of hand gestures plus he full of shiot. He is so good in fact, he could be selling the Sham-Wow crap.

AmericanPie

like the attitude he shows in each and every post he puts out here wouldnt show in his day to day life... And then he blames everyone but himself for being unemployed. Shit!! who'd wanna work with him?? What business would wanna PAY for what he brings to the table??

I agree Billy.

I find it funny how he talks of the "fatcats" yet he has better benefits than most who post on here yet that's just "pension envy". And when you suggest that the unions live just a little bit thinner in times of need then you are starting a war.

It is a "everyone else but me" mentality which is nothing more than the NIMBY mentality. That's why I was so against the bailouts. This country has become so self centered and entitled that we needed a very bad recession to ground us to reality. Unfortunately the bailouts have only prolonged it. I am afraid we are in for a long road and when we do finally learn the lesson, which we will, it will be a hard pill to swallow.

MikeyA

Union fatcats...riding the backs of the workers...

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Largest unions pay leaders well, give extensively to Democrats
By John C. Henry, Center for Public Integrity
March 3, 2011 |(857) Comments

On the surface, the fight between the governor of Wisconsin and organized labor is about balancing state budgets and collective-bargaining rights. Behind the scenes, hundreds of millions of dollars in compensation to top labor leaders as well as campaign contributions to Democrats could be in jeopardy.

Union treasuries - filled by dues paid by union members - not only fund programs benefiting union members and their families. The money they collect also pays six-figure compensation packages for labor leaders and provides millions of dollars for Democratic causes and candidates.

The Center for Public Integrity found compensation for leaders of the 10 largest unions ranged from $173,000 at the United Auto Workers to $618,000 at the Laborers' International Union of North America, and almost $480,000 for the president of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees. The latter is the target of GOP governors in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio, Tennessee and Kansas.

The union reports, filed with the Department of Labor, list compensation for all union employees and officers. Salaries make up the biggest portion, but other benefits can include tens of thousands of dollars for meal allowances, mileage allowances and entertainment. Health care and pension contributions are not specifically addressed.

The reports show that assets of the various labor unions run into the hundreds of millions of dollars, and payrolls rival midsize companies. Among the Top 10 unions, dozens of top officials have salary-and-benefit packages that rank them among the top percentage of income-earners in the country.

"What's very clear to union leaders is the huge threat this poses for the organizations they have built," said John C. McAdams, political science professor at Marquette University in Wisconsin.

The standoff began when Gov. Scott Walker proposed deep cuts in state workers' benefits to help close a projected $3.5 billion deficit in the state budget. Although unions have said they would agree to cuts in health insurance and retirement plans, Walker is pushing to curtail bargaining rights and make it harder to organize workers and collect dues.

Gerald McEntee, president of the AFSCME, said Walker is retaliating for organized labor's support of Democrats, in particular for the money given to his opponent in the 2010 election.

In the 2010 elections in Wisconsin, AFSCME gave almost $83,888 to Democratic candidates. Half that amount went to the campaign of Tom Barrett, whose top 10 donors were unions. Barrett lost to Walker, who promised during the campaign to take on organized labor if elected.

"This is political payback, which does nothing to promote job growth or help the middle class," McEntee said on The Huffington Post. "This is nothing less than union busting at its most transparent, designed to deny workers a voice in the workplace."

The membership of AFSCME, which evolved from a state employees union organized in Wisconsin in 1932, has grown by 25% over the last decade. McEntee, who has been president since 1981, says more than 145,000 government employees have joined AFSCME since 2006.

McEntee's pay and benefits have grown along with his membership stats. Reports by the union indicate that his salary has increased by about 4% a year, even as many workers have faced pay freezes and unpaid furloughs. In 2009, his compensation totaled almost $480,000.

These are the 10 largest unions, noting the number of employees who have compensation packages of more than $200,000, leadership salaries and campaign contributions to federal candidates in 2009-'10.

• National Education Association. Membership: 3.2 million; assets: $216 million. The NEA, representing most of the nation's teachers, has 31 headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000 in pay and benefits. The president, Dennis Van Roekel, received $397,721 in salary and benefits. Of the $3.7 million NEA spent on political activities in the last election cycle, 98% went to Democratic candidates. The NEA has 98,000 members in Wisconsin.

• Service Employees International Union. Membership: 1.8 million; assets: $187 million. The SEIU, whose membership has increased in recent years, has been organizing hospital, home care and nursing home workers, along with local and state government employees, janitors and security officers. The union has nine headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000. The former president, Andy Stern, was paid $306,388 in salary and benefits from the union in 2009. Stern resigned in 2010 and was replaced by Mary Kay Henry, formerly the executive vice president. Over the past two years, SEIU gave almost $2 million to Democratic candidates and $8,500 to Republicans. It has 18,000 members in Wisconsin.

• United Food & Commercial Workers. Membership: 1.3 million; assets: $157 million. The UFCW, whose members work in meatpacking, food processing and retail grocery stores, has 17 headquarters officers and employees who earn more than $200,000. The president, Joseph T. Hansen, received $360,737 in compensation in 2009. Of the $1.9 million the union donated to political candidates over the past two years, 99% of it went to Democrats.

• International Brotherhood of Teamsters: Membership: 1.3 million; assets: $175 million. The Teamsters, whose origins date to the horse- and mule-team drivers of the late 1800s, represent truck drivers and a wide array of blue-collar and government workers. Eight headquarters officers and employees received more than $200,000 in 2009. The president, James P. Hoffa, was compensated $364,869. Over the past two years, the Teamsters have donated $2.3 million to Democratic candidates and $46,500 to Republicans.

• American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees. Membership: 1.5 million; assets: $78 million. AFSCME, one of the fastest growing unions in the United States, was founded in Wisconsin almost 80 years ago. At union headquarters in Washington, 10 officers and employees receive more than $200,000 a year. McEntee was paid $479,328 in salary and benefits in 2009. Over the past two years, AFSCME has donated $2.3 million to Democratic candidates and $78,500 to Republicans.

• Laborers' International Union of North America. Membership: 633,000; assets: $134 million. The Laborers represent mostly construction workers in 500 locals in the U.S. The headquarters in Washington has 17 officers and employees who earn more than $200,000 a year, including 10 who earn more than $300,000. Terence O'Sullivan, union president since 2000, received $618,000 in salary and benefits in 2009. Of the $1.7 million donated to political candidates over the past two years, 95% went to Democrats.

• American Federation of Teachers. Membership: 887,000; assets: $115 million. AFT is the smaller of the two teacher unions and also represents school support staff, higher education faculty and staff, health care professionals and state and municipal employees. At AFT's headquarters in Washington, nine officers and employees earn more than $200,000 a year. Randi Weingarten, who was elected president in 2008, received $428,284 in salary and benefits. Of the $2.4 million donated to political candidates in the past two years, the union gave all but $10,000 to Democrats.

• International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers. Membership: 685,000; assets: $482 million. IBEW represents electricians, linemen and other public utility employees, along with some computer, telecommunications and broadcasting workers. Sixteen of the IBEW's officers and employees in Washington earned more than $200,000 in 2009. Edwin D. Hill, the union president since 2001, received $375,767 in pay and benefits. Hill and other top officials received salary increases averaging at least 4% each in the past several years, even as membership declined by 5%.

• International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers. Membership: 613,000; assets: $147 million. IAM, which grew out of a secret meeting of 19 machinists in a Georgia rail yard in 1888, represents machinists and aerospace workers in more than 200 industries. At the union's Maryland headquarters near Washington, 34 officers and employees earn over $200,000 in salary and benefits. Robert Buffenbarger, who became president in 1997, received $284,975. Over the past two years, the IAM donated $1.98 million to Democratic candidates and $34,000 to Republicans.

• United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America. Membership: 538,000; assets: $1.2 billion. The UAW, founded in 1935 by automobile plant workers, currently represents workers at General Motors, Ford and Chrysler, along with workers in the aerospace and agriculture industries. None of the officers or employees at the UAW headquarters in Detroit earns more than $200,000 a year. Over the past two years, the UAW donated more than $1.6 million to political candidates, and all but $3,000 went to Democrats.

Center for Public Integrity reporters Aaron Mehta and Laurel Adams contributed to this report. The Center for Public Integrity is a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization whose mission is to produce investigative journalism about significant public issues. It is based in Washington, D.C.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Z you'll like this one.

Yesterday I found out the waitresses who work on base are AFSCME employees. They make $9.00 an hour.

I used to work at the old Rosie's on Heatherdown's. I made about $2.50 an hour plus tips which were then taxed because I was a "fatcat" obviously.

That is the last time I tip any of those waitresses. Not that they don't do good work but $9 an hour is way too much money to get to receive tips.

MikeyA

Yes I agree, I too was against the Wall Street bailouts. The last twenty years wages have been stagnate while the Wall Street crowd share grew larger till they could influence our political class without impunity. Hell not one of them went to prison for the 2008 banking crisis that we bailed out and they handed out our money in bonuses to boot! Back in 1985 Reagan threw 1000 of the criminals in prison for the S&L debacle today they are above the law. Hell right now there out golfing in their gated communities tipping the caddy with stolen loot! This only guarantees the next theft of our financial markets. Hopefully one day the little people like you and me will all wake up to the fact we're being had!

Billy you smoking pot with Fred? Who's unemployed? Thom Hartmann started his own company back in the 1980s sold it for a wad then grew restless as he seen the American dream disappear for most Americans. He's way over qualified when comparing himself to those college blowhard dropouts (drug addict Rush Limbaugh & alcoholic Glenn Beck) Thom bio is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann

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No we don't agree because while I too am against the wall street bailouts you support the car company bailouts.

I am not in favor of bailing anyone out but the American taxpayer. I'm especially against bailouts of failing companies especially Italian ones like Chrysler.

MikeyA

If you're not for bailouts then you support cutting the $700 billion military budget. Americans are bailing out the world with ours alone war on terror. $700 billion is about half our yearly budget. Since were broke surely we can cut that in half and bring back our over extended troops around the world. Let the other countries defend themselves.
March 4, 2011
There are 325,000 U.S. military personnel in foreign countries:

-800 in Africa

-97,000 in Asia (excluding the Middle East and Central Asia)

-40,258 in South Korea

-40,045 in Japan

-491 at the Diego Garcia Base in the Indian Ocean

-100 in the Philippines, 196 in Singapore

-113 in Thailand

-200 in Australia

-16,601 Afloat

-116,000 Europe

-1,000 Kyrgyzstan

-6,000 Middle East

-700 Guantanamo

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I'd recommend not arguing military funding with me. I destroy you out of the water every time. As I have done in past posts I will direct you to read the works of three individuals: Clausewitz, Mahan and Kissinger. The first is a German staff officer with no wartime experience who wrote the bible on modern warfare. The second is an American Admiral who wrote Naval strategies that after put into effect by Teddy Roosevelt still stand 100 years later. The last is the former SoS whose theory on atomic warfare and atomic practice helped lead us through and out of the Cold War.

Because you don't understand basic military strategy I will not argue it's points with you and instead dissect your post.

1. Do you really think Guantanamo Bay is there to defend Cuba? If so find your high school history teacher and kill them for me. If they're dead kill their children so their spawn cannot infect the world.

2. I was on and posted onto here from the base in Kyrgyzstan. It is not for defense as it is a embarkation hub to Afghanistan and the rest of Central Asia. If you're looking for that base as a defense you'd be better off building a castle with a moat.

Shall I continue?

MikeyA

"Know the smallest things and the biggest things, the shallowest things and the deepest things. As if it were a straight road mapped out on the ground ... These things cannot be explained in detail. From one thing, know ten thousand things. When you attain the Way of strategy there will not be one thing you cannot see. You must study hard."

Musashi

“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly...specialization is for insects”

Heinlein

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Well folks, that's the sum and substance of the problem: We can't cut government budgets -- and in fact they only grow -- since there's always a sector of the population that screams when their pet government project is proposed for cutting.

We've ended up with a two-party system that only comes up with budget increases, even when they meet in committee for the purpose of finding cuts!

The social-welfare people will never allow cuts. The military people will never allow cuts. The corporate-welfare people will never allow cuts. That's why the federal budget ballooned from $9 billion in 1940 to $3300 billion in 2009 ... representing nearly 70 years of 8%/yr government inflation. Here's a clue if you aren't understanding yet: Over the same period, wage growth was only about 3%/yr.

Eventually this government growth is going to require all your income, taken through taxes and fees. Are you just going to let that happen? It's a positive guarantee that you're going to be paying 25% higher taxes by the year 2030. There goes all your discretionary spending. No more movies. No more eating out. No more Christmas gifts. No more anything ... nothing but paying for housing and utilities and food and taxes. Slaves lived better than that.

Exactly spend all our wealth till no one will loan us another dime then how secure will the United States be?

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower~

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
~Dwight D. Eisenhower~

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The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism,’ they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened. -Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Ike warned us, but he himself couldn't actually cast the first stone, since he depended on that same MIC to run his base of power. So it's little wonder why we didn't heed his verbal warnings at all. The era of the Second World War actually never ended, since the world's major military powers kept in a constant state of war readiness that is the next best thing to outright warfare. That fulfilled Ike's so-called fear that we'd give in.

And ... of course we gave in. Every nation in NATO and the Warsaw Pact gave in. A state of perpetual war and fear came to exist, which was very profitable for the MIC that inherited the reins of Western Civilization. The three major world powers of Russia, Western Europe and the USA spent over 50 years being the world's source of armaments. All the citizens of those nations and regions suffered a lack of individual control over their own wealth, in order to give great power to all the corporations within the MICs of their regions. Now those corporations are dropping the citizens like bad pennies. The social contracts (fatally flawed though they were) broke and will never be reformed.

So as citizens, we're on our own, and self-sufficiency must be pursued by everyone, even if most people have to be dragged into it kicking and screaming.

Wow you must be smart you can look up quotes on the internet.

Too bad you don't understand them or their appropriate application.

The difference between the fool and the ignoramus is the fool thinks he knows what he is talking about.

If you ever want a lesson in military application we can talk Clausewitz, Sun Tzu, even C.S. Forrester for hours. In fact I'm going to assign you a homework assignment Wolf. Read the pamphlet "A Message to Garcia" and describe how through this military lesson we can learn how Unions fail society.

If a pamphlet is too hard for you I can see if they have it in pop-up form.

MikeyA

My confidence in this country is mixed. I've tried to blieve,if you do the right things and obey the law you will be okay. I'm not sure that is true at all. The older I get the more I become exposed to creatures from "Animal Farm". There seems to be an over abundance of people who have political connections and Clicks whose mission is to stab you in the back and steal or take everthing you have. Their motto is clear to me,"All citizens are created equal, but some citizens are more equal than others". They twist and turn the rules and laws to deny us of our inalienable rights, and when you finally go to the great beyond, they stand up to proclaim to the world what a great person you were as they drive away in the Mercedezs Benz they bought with your money. I've found the best way to handle these people is to stay out of their way. If their is a Heaven I know I won't see them there after I pass on.

While Americans are suffering with crumbling infrastructure and states that are flirting with bankruptcy our military has got us into another war!!! One BILLION a week added to our China credit card. What fools we are!!! 700 billion a year military, half of the United States budget is being squanders on now three wars yet our politicians have plans to cut social security, medicare, and any social program that directly benefit Americans. Our trading partners are laughing at the foolish Americans while they build their economic infrastructure might we fritter it away on destructive foreign wars!
The green-behind-the-ears jarheads who post here are blinded by the excess of the Military Industrial Complex. I remember Dwight D. Eisenhower he cared about the country. The modern interstate expressway was his baby. He warned about bloated military budgets but no one listened. The more money they get the more they can justify another war.

Why Libyan War Is America's War
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The military cannot get us into wars. Your commie heroes Chairman Maobomba and Slick Hilly Clinton are responsible for this mess. AGAINST the advisement of defense seceratary Robert Gates, I might add. I swear if you had a fucking brain you'd take it out and play with it.

The fruits of MY labor are not a social commodity.

Where are the mass protests?

I suffer no illusions about Muamar Qaddafi. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.… The world, and the Libyan people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Qaddafi poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors…and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

Note: The above is a direct quote from then Senator Obama. I just replaced Saddam Hussein's name with Qaddafi's and Iraqi with Libyan. And Pres. Bush had the consent of Congress AND a UN resolution at the time of the invasion.

But yet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003_anti-war_protest

This only confirms what I've always said. The majority of the protesters were not against the war for reasons of pacifism or because they didn't believe in American exceptional-ism. It was based in partisan politics and leftover anger at the loss of the 2000 election.

I have only seen one organized group come out against the current action. While I don't agree with them I can at least respect their opinion which is consistent and truly based upon reasoned principles and not politics or political sway.

MikeyA

Yeah, the silence from the anti-war libtard crowd is deafening to say the least. Guess it's ok to start wars with countries that didn't attack us or even pose a threat as long as you're a good left-wing commiecrat.

The fruits of MY labor are not a social commodity.

Oil

This is putting American military lives in danger not for oil but for foreign oil.

Have you ever seen where the UK and France get their oil? Majority comes from Libya.

Now again. I support taking out Qaddafi for the same reason I did Hussein because he's a bad guy. I'd have no problem taking out a lot of other bad guys. But the left's silence is deafening and it's pretty indicative of their real feelings. I don't like playing politics with the military in any instance.

MikeyA

The thinking goes.....something like this: $700 billion being spent on our military adventures but no serious talk of cutting back the outflows. Only the domestic spending side is being cut along with attacks on the Middle class standard of living. The big picture here is the fact we've lost control of our government. Huge cash is being spent behind the scenes to influence our politicians in a certain way. With the Citizens United decision http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission last year multinational corporations can spend on the American political system with abandon. The multinationals need a strong defense to protect their global interests, America serves this need whether we can afford it or not! Corporate America is now complaining about its supposed 35% corporate tax. They say its among the worlds highest but most pay only a fraction of this while hiding their assets offshore. The American people are funding corporate welfare at the expense of its own people. Both sides of the political aisle are playing this game while we all pretend we have a choice in the outcome.
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How quickly we forget the wars Laurel and Hardy (Bush & Bush) started. If something like this occurred in a European nation instead of Libya, many of you would be supportive. Shame, shame, shame!

Don't pull that BS Kirk.

If you look at my posts I am supportive of the action. But again I don't need any double speak from the President. All I want him to say is "He's a bad guy, we're going to remove him." and that would be it. Instead he says "He has to go." yet his Press Secretary says they aren't targeting him. Um.... WHAT?

And the point of my posts wasn't against the action. In fact, I've of the mind that he doesn't HAVE to have consent of Congress to use the military as they are now.

My point was those on the left who lambasted President Bush, as you do, are deafeningly quiet when BOTH Presidents Bush had consent of Congress and the support of more countries.

In fact your assertion that the Gulf War was started by President Bush or America is emphatically wrong.

MikeyA

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