Right Wing Health Care Hate Mongers

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03052010/watch.html
March 5, 2010
Bill Moyers sits down with former insurance executive turned public health advocate Wendell Potter, who argues that all is not lost in the healthcare bill and details what he likes about the legislation.

As Democrats in Congress and the President move forward on health care reform, giant health insurance companies are back in the news, and they aren't winning many friends.

Some of America's largest insurers caused an uproar recently by raising individual premiums, in some cases by as much as 39%. The move seemed so tone-deaf, that two FOX BUSINESS reporters scolded a WellPoint executive for the bad timing. Host Charles Payne asked, "Didn't someone though, wasn't there a committee that said listen, let's take Wall Street's lead, do the minimum we can, wait for this to blow over and maybe a year from now try to hike rates?" Co-host Stu Varney continued, "You handed the politicians red meat at a time when health care is being discussed. You gave it to them!"

To get an inside look at what health insurance companies might be thinking as health care reform gains momentum, Bill Moyers turns again to former insurance insider Wendell Potter. When Potter first sat down with Bill Moyers on the JOURNAL, his exposé of insurance industry media practices sent ripples through the health care debate. He returns during the Democrat's final push for comprehensive health care reform to discuss the insurance industry's strategy, what's good and bad about the bill, and why he'd vote for it if he were in Congress.

Potter believes that profits drove the most recent rate increases, "Well, these companies are for-profit companies, and they think first and foremost about their shareholders. That's the first stakeholder that they consider. And they know that they have to meet those expectations or their stock prices will suffer."

As for the seemingly bad timing, Potter thinks the insurance companies aren't concerned, knowing that they've invested millions of dollars on lobbying and campaign contributions to members of Congress. With that kind of influence, says Potter, "They do this because they know they can. And they're willing to take whatever lumps they might take in the public and before Congress."

Ultimately, according to Potter, the health insurance companies will continue to be profitable whether or not the reform passes — by requiring people to buy health insurance, the government is delivering insurers millions of new customers — but that's not a reason to vote against the bill, "It will bring a lot of people into coverage. And it will help people be able to afford coverage. 45,000 people die every year in this country because they don't have coverage. We can't go on another year and let 45,000 of our people die, just because of that."
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Mar 4, 2010
Many people are surprised at the actual cost of getting care from a hospital. One southern Colorado woman tells 11 News she was shocked when she opened her bill after a short visit to the emergency room.

The charges from her bill were more than $5,000. And most of that cost was just for being in one of the ER rooms. Joan Silva isn't angry about the bill; like many she wants to know why the cost of health care is so high. She says she was charged nearly $100 for a test that you could take at home for a tenth of that cost. Silva ended up in the ER to treat her stomach flu. "It really surprised me that it could cost this much," she said.

Silva’s detailed bill shows a charge of more than $5,151 to her insurance company. More than $3,500 of that is just for the room. "I was shocked," she said after opening the bill.

To find out why bills like Silva’s are often thousands more than one might expect, 11 News talked with the President and C.E.O. of Penrose-St. Francis, Margaret Sabin. "The entire industry is dealing with the decreasing reimbursement because of decreasing coverage," said Sabin. “And that is sometimes challenging to the public because they may see higher and higher charges but we’re saying we’re getting less and less of the dollar reimbursement.”

Sabin has been running Penrose-St. Francis for a little more than a year. She said in the last few years about one in four or maybe even one in every three patients can't or don't pay their bills. When a bill is paid, in most cases, most of it is covered by insurance companies.

With the increase in people going underinsured or uninsured, Penrose Hospital is only seeing about 30 cents on the dollar. So just to meet operating costs hospitals like Penrose-St. Francis have to charge higher rates to everyone and many of those bills won't be paid.
http://www.kktv.com/home/headlines/86476387.html

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Note...the *cough* article doesnt tell you what her final portion of the bill was...

It misleads you to think she had to pay 5000 for the ER visit...

I bet her portion was more like couple hundred at most.....

And guess what...you CAN get zero deductible insurance.....it's just more expensive...

Ofcorse such plans will be considered "caddillac plans" and people with them will pay to pay an income tax penalty for havng good insurance...

If a socialist like dogboy supports it...you can bet your ass it's a socialist program at heart....

How do the democrats propose to HELP the uninsured?

Fine and tax them....Duh....

Water is Wet.

BTW this statistic is a flat out lie:

"45,000 people die every year in this country because they don't have coverage."

Been debunked by qualified researchers:

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Lies, Statistics, and the 45,000 dead from lack of insurance
September 21, 2009, 2:44PM

The shocking headlined screamed "45,000 die each year from lack of health insurance". WOW! That sounds bad. Now let's see how they came up with that.
from :http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2009/09/uninsured_hold.html
"Researchers from Cambridge Health Alliance report in the American Journal of Public Health on a study that followed 9,005 adults under 65 years old who took part in a national survey conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from 1986 through 1994. After 12 years, 351 people had died. Sixty of them were uninsured and 291 were insured. "
From this, and based on the estimate of 40 million uninsured, they extrapolated 45,000 deaths per year. Nowhere did they investigate the cause of the deaths, they simply attributed all deaths to lack of insurance to get the shocking headline number. So, using their logic, the 291 others deaths in the study must be attributed having insurance. Therefore having insurance increases your risk of death by 500%! YES! Almost a quarter of a million killed each year because they have insurance, and Obama wants EVERYONE to have insurance? Aren't enough people dying already? What kind of a monster is he?
(For the sarcasm impaired, I realize this is absurd and a complete misrepresentation of the data. The point is that the original 'study' is just as absurd, but no one bothered to look critically at the data because it supported their agenda.)

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/thecleverbulldog/2009/09...

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But then again.....no liberal/progressive/socialist worth his salt ever let reality get in the way of good demagoguery.

You are not supposed to "think or fact check"...only to "ingest and feel" the requesite emotion...

Driven as chattle.....from Automatons lead by Obamatons...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Or is your fact check relying on a blog post. Which hardly qualifies as a debunking. Which is supposed to have more weight than a rigorous, peer-review process that is a gold-standard for producing quality research papers. Doesn't mean that the study is right, just that it's been read and torn apart by many others in the field before its even allowed to see the light of day. Before you rail against others fact checking, perhaps you should consider what counts as more or less credible evidence.

Is this woman mentally retarded or something? You don't use the ER for stomach flu. You only use the ER in cases when DEATH IS IMMINENT UNLESS TREATED. That means for gunshot wounds, wounds from accidents, severe allergic reactions, certain animal bites, heart attacks, etc.

The ER is the most expensive care extant. Therefore your exposure to it should be minimized.

Emergency care is not a commodity. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a damned fool.

And again, he is the first to comment on himself. Too funny.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

@Fred:

I guess he forgets to put on his sockpuppet? Or maybe it just gets too confusing, having all those usernames on his computer's memory cache?

But I guess I gotta give him points for persistence...

That's because he, as well as most/all liberal wankers-->are legends in their own minds.

This is an actual letter to the Oakland Press today. I wish him well.

I became one of the millions of the uninsured last week. I pondered how could this happen, I am self-employed, a home owner and married with two kids.

I am the normal guy next door. I had to pick between keeping my wife and children insured or myself. The choice isn’t really all that hard. I have never overspent on a credit card, I bought a house I could afford and I still own it. I needed to go on the drug Topimax, which caused my premium to double on my policy. That’s right — a 100-percent increase because I took steps to make myself well. Sounds pretty American to me.

I support the health care reform because I am not some far away problem. I am the guy who works as much as 14 hours per day to feed my kids. I have always stood on my own two feet. I was a Republican but I cannot support a party that does not help its own people.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

More BS...the guy owns his own business...he's self employed:

He wants YOU to pay for his health care...

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

BUSTED!!!!
lolz!

This is an actual letter written by someone in Toledo. I am not one of the millions of the supposed uninsured . I pondered how could this happen, I am not self-employed, a home owner and married with two kids.

I am the normal guy next door. I haven't had to pick between keeping my wife and children insured or myself. The choice isn’t really all that hard. I have never overspent on a credit card, I bought a house I could afford and I still own it. Sounds pretty American to me.

I don't support the current version health care reform because I am not some far away problem. I am the guy who works as much as 14 hours per day to feed my kids. I have always stood on my own two feet. I have voted Democrat in the past but I cannot support a party that tries to continually tax its own people.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I don't think anyone will deny that health care needs some work.
2 of the biggest complaints are increasing HC premiums and people being denied due to pre existing conditions.
Fine, why not address those 2 things instead of having the government take over the whole thing? We sure as hell don't need a bloated 2000+ page bill.

It's kind of like, "my car is low on washer fluid, I guess I'll have the engine rebuilt".

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Actually...it's more like..I blew up my engine cuz I didnt put oil in it....now I want to sign up for the extra warrantly I was too cheap to pay for in the first place......oh yeah.... and I want it for free now....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Would you buy a used or new car from our leader in Washington if he told you that you can't drive it for four years, but you have to make the monthly payments starting right now? That's our health care plan in Washington from the Democrats.

toledojim

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