The Propaganda Media State

Does a WSPD or a Toledo Free Press have the resources to do real journalism?
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Saving American Journalism
Is good journalism going extinct? Fractured audiences and tight budgets have downsized or sunk many of the fourth estate's major battleships, including this very program.
This week, NOW's David Brancaccio talks to professor Bob McChesney and journalist John Nichols about the perils of a shrinking news media landscape, and their bold proposal to save journalism with government subsidies. Their new book is "The Death and Life of American Journalism: The Media Revolution that Will Begin the World Again."
Should journalism get the next government bailout?

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Wolfman,

No newspaper should ever receive taxpayer bailout money.

Toledo Free Press does not have the "resources" to, for example, send a reporter to Haiti or the Olympics, but please read and compare these examples of resources used in the last 24 hours on the TPS investigation and Kasich visit:

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2010/01/15/affidavit-ties-sanders-to-tps-...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100116/NEWS04/11...

http://www.toledofreepress.com/2010/01/15/ohio-governor-candidate-john-k...

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100116/NEWS09/11...

I did not see either story on the WSPD, WTOL, 13abc or WNWO 24 Web sites as of 9 a.m. All of those media outlets have more "resources" than Toledo Free Press does.

Can we send five reporters to the scene of a fire? No. Can we investigate, report and analyze a story as well as newsrooms with far more "resources"?

Toledo Free Press:

2009 Ohio Society of Professional Journalists Awards:
* Best weekly newspaper in Ohio in the Best of Show category for newspapers with a circulation over 100,000.
* Best Media Criticism.

2008 Ohio Society of Professional Journalists Awards:
* 2nd place: Best Weekly Newspaper.
* 3rd place: Best Columnist in Ohio.
* 3rd place: Best Media Criticism.

2009 Crystal Awards ( Toledo Chapter of Women in Communications):
* 1st place: Best News Feature Series.
* 1st place: Best Opinion Column.
* 2nd place: Best Feature Series.
* 2nd place: Best Special Section.
* 1st place: Best Student Media.

2008 Crystal Awards ( Toledo Chapter of Women in Communications):
* 1st place: Best Investigative News Story.
* 1st place: Best Opinion Column.
* 1st place: Best Student Work.
* Merit Award: Best Feature Series.
* Merit Award: Best Breaking News Story.
* Merit Award: Best Special Section.

WSPD plays to the angry white male. Their focus is narrow and limited. More about the ratings than a balanced view. The other broadcast local news outlets play to the shallow viewer that looks for entertainment rather than hard hitting in depth news. I seldom watch any of these.The Toledo Blade has in the past had the resources to cover local and state investigative stories. Your paper usually breaks many news stories first but I doubt you have the resources to do an exhaustive costly investigation. You can cover the local scene but regional and state wide issues are iffy at best. This is why it's so important for many media outlets. They keep each other honest. I know Michael in the past you've stated that the Toledo Blade is a valuable resource for Toledo even though you are at odds with it. I personally subscribe to three newspapers. I feel it important to support newspapers.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Then by all means you should support newspapers. You can do that by buying subscriptions for all the newspapers you read. But don't take tax money to support newspapers.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

wolfman subscribes to only "real journalism". ALL OTHER VOICES SHALL BE SILENCED.

Personally I wish he'd publish a list of all the things he thinks I should have my tax money spent on so I know how much I need to make so I can not only feed my family but also support all he wants our gov't to do. It's only fair.

MikeyA

No question, state and even some regional coverage is a difficult challenge for Toledo Free Press, for now. And yes, our city definitely needs a daily newspaper with the caveat that my caveats on that situation are no secret.

I agree with you that it is wise to collect news from as many sources as you can.

John Block's pet projects would simply be replaced by another owner's pet projects that would might adhere to a different political agenda, but it would still be an 'agenda.'

And what are we to make of Tom Pounds, for example, anyhow? How many years did he work for the Blocks?

We should be more concerned about media like The Blade having an ideology that inhibits real journalism.

I never knew that some Founding Fathers (like James Madison) supported and executed government subsidies for journalism. Interesting.

Pink Slip

Jefferson bought bibles for public schools with federal money too....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Really? I've never heard that. Do you know where I can read more about this? (I know he cut out parts of the Bible--took out the hocus pocus parts, etc)

Pink Slip

That is the "Jefferson bible"...intended as a primer for the Indians on Christ’s teachings.

I'll have to dig around for the link...

Here's a quickshot though:

http://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/faith/the-faith-of-our-fathers/th...

"In 1803, at the request of President Thomas Jefferson, the United States Congress allocated federal funds for the salary of a preacher and the construction of his church. That same year, Congress, again at Jefferson’s request, ratified a treaty with the Kaskaskia Indians. Congress recognized that most of the members of the tribe had been converted to Christianity, and Congress gave a subsidy of $100.00 a year for seven years for the support of a priest so that he could “instruct as many … children as possible.”"

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"intended as a primer for the Indians on Christ’s teachings"

Well...no that wasn't his reason for cutting it up. Jefferson didn't believe Jesus was a deity. And the blog you referenced (written by who-knows), does not claim that Jefferson bought bibles for public schools with federal money. Try again.

Pink Slip

You cant read so good sometimes?

"I'll have to dig around for the link"

As for your assertion that Jefferson didn't believe Jesus was a deity....that is pure BS....Jefferson WAS a deist...

"I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

Jefferson was a rather odd fish...he certainly believed in "God"....he also had huge issues with organised religion...

Thus we could toss quotes around all day to support either argument...

But when the man says he could never be an atheist...I'll take him at his word...it's not like I can ask him....

You postion requires that we ignore his actions as president and beyond...such as requesting a priest be paid by congress to teach indians christianity in 1803...

“I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our creator.”

Written by Jefferson in his own christian bible...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Someone can be a deist, and believe that Jesus was not a deity. I hope you are able to make this distinction. Also, I never claimed he was an atheist (gasp!), and I haven't thrown any quotes around.

If you find that link, let me know. Damn, this thread is off target now. Madison and others recognized the importance of watchdog journalism--enough so that subsidies were used to help further it's pursuit. Considering this, it's odd that this idea is cringe-inducing today.

Pink Slip

Jefferson described himself as a Christian. The meaning of Christian is someone who accepts Jesus as the Christ, hence the son of God.

Pink you are trying to make a grand conjecture on something of which there are many facts to dispute your theory.

MikeyA

Come on Mikey, it's pretty widely known that Jefferson did not believe in the divinity of Christ. But he did greatly admire his teachings.

Pink Slip

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MikeyA

The books "Founding Faith" & "The Religious Life of Thomas Jefferson ", his writings, etc.

Pink Slip

"I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did."
-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I thought you didn't want to throw quotes around? Anyway, this doesn't even address Jefferson's Christ/divinity denial.

Pink Slip

I only asked for a citation because a resounding majority of Christians, especially from over 100 years ago, did not question the divinity of Jesus.

Even today it's commonplace amongst Christians yet related faiths, Judaism and Islam, promote Jesus as only a prophet.

MikeyA

Pink, it isn't so odd at all. You can cite individual examples of the framers of The Constitution who disagreed with various parts of it until the cows come home. I am sure 100% of them did not agree on every issue 100% of the time. It took them months to hammer it out. That doesn't change the resulting document. Government subsidies for newspapers would be bad news. It would be just too easy for politicians to reward favorable reports and punish the others. If they have to evolve to survive like every other business so be it.

I subscribe to The Blade because having the newspaper and knowing when to trust my BS meter is better than having no newspaper at all. The same principle applies to blogs, TV and radio and other media.

Bob, you seem to imply that the Founding Fathers violated the Constitution with newspaper subsidies. Is this what you are saying? How so?

Pink Slip

You are twisting terms...the "subsudy" you refer too was a lowered POSTAL RATE....they didnt PAY people to write news stories...which is what you are trying to infer....

Oh and I had a chance to peruse the cited works of the so-called "unbiased" authors...

http://books.google.com/books?id=E3Sh7PGpWJ4C&lpg=PP1&ots=WDY67pP7kg&dq=The%20Death%20and%20Life%20of%20American%20Journalism%3A%20The%20Media%20Revolution%20that%20Will%20Begin%20the%20World%20Again&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

 

The very first two words in the book....Barak Obama...

Then the authors go on to bash Bush....and it only took to page 14 in the preface to start gushing about Saul Alinski....

For those who dont know who saul alinski was:

http://swampbubbles.com/20090509/democratic-promise-saul-alinsky

The authors are hard core  left wing radicals...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._McChesney

He's also a chomsky follower...another do NOTHING acedemic who couldnt hold down a real job to keep from starving....

And....oh my...I should always trust the gut.....if dogboy posts it...it's probally socialist in nature...

well looky here what I found...

http://www.socialistproject.ca/bullet/246.php

"We need to do whatever we can to limit capitalist propaganda, regulate it, minimize it, and perhaps even eliminate it. "....

McChesney is a "fellow taveler" of dogboy...a frickin socialist...big shock...

The other guy?..nichols?

http://www.thenation.com/directory/bios/john_nichols

Hard left winger...

http://www.alternet.org/authors/2194

so dogboy is pushing an interview on PBS to screen from you actualy getting to find out WHO these two libtards really are...

But Homey used to be a liberal....so I know how how these pukes think.....I used to be one of them...

It's been a pleasure to out these socialist left wing radicals that dogboy would portray as "unbiased neutral observers"...

Everything the left does is based on fakery or slight of hand...frickin Kabuki theater....you only need to look close enough to see it....

That's why they bombard you with stuff like this so you not only dont have time to stop and think about what is being said...you dont pay attention to WHO is saying it...or WHY it is being said...to distract you from seeing the truth behind their lies and smooth words...

Well I'm gonna say it again you commie screw heads...pinko..dogboy..Gspot..

America is NOT europe.....this country is NOT going to turn socialist peacefully....you're going to have to be prepared to kill a couple million people...because there WILL be blood in the streets long before you see your socialist utopia come to fruition...

You can take that to the bank.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

more cheesey, over-the-top malarky from the resident SB snakeoil salesman.

You putz, I'll even give you a freebie...you're little John Nichols 'bio' link is vastly incomplete...he used to work at The Blade.

Even with that nugget, you're a day late and a dollar short....again.

ohh boy..he worked for John Block....a ringing endorsement if I ever saw one....

LMAO.

In other words...you got nuthin...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I find it amusing that all this anger is directed at a president that is in office one year. The extreme among us cannot fathom that this hole we find ourselves started with Reagan. Thirty years of deficit spending and foolish trade agreements have found Americans competing with dollar an hour third world economies which make Americans uncompetitive. Now we have a president who was handed a complete disaster from previous administrations and he has to work with complete morons to somehow save our country from itself. Bailouts were done to save the mismanaged economy from a depression. But the foolish among us think this is socialism and any other silly name they can attach. Our country is headed for disaster because unlike the totalitarian capitalist Chinese system that has total control, we cannot govern ourselves. So we compromise on bailouts instead of real reform of a system of rot from within.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

I find it amusing you think I'm angry....this stuff amuses me.....

But to cut to the chase scene...

You ofcorse ignore the reality that the crap didnt hit the fan until late 2007....and the Dems made Bush a lame duck in 2006 and were pretty loud crowing about the "end of the republican era"...

You also ignore the huge jump in oil prices and the party of NO NO NO NO DRILLING...oh but that didnt hamper business or cause layoffs and bankruptcies...nah...

So yeah it took the democrats under 12 months to totally screw the country again...afforable a housing..freddie and fannie hemoraging billions....gee who was that again?...oh yeah buddy Rahm ,gorelick,raines....all your fellow travelers...

Who was in charge of the NY fed when wall street raped us??..oh yeah turbo tax timmy geitner...

Your congress for over three years now...your president for a year...25% of his term...

You want to pretend the dems arent in control....and who do you point fingers at?

Reagan?

OMFG!....BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I'm old enough to have lived under Carter (the dumbass redneck from plains GA)....I remember when the prime rate was 21%...I remember the gas lines and the oil embrago..I remember Americans held hostage By Iran...

Save it for the teenagers you hang out with ....it wont sell here...

You watch Coakley go down in flames tommorrow....A DEM LOSING "KENNEDY'S SEAT IN MASS!!

OOF!...did you feel that?

That is the 2010 midterms heading for democrats like a frieght train...

One year of liberal democrats at full throttle and Most of America is sick to death of it again...

They have lost the independants...and a large amount of Blue collar dems...no matter what OUR union leaders say (forget I'm a union guy?)

The democrats only hope is either swing WAY to the center or to get felons,convicts, and illegals the right to vote for them to outnumber the losses tha put Oduma in office...

I love the smell of napalm in the morning....tomorrow is going to be a great day....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

What I will say is subsidies to newspapers or other media would have some serious problems with the first amendment because they would essentially result in government control of the content. Imagine a Woodward and Bernstein piece on the editing room floor because a publisher didn't want to bite the hand that feeds them.

Ok, I honestly wasn't sure--so I had to ask to clarify. I understand the potential for conflicts of interest. But states currently offer subsidies to newspapers, in the form of lower sales tax, etc...And some of the most scathing political commentary came out of the colonial period despite the postal subsidies. I daresay the Washington Post in the 70's was receiving government subsidies of one form or another.

Pink Slip

the "subsudy" you refer too was a lowered POSTAL RATE

Tax subsidies ARE subsidies! The Post Office Act of 1792. Signed by George Washington. Is he related to Saul Alinski?

Pink Slip

Getting a discount rate to mail something isnt the same as PAYING PEOPLE TO WRITE NEWS.

Keep beating that drum though...it sounds real good...but when you look at it...it still has a big ole hole in it....

A bunch of left wingers trying to get the Govt to pay for, censor, and regulate the press?

WTF do you think this is about ...FREEDOM?

No...it's about..and I quote:

" the battle over network neutrality is not to completely eliminate the telephone and cable companies. We are not at that point yet. But the ultimate goal is to get rid of the media capitalists in the phone and cable companies and to divest them from control."

So I offer up a big ole hearty...who the F do you think you are foolin numbnutz?.....I was one of you...I know how you think... I used to be just like you...and thought stuff like this was a good idea...I'm already hip to your crap...I grew up immersed in it...

I Can see you a mile away....cuz you are on an already beaten path...well behind me...I know just where to look...right next to the rest of the marxists I left behind in the democrat party...

What does this *cough* book boil down to?

This quote:

"We need to do whatever we can to limit capitalist propaganda, regulate it, minimize it, and perhaps even eliminate it."

Cant do that with a free press...can you...

nope...

You can only do that through Govt regulation...govt control.....when Govt is the gatekeeper to free exchange of ideals....

You dont want a free exchange...you want the other side controlled...eliminated if at all possible.....

You guys are all for facism when it's your policy you want enforced...

Oh sure you parrot what you read from these guys .and try and use all the buzz words that you think will invoke the feelings you seek...the founders this...the founders that....blah blah blah....only used as talking points trying to push buttons......there is little you find apealing from the founders....they were after all "rich white slave owners"..."imperialist butchers of the indiginous population"..."exploiters"....which is what the left calls them when the right cites the founders intentions...such as the right to keep and bear arms...

Frankly watching a leftist envoke the founders on ANYTHING means you have already lost the arguement and you are graspng at straws...it makes your arguement look like a bad joke...

Lefties think that simply SAYING things will alter reality...that is your downfall...hubris...ego...from you...to oduma...all cut from the same old tattered marxist cloth...

You dogboy and g-spot could all be the same people for all anyone could tell...I dont recall ever seeing any of you guys disagree on anything......talk about walking lock step...

There's good line from the Matrix that applies to how easy it is to read liberals for ex liberals....

"I dont see lines of code...I see redhead, brunette, blond..."

Well comrade...I know the code...I grew up in it....I BELIEVED IT.....hell I helped write it...

When I see you guys post... I see what's behind the post...I see, socialist, marxist. collectivist...and it's pretty damn easy to rip you to shreds...

Everything you parrot...I can find the source...

Every belief you hold...I've already been there and back...

Everything you say...has been said by a socialist already...I cut and paste..hit google...and poof...up comes American socialist with the same words...

That's it...the entire sum of what you are...is based on something else sombody already felt, said, or did over 100 years ago IN THE FORMER SOVIET UNION....

The "matrix" has you....

You think you are an independant thinker....yet you guzzle the freakwater from any leftist source you can find and spew it up on some forum...

Servatude to the supreme state doesnt sell so good.....THEFT of wealth doesnt sell so good either....so you have to dress it up and put lipstick on it and pretend it's your best girl...

Or in this case....dig up a corpse from a grave you pissed on for years , and parade it around with your agenda stapled to it's forehead thinking we will all salute and fall in step......

LMAO....yeah right....

Have a nice day comrade.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

couldn't get ahold of your sponsor tonight when you needed him?

That's the best you got Mcnasty?

yap yap yap?

Stay on the porch little dog...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

The first newspapers were written by political parties and influential political party leaders.

At least the public knew where they were coming from. Unlike today.

MikeyA

LMAO....well...it still HALF true...

*grin*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Yes, and that's what's made me so angry about the state of modern thinking on the topic. We're not actually thinking; we're reacting from decades of propaganda that the corporations eventually took over and made as hard to cut as a titanium coating.

The Republic was designed around the idea of a free press. But that press was free to be biased. It was also free from regulation (until stupid crap like the Sedition Acts were invoked -- much to the shame of any American who abides by the principles of THE REPUBLIC).

Unfortunately, we flip-flopped so much of it that the media is now totally useless. We try to force private media elements to be "fair", when it's clearly none of our business what the media owners say. We can't even claim to have the right to regulate content through frequency issuances, since the electromagnetic spectrum is more than wide enough to accommodate alternative broadcasters.

We need to go back to a completely free media, which is the only model of service in our supposed Republic. No regulations except physical ones (broadcast power, etc.). No "Fairness Doctrine" and other such LIBERAL HORSEPUCKY. Let the owners of media yak all they want, since the freedom to speak is supposed to be enshrined in our law of the land. We citizens are always responsible to be educated enough to tell the B.S.-slingers from the real reporters of truth.

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MikeyA

GZ--The same designers of our Republic subsidized newspapers. Accept it. Don't act like the idea is some foreign anti-freedom un-American concept.

Pink Slip

LMAO...still at it eh?

Ok...so newspapers can get a break on the mail rate and a couple bucks off a set type press...problem solved..

Oh...but that isnt what you want......

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Probably off topic but you stated, "Personally I wish he'd publish a list of all the things he thinks I should have my tax money spent on so I know how much I need to make so I can not only feed my family but also support all he wants our gov't to do. It's only fair."

You always spout about socialist ideology and how the government shouldn't be paying for X-Y and Z. Why should my tax dollars pay for you to go fight a war that I don't believe in. Since you want to fight a war why not just have a volunteer armed forces and whoever wants to join, join at their own expense?

Providing for the common defense is in the constitution....

Nice try though...pick another one...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Where exactly did I spout about socialist ideology? Please cite.

You know what purnhrt I totally agree with you on the taxes. You shouldn't have to pay for a war you don't believe in. Don't file your taxes this year.

BTW - Sensor, Pink, even wolfman wish you'd stop commenting in the threads they're interested in because you make the liberal ideology look fucktarded.

MikeyA

Mike, you have Zeitgeist and the guy who begs for gay oral sex, so we're still ahead. :)

So Mikey, you think that FACTS based on historical reference (i.e. tax subsidies to newspapers) represents "liberal ideology"?

How so?

Pink Slip

Because you are painting a discount MAIL RATE....as a TAX SUBSIDY.....so ok..the papers can have a discount mail rate...your bitch is over...

You want tax payers to cut a check to the new york times.....it's NOT going to happen...no matter how you and the rest of the marxists try and sell it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

No Pink you're getting the issues confused.

I'm saying I fully condone purnhrt not paying her taxes because she doesn't support the War in Afghanistan or the military.

MikeyA

Sly dog....if you dont pay your taxes ,eventually men with guns show up.... and take all your stuff...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Sorry--misread your comment. All is good.

Pink Slip

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MikeyA

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