Bring civility back to talk on radio

Bring civility back to talk on radio
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Toledo Blade Letters to the Editor
Mayoral candidate Ben Konop can be commended for saying he chooses to take the high ground and not respond to the abuse being dished out by WSPD Radio. The issue that really should be looked at has less to do with Mr. Konop than the cynical and condescending commentary masquerading as news that is so frequently heard on WSPD.

For years, I have been irked by what I have heard on this radio station. What is described as news and information is instead one opinionated commentator after another attempting to tell people what to think and why people who think differently are jerks. Those with opposing views are ridiculed and insulted. This happens with the personalities involved in local programming, and continues with national broadcasts from the likes of Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. I can take only so much until I switch back to National Public Radio for real news that doesn't insult my intelligence.

It is obvious that WSPD, like much of talk radio, conveys the views of the far right. But whether one leans right, left, or in between, what is accomplished by pretending to stand up for the common good, yet resorting to personal insults, name calling, and biased sarcasm to put down those one opposes? Can issues not be discussed with civility?

If more people refused to support the lack of respectful dialog on WSPD, or if sponsors insisted on more balanced and civil discourse, our community would be better served.

Mike Wood

Maumee

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This letter is a perfect example of liberalism at work. Mike admits that he has been irked by WSPD "for years". He says he listens until he can "take only so much" and then goes to NPR. Mike doesn't like the station but continues to listen, and listens enough to know all about Glenn, Rush, and Sean.
If something or someone irked me as much as Mike claims WSPD irks him, I would remove that from my life. Easy enough, but Mike needs someone to tell him what to do and how to think so he waits for the situation to change instead of making the needed changes himself.
Mike doesn't realize there is an off button. Mike doesn't realize he has choices, no one told him. He knows he is supposed to dislike WSPD and like NPR so he does. He knows he should vote Dems each election so he does.
The way the city has been run the last 30 years irks me. I'm not switching to another city, I'm working to make this one better. Try it Mike, you might like making decisions.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Fred if you hate the Toledo Blade so much why read it...remove it from your life! Without the Blade you'd have no show you wouldn't know what was going on in Toledo. Your station constantly complains about slanted news at the Blade but look at your station will you, unhinged and unbalance, total opinion. Your boss is expert at showing how foolish a man can be...just listen to his insane lengthy rants about the mayor is this a balanced individual I think not! The way the city has been run... what are you talking about we had a beautiful city with large numbers employed in middle class private sector jobs. But national politics screwed up the local and region economy with trade agreements that sunk our nation into debt and outsourced middle class America. You can blame Dems and Republicans for that mess but you can't blame Carty for all the ills of Toledo that's just WSPD propaganda.

How Many US Jobs Might be Offshorable? Alan S. Blinder
Volume 10, Number 2, 2009, pages 41 - 78
Using detailed information on the nature of work done in over 800 US Bureau of Labor Statistics occupational codes, this paper ranks those occupations according to how easy/hard it is to offshore the work – either physically or electronically. Using this ranking, it is estimated that somewhere between 22% and 29% of all US jobs are or will be potentially offshorable within a decade or two. (No estimate is made of how many jobs will actually be offshored.) Since the rankings are subjective, two alternatives are presented – one is entirely objective, the other is an independent subjective ranking. In general, they corroborate the rankings, albeit not perfectly. It is found that there is little or no correlation between an occupation’s ‘offshorability’ and the skill level of its workers (as measured either by educational attainment or wages). However, it appears that, controlling for education, the most highly offshorable occupations were already paying significantly lower wages in 2004.

Fred see this is the reality!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

wolfie I don't hate the Blade, there are some good hard working people there who have no control over the editorial slant the paper takes on a daily basis. i've never called for a boycott of the paper or told people to cancel subscriptions. i have suggested the same action that many here have suggested for advertisers on WSPD....don't use the paper if you don't agree with it's coverage. That seems to be working.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Listen here there will be no replacement for the Toledo Blade. Radio cannot do the in depth stories and reach a large segment of Toledo and beyond. The paper can be read at anytime at the readers leisure but radio has to have the listeners attention at that moment in time, hard to do. Also Clear Channel could care less about media standards they only care about the bottom line. If they can get some fool clown making outrageous titillating statements better for the ratings so-be-it. Tell me of the last media award WSPD has won? The paper has lost readership as have all newspapers so has readership of books do you think this is good for America? Don't you think a citizen should get his news without all the entertainment hype that the media talking heads blather constantly about? Weeping goofs, screaming red faced fools how can a watcher get past the showmanship?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

I thought the easiest was to turn off a station I disliked listening to was to simply change the station. The small knob in my car stereo rotates to the left and to the right with ease! Problem solved

Pull the plug. It is attached to the wire that goes into the wall.

Hypocrisy...

Wolfman makes a good point about constant criticism of The Blade. Fred must be a flaming liberal. WSPD is constantly criticizing The Blade, but they just can't seem to understand that they have the choice of not reading it.

Pink Slip

Then why don't we add print media, especially the news section, to the fairness doctrine?

MikeyA

Anyone with available capital can start a newspaper. Access to the airwaves is limited. Not that I agree with the fairness doctrine, but I do understand (but not agree with) the misguided logic behind its proponents.

The definition of insanity is to complain (irked) over and over about the Toledo Blade everyday on the radio and still they read the paper. WSPD needs to read the Toledo Free Press to get all the in depth news and analysis that is produced by the WEEKLY. Ooops weekly oh hell the radio station is on daily that won't work maybe our own WSPD local award winning crack news gathering department will suffice. I think not WSPD would cease to exist it would have no local content become a station of Rush, Shawn, and Glenn. Better watch what you wish for WSPD you all will be out of a job!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Well Wolfman. I hate the blade and complain regularly. I don't read it. Even when I was reading it my interest ventured into the sports pages and that was it. Only when others pointed things out to me that I did read it. Now I read other Toledo papers.

I don't listen to WSPD. I love talk radio and thanks to the Internet I can listen to virtually anything (I even get the Detroit Tigers games out here).

But trying to silence a voice, regardless of message, is unAmerican. I am glad we had men such as Adams and Jefferson who were smarter than you who put such clauses into the founding document of our country.

MikeyA

Actually I get much of what we talk about from the WSPD newsroom and other sources, but I often reference the Blade and it's slanted view of the city to point out the damage they do to the city and it's future.
Local newspapers are undergoing much transition due to the sources people now have to access thier news, and the Blade is one of those. People have found the former "power" wielded by papers is waning and talk radio among other sources is giving people a place to voice their opinions.
Of course that's unusual for the local Dems so they attack the messenger instead of the message. The message is simple-less government, more personal responsibility. All in favor say "aye".

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

"but I often reference the Blade and it's slanted view of the city to point out the damage they do to the city and it's future"

We know you do, that's what we said. Just replace "The Blade" with "WSPD". It's exactly the same thing. That's why you're a hypocrite--unless you stop reading The Blade, or accept the fact that people can have legitimate concerns over your propaganda station.

Pink Slip

So

According to this arguement there is balance in the open marketplace. Is there not?

In this case the print media and the radio media offer combating viewpoints. Thus there is balance.

Why throw off the balance by silencing one side?

MikeyA

MikeyA, who's trying to silence anyone? I'm only pointing out Fred's hypocrisy.

Pink Slip

Spare me. You have advocated the fairness doctrine on here. That alone is the silencing of opinions.

Now if the thread was about all of radio getting worse then I would listen. It's not. It's about one station. It's about one genre. In today's day of HD radio and satelite radio and internet radio and radio head there is more than enough choices out there. Wolfman has and is trying to put the problems of the area and the next election on WSPD's shoulders. He should turn on WCWA and get over it.

Toledoans elected morons for office. It happened in the last election. It happened in the one before that. It will happen in the next one. That is the reason the area has so many problems.

MikeyA

Sorry MikeyA, but I don't think so. Please point out where I have advocated for the fairness doctrine. (good luck)

Let's try not to blow smoke up people's asses. The "choices" of which you speak are for people with money to spend on "extras". Why should they have to spend extra to get information when the "free" airwaves are filled with propaganda?

Pink Slip

Please point out where I have advocated for the fairness doctrine. Well you don't say I SUPPORT THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE but this post clearly shows where you stand...

http://swampbubbles.com/20081211/glenn-beck-talks-about-fairness-doctrin...

But it's more blatant in this post
http://swampbubbles.com/20090208/democrat-led-toledo-talk-radio-still-le...

where you said this in response to chrismyers speaking about the fairness doctring "...If radio stations are required to serve the public interest in return for FREE broadcasts licenses, then shouldn't this law be enforced? ..."

as for the choices most of them are free. HD radio is free. Most internet radio is free. Only satelite radio is the only one that is completely pay-to-listen

MikeyA

There's a difference between pointing out current laws, and advocating for a bill.

In fact, I am on the record with saying that "I am firmly against reinstating the Fairness Doctrine".

Pink Slip

Why don't the libs try to locate Harold Salverda, who hosted the old "Rap Show"? Now there was a "fair lib program" that would prompt anyone with an ounce of sense to smash their radios.

Good one G-Man like in 1979 Disco Demolition Night at Comiskey Park in Chicago, Illinois. Two Chicago radio DJs [Steve Dahl and Garry Meier] came up with the idea of having people bring unwanted disco records to the stadium. The spurned records would be burned between doubleheader games with the White Sox and the Detroit Tigers. Led by the chant, “Disco Sucks!” Well we could expand this theme and have a talk radio sucks and blow up a bunch of AM radios to the roar of the crowd.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Great idea guys, very original, innovative, bold, fresh, and certainly not an old boys idea.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Less government......which part? schools, libraries, transportation, roads, food and drug admin, health care, police, army, navy, coast guard, drug enforecment, child protection, fcc, animal protection, adult protection, epa, irs, fire, building inspection, marriage divorce, birth, adoption, cia, automobile, social security, veterans, taxation, us mint, alcohol, tobacco, explosives, firearms, prisons,court system, border patrol, aviation, osha, postal service, immigration? which of these govt. agencies would you give up and . Who would perform these duties? Free enterprises, the best and the brightest that America has to offer? And what criteria would you use to determine who works the hardest to be able to get the franchise to do the work that is now performed by government?
So called conservatives, just talk.

"Less government......which part?"

Of all of the government services you mentioned the only ones that haven't been done by the private market at some point are: Army, Navy, Coast Guard (apparently Marines don't count or aren't important to you), irs (yet you mention taxation?? how are they different), us mint (I'll give you even though the Fed Reserve does most of the monetary policy), and courts.

Not all of those are run effectively.

Of the ones gov't has taken over/ursurped/claimed/pushed out privatization/illegalized privatization/and just decided "Hey this is what we're going to do!" in almost every instance the private sector has either done better or at least not done as bad as gov't.

It's not talk. It's a fact. BTW when did the gov't start selling explosives/firearms/alcohol? I want mine cheaper.

MikeyA

just how does the personal responsibility thing work when it comes to the above mentioned government agencies.

Schools: Home school your kids
Libraries: Amazon
Transportation: roads used to be private (the gov't took them and used the post office to do it.)
roads: see above
food and drug: um... the gov't doesn't make these just regulate them to control prices.
healthcare: before Insurance companies this was primarily done by the "town doctor" who was also blacksmith/apothecary/preacher/farmer add in other occupations
Police: wikipedia the word Pinkerington
army/navy/coast guard: read my other post
drug enforcement: Only needed when gov't decided to make them illegal (ask any hippie)
child protection: used to be done by churches
fcc: we need the gov't to have communication?!
animal protection: the spca is nonprofit
adult protection: ?????? did you sustain a recent head injury?
epa: can be done by other entities of gov't
IRS: can be done by other entities of gov't
fire: volunteers used to do it.... oh wait... they still do.
building inspection: wait... then who was that guy we paid when we moved to check boron?
marriage/divorce: it's called religion when will gov't stop infringing on it?
birth: wait... they give birth now?
adoption: churches... again
cia: well do we need them? they can't do anything now.
automobile: they can keep them. Don't build good ones anyway.
Social Security: Stocks/Mutualfunds/Start a 401K or Roth IRA... or better yet DO THEM ALL!!!!!
veterans: this is probably the biggest group in the country who believes in personal responsibility.
taxation: Damn head wound
us mint: yay more pennies to create toxic gases to make pennies for us to throw in fountains with treated water that then needs retreated.
alcohol: without it where would we get all those sin taxes on the impoverished?
tobacco: see alcohol
explosives: ?????? It must be a big Brett Favre style concussion
firearms: Ok, Steve Young style
prisons: don't need them if you deport them to Australia!!!
court system: lol lot's of personal responsibility lacking here.
Border Patrol: Nothing a fence doesn't fix. Besides good fences make good neighbors.
aviation: One of the few things gov't regulates quite well... I'll give you this one.
Osha: We must be the safest people ever because of them!!!!
postal service: UPS, FedEx, couriers, DHL, BAX, the US Air Force (yes they do this too BUT THEY CHARGE!!)
immigration: Isn't that border patrol? oh wait.... Steve Young

MikeyA

I really wish you would start your own private school. I would love to have my grandson attend your school as I have truly given up on the Public Schools. You seem to have a grasp on what children need to succeed.
There is a great need for affordable private schools in East Toledo and other parts of the city.
Have you ever thought of starting your own school?

Well the blathering buffoon of talk radio is at it again. Insulting any one with a differing opinion. The screener picks a women of a opposing view and the attack dog used her for ratings bait. If you think these talk shows are spontaneous your wrong much of what is done on this type of hate radio is staged to titillate to affirm their demented point of view.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Why

Then why are you still listening?

I don't like Brian Wilson. I don't listen. I like Fred but don't like his show anymore. I don't listen.

If you're still listening I must wonder are you a moron?

MikeyA

MikeyA believe it or not Wolfman too likes Fred and his views are not that different. He (Fred) blames government Wolfman blames Corporate America which really runs the show here in this country, they do pull the strings of the left and right. As for the Moron comment man are we all sounding like Brian now. Haaaa! No, but really Wolfman thinks there is no difference to his listening to fellow radio morons as they are to being irked by repeatedly reading the Blade. The morons of the world will someday unite we're smart enough to know something is wrong in our world but can't quite grasp the truth of what it is that makes us so angry nor how to unite to change it. So we're stuck in this parallel world of anger but no real power to change anything. And the Kings just laugh at us!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Believe it or not Corporate America is about one thing.... Money. It's consumers that pull their strings.

I don't like Brian. I don't listen. He lost me as a listener and thus lost me as part of his ratings. If you stop listening and get others to stop listening and his ratings drop far enough I am willing to bet the consumers could pull that string of those fat cats on wall st. and have Brian removed.

For the record. I also hate the bland. I stopped reading the bland. I rarely if ever even go to their site anymore. I don't support their character assassinations. I made that choice as a consumer. But one thing you don't find from me is a weekly almost daily run down of BLOCKHEADS ATTACK (INSERT PERSON/GROUP HERE).

As for me sounding like Brian.... to that I wouldn't know. I don't listen.

MikeyA

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