The WSPD Mob's New Target: Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur

Replacing the WSPD ratings hit Mayor Carty Finkbeiner has now moved into high gear. The new target, Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur has now been targeted by the libertarian thugs at extreme radio. Fort Apache has circled the wagons rallied the angry white males and unleashed the dogs of Northwest Ohio to any political rally of ear shot.
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All I can say about conservatives is THANK GOD they are starting to use the same tactics that the libs have, in many cases, used successfully the past forty or so years I have been following politics! They even have coined a term for it-Borking. I'm guessing there will be rallies, pickets, maybe even sit-ins before the next election. Bada bing-bada boom.

And despite all the whining that's all they are doing. They're just using the same tactics that liberal protesters have for years.

Wait... now I"m getting confused. Which one is exercising free speech and which is a "angry mob"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuNXmy0e5fc&feature=PlayList&p=9CAF1942D4...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOLs7Cybnqw

MikeyA

I still laugh at Bishop's comment of "The VA is a system that runs quite well". LOL

MikeyA

Now they want their thugs to bring guns to meetings,.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9U9OAN0qTY&feature=related

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

The voices of the American people are being heard. I know that because the government is running scared. If they felt no pressure, they wouldn't spend so much time trying to minimize, categorize and demonize the people brave enough and informed enough to call foul to what they are trying to do.
And to repeat the same theme about rights to Free Speech, you should all be thanking these people, because sooner or later YOUR viewpoint is going to be the one they don't want to hear.

".....None so blind as those that will not see. They have baffled their own consciences, and so they walk on in darkness.” ~~~Matthew Henry~~~

"I know that because the government is running scared"

That's what happens when thugs threaten Congressmen's lives.

Regardless, over 70% of Americans want a strong public heath care option.

Pink Slip

I agree but with the tract record of our elected I can see why many voters are anxious. Both parties have spent us into a hole that is truly frightening. Getting involved in stupid unaffordable wars doesn't help and outsourcing American middle class jobs are killing tax revenues from the unemployed and under employed. Also no health care options for more and more Americans caught in the global economy race-to-the-bottom job competition. I think we need more information and less political rhetoric. It's been widely reported that the current system is unsustainable and will go bankrupt in the near future. So what do we do act like raging lunatics or force the powers-at-be to work out a system that works for all Americans?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

I can quote stats too.

53% oppose the Congressional Heath Care Takeover.

The difference is I provide a link to back up my claim.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/h...

MikeyA

NBC/WSJ poll:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/090617_NBC-WSJ_poll_Full...

"In any health care proposal, how important do you feel it is to give people a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance––extremely important, quite important, not that important, or not at all important?

Extremely important ..........41
Quite important ..................35
Not that important ..............12
Not at all important .............8
Not sure ...............................4"

The difference is, my poll is a more accuration depiction of what is actually in the heathcare bill. Notice--there is no "Congressional Heath Care Takeover" being proposed.

Pink Slip

I'm glad you took issue with my wording. Congressional Health Care Takeover were my words and not that of Rasmussen, which is a pretty reputable pollster.

But not the wording of this last post and the first one. What you said it means and what this asks are different. I must admit I purposely baited you into this.

That's also the reason I quoted a similar poll from June as well. Right now we're in Mid-August and I think anyone would agree that a lot has happened since then. The public has started to see what the "public option" aka Gov't Takeover means to their lives.

But there are other ways to take issue with the NBC/WSJ poll. It disproportionately sampled Obama voters to McCain voters 41-32. And added in those that did not vote (18%). Since there are more registered Democrats than Republicans and since registered Republicans have a higher tendancy toward voting we can effectively deduce that the sample leans even more heavily toward Democrats.

Needless to say no one should be quoting this as fact.

MikeyA

Look at this graphic from real clear politcs on that sample and when it was taken and compare that to now.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/direction_of_country-902.html

Then compare this recent poll again from Rasmussen on tax cuts vice health care.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/august_200...

Apparently the current mood of the country would negate the 70% fact that is soo frequently be thrown around.

MikeyA

Gallup (July 31st):

"Polls from several polling organizations released this week show that Americans favor a public option government plan to compete with employer plans, requiring insurance companies to cover everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions, tax credits to help some people pay for health insurance, and expansion of government plans to cover low-income Americans."

Pink Slip

http://www.lvrj.com/news/52828402.html

Here's what Gallup found: The number of Americans who say the media have exaggerated global warming jumped to a record 41 percent in 2009, up from 35 percent a year ago. The most marked increase came among political independents, whose ranks of doubters swelled from 33 percent to 44 percent. Republican doubters grew from 59 percent to 66 percent, while Democratic skeptics stayed at around 20 percent.

What's more, fewer Americans believe the effects of global warming have started to occur: 53 percent see signs of a hotter planet, down from 61 percent in 2008. Global warming placed last among eight environmental concerns Gallup asked respondents to rank, with water pollution landing the top spot.

Here's a different poll, if you prefer:

Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option

"A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans."

Washington Post/ABC poll:

"In the poll, 58 percent said they see government reform as necessary to stall skyrocketing costs and expand coverage for the uninsured, while 39 percent said they fear any federal action would do more harm than good. The numbers split sharply along partisan and ideological lines: Ninety-two percent of liberal Democrats said they see government intervention as essential, compared with 19 percent of conservative Republicans."

Quinnipiac poll:

"62 percent support "public option." When asked whether they "support or oppose giving people the option of being covered by a government health insurance plan that would compete with private plans," 62 percent of respondents in a July 27-August 3 Quinnipiac poll said they support giving people a public option. In a July poll asking the same question, 69 percent said they support a public option. "

McClatchy:

"52 percent say "it is necessary to create a public health insurance plan." In a July 9-13 Ipsos/McClatchy poll, 52 percent of respondents said that the statement -- "It is necessary to create a public health insurance plan to make sure that all Americans have access to quality health care" -- came "closest to [their] opinion" of "whether or not the government should create a public health insurance plan as an alternative to private insurance."

Pink Slip

My point is that this debate is moving and the polls are reflecting that. This is a far cry from "Regardless, over 70% of Americans want a strong public heath care option."

This post shows the discrepancies in the numbers and the dates. The previous post with Gallup even tells us "aken together, these findings underscore the conclusion that Americans' views on the push for healthcare reform are in a state of flux, perhaps mirroring the back and forth debate in Congress on this contentious issue. Two keys for the average American appear to be cost and urgency. The data suggest a continuing need to convince Americans of the return on investment of any proposed major investment in healthcare reform. Americans also appear dubious about the benefits of what they perceive to be less-than-fully-informed representatives in Washington rushing into a new healthcare reform law when the need for such legislation is not the highest on the public's agenda."

I agree with this wholeheartedly. This debate is far from over and using generalized terms like 70% of Americans support it is overreaching.

MikeyA

You ask me to back up my statement, and when I do you take issue with the polls.

How about if I just say that more American support a public option than those that don't (including over 70% in a couple of polls)

Pink Slip

Pink you misrepresented a poll, and took the misrepresentation as fact.

That last sentence would be more correct but again I wouldn't put it as fact.

I can do the same thing. Americans by a 2 to 1 ratio don't favor the current health care takeover. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/h...

With polls like these two you must scrutinize the wording and the methodology.

MikeyA

"support"

"support"

"favor"

This is EXACTLY how the polls I referenced are phrased. Take a look for yourself.

Pink Slip

well then why the difference between the two polls?

MikeyA

well then why the difference between the two polls?

MikeyA

No...this is what happens when Democrats show their true commie selves from behind the mask of fake liberty...

This isnt about health care....it's about control....

Standard operating procedure from the left....

Dissent is no longer patriotic....it's now racism and treason....

How dare we defy our lord and master Obama...

You look good in jack boots pinko....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

When the GOP win....elections are mandates!

When the they lose...its tyranny!

Such drama queens.

Why don't they show us their can-do spirit and build a time machine. 1776 would be just a button-push away.

Wolfman, you are probably the first person I have met who is astute online yet takes Wikipedia as a threat.

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