Truth to Power-"They're Shutting Detroit Down"

A touching tribute to all the good honest working people around the Midwest that have suffered so much
I hope this video will reach all America for all our workers
http://heavens-gates.com/usworkers/

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Are you even aware that he sang at a right wing extremist rallies you were just crying about yesterday?

He's been a guest on hannity too..

You are slipping....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

That's a sad song for sure. It would be even sadder if the man getting laid off was the one with less seniority, as that is the way the union contract actually works.

Not all contracts and not all unions.....there is no seniority in the building trades....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Kris Kristofferson, the star of this video, is a total Obama supporter.

Here DIRECT FROM THE KRIS KRISTOFFERSON WEBSITE is what the socialist America hater really thinks.

"God bless Obama. God bless America. And God bless the others outside our borders." - Kris Kristofferson

http://www.kriskristofferson.com/

So when he whines about "shutting Detroit down", it is because the socialist puts America 2nd.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Well.I guess when you're a broke socialist you'll take a gig with a captalist right wing extremist redneck...

*snicker*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Mr. Zeitgeist, agreed that "not all unions and not all contracts". In this instance they are obviously speaking of Domestic Detroit Automakers, and using a song to signify the pain of job loss there. Therefore that is what I had addressed as the issue. I could further clarify and re-state that UAW union contracts operate on the seniority principle as it applies to layoff procedures. You obviously already know that, and assuming your obvious intelligence, I should not have to play tit for tat when addressing the obvious. My point was that, applying to this situation the man getting laid off should and would be the younger seniority employee. This would make the video more realistic and factual.

The video continues to be unrealistic in that the older employees through the work and negotiations of their UAW union do receive a good retirement package and should have no reason to immediately face foreclosure of their home. The more realistic version would show the younger seniority employee with five children getting foreclosed upon, and having no way to earn any retirement package, and then to see his wife and children suffer.

It is also my personal opinion that older employees that have over thirty years of seniority in the auto industry should retire and make room for younger employees if at all possible. I personally have been steadily saving money in preparation for retirement and or career changes occurring both willingly and possibly through extemporaneous (happening suddenly though unexpectedly) (circumstances) and yes too I realize, there are other definitions for this word as well, and I shouldn't have to explain them to you.

Senator Shelby Wants Detroit To Fail
http://exceptionmag.com/politics/american/000716/senator-shelby-wants-de...

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LMAO...well the democrats beat him to it...been to detroit lately?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Setting aside personalities, actors and singers, union contract agreements and temporary politicians, the root cause depicted in the song was the mis-management of financial institutions. In a week when Citibank reported higher than expected earnings the forces which they and Bank of America put in place are at the heart of the foreclosures and business failures across the country. America blindly made loans which were put out to the secondary market where the thieves and vultures reside. GMAC, General Electric Financial, have all soiled their long established trust by utilizing a "shell game," of conducting business.
Have seen nothing in recent activity by our government to eliminate the phony methods which brought Detroit down.

Your exactly right! The economy has been held hostage by these thieves. All auto makers are suffering by the criminal activity in our banking industry. Blaming auto workers pay and benefits as the problem serves no good except for good theater for some.
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090409/AUTO01/904090422

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"All auto makers are suffering by the criminal activity in our banking industry."

Wrong! Auto makers are suffering because they didn't sell enough cars. Plain and simple.

Had they built cars as well as their foreign counterparts they wouldn't be in as bad of shape.

The problem with the American auto companies is they don't make cars for the American auto consumer.

Which is the same reason I am the new proud owner of an American Made foreign automobile which I paid for almost fully in cash.

MikeyA

Sorry mIke...but that's a strawman argument...

Understand...

I'm taking issue with your statement and not you personally...

ALL of the auto industry is hurting...all of american industry is hurting...even toyota had to layoff..

And how you typed "American Made foreign automobile " with a straight face is beyond me...

No matter how you slice it..you are providing a cash subsidy to a foriegn company and it's economy over your own...

You can justify it anyway you want...but it looks the same from this end of the manufacturing pool...

I'll put my 98 f-150 up against anything Japan, korea, china, EU produces TODAY...

I finally was forced to replace my serpintine belt two weeks ago....

at 140,000 miles...

I was forced to replace the spark plugs at 85,000 miles

I was forced to replace the brakes at 90,000 miles

I replaced the first set of factory tires at 50,000 miles and they still had tread left...

I put a set of shocks on it at around 100,000 miles

And the only major thing my truck has has had recall for was a throttle sensor...big whoop...

http://www.automotive.com/1998/12/ford/f-150/recalls/index.html

AND..it will haul a ton of dirt or my 38 ft travel trailer (made in elkart) with ease...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Miles Per Gallon
City: 14 MPG - 15 MPG
Highway: 14 MPG - 20 MPG

http://www.carsdirect.com/research/model-year?make=FO&modelid=89&year=1998

So when gas gets back up around $3.50 a gallon, it will break you to keep your truck on the road. Oh and thanks for supporting "Big Oil".

Luckily your kids will never go to college and will just be Union members like their daddy and their daddy's daddy, so they won't need to be edumacated.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Listen the hybrid scene is imperfect at best. One, they run at voltages of up to 500V causing serious problems with safety. Two, battery life is only four or five years which means the maintenance costs are huge compared to the 30 MPG conventional four banger. Most manufacturers are selling these turkeys at a loss. Residual values well not yet established will be extremely low because of the technology. So are you a educated union member or are you just a educated yuppie with no common sense?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

"Libscanblowme"

ha..more like 18/25.....depends on how you drive it...

And in case you missed it...gas was well over 4.50 here at one point...didnt stop me driving...

I wouldnt HAVE to support "big oil" when "little oil" would gladly do the job HERE if we would only LET THEM...

DRILL HERE!
DRILL NOW!
DRILL BEFORE THE PRICE GOES BACK UP!

Wait till gas gets to 7 or 8 bucks a gallon under Obama's cap and trade swindle then "cry me a river"...

Miilions of small business depend on light trucks and vans to do there business...you cant run industrial service calls in a prius...

For your enlightenment...my father wasnt a union member and was in fact VERY anti union.....

My oldest works at wall mart and is in college and wont be in the building trades...

It took me 18 years to get into the union..I worked non union for the whole time...

So I know the difference first hand...

I know the "union" light when on in your brain and you just went drooling like pavlov's dog....but chances are I'm more conservative than you are...

You know what happens when you ass-u-me....and you made some MAJOR assumptions there pal...

And even though you felt the need to personally attack my family I shall not respond in kind....

So are we done yet?...

Or should we start a big flame war because of my open patriotism and putting AMERICA first......

SHEESH!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Zeig it is not a strawman's arguement. And I appreciate your concern that your comment is not a personal attack.

While the rest of the world is seeing a downturn in people buying cars it is greatly affecting American companies because the cars that are the hardest hit are the larger, less fuel efficient vehicles.

I used to be like you. I also own a 2002 Ford Focus. (Again I bought it with fuel efficiency in mind). But with 125K miles it is literally on it's last leg. I've had to put $1000 in it already this year and I am only using it as a go to work car. I am hoping the California weather is easier on it than Ohio and Michigan did.

During this car buying I did give American Owned companies a shot. I found their selection to be a joke. So did I laugh when I typed in American Made foreign auto? Yes I did.... all 422 miles I drove on my 10 galon tank.

I do take comfort in knowing that while my money ultimately is going overseas it is going to a very close US ally who has shown no reservation in investing in America as well.

My point is I am a young American consumer. Unlike the rest of the country I had actual cash to buy a new vehicle. All I wanted was something reliable with good gas milage. They could not compete. The only thing that shocked me is in this economy I was able to get a 0% interest rate which is the reason I didn't pay fully in cash.

MikeyA

Wolfmeister drives a "98 which means for the last 11 years he has done absolutely nothing to help his union friends who build american autos. Now if he really wanted them to be successful he would sell his '98 and buy a new vehicle. Selling more cars will make detroit's auto industry successful......if they can sell them at a profit. But that would require union concessions again.
Don't come to the table whining about detroit if you haven't done a thing to help them wolfmeister, and you obviously haven't if you're driving a '98.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

You addessing me fred?

Since I'm the only here who listed what they drive in this thread...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Oh yeh, i guess it was you. Sorry i didn't check the name of the poster. you were precariously close to sounding like wolfmeister

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

OOOH seems your friends at TPPA have been busy. What's wrong Fred can't take the heat. You can shovel the S**T five days a week but when someone shovels back in the same tone you got to get personal. What, you think you can make personal attacks without consequence? I've answered my own question of course you do. Well ask Miss Bernard you know the one in Big Birds Honors English class what she drives? She's the only one in the right wing extremist CC team that supports America. We've seen your form of federal governance for the last decade look around Fred ain't lookin good you can't blame the mayor. Most of Toledo ain't buying the racists innuendos of extremist radio. Even your Clear Channel is on the rocks can't sell their product to advertisers because of the thieves on Wall Street. You need to offer them pay cuts to save WSPD hell work for free Troy Neff will do it. And the mayor will be his first guest.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Still on a bender eh?

Who runs barter town?

I noticed you had to had to add the qualifier "federal govt"...

So who is mayor? a democrat

Who has control of city council? democrats

Who runs the county? democrats

And who has had FULL majority congress since nov 06'? democrats...

That dog wont hunt son for anyone paying even a small amount of attention...

But it's a great talking point for the sheeple....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Wow!!! What a disjointed rant this turned out to be. Who's Miss Bernard? Who's been in charge of Toledo for the last 40 years? Who's Troy Neff?

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

LOL

Troy Neff will do it. And the mayor will be his first guest.

LOL - A narsicist interviewing a narsicist. I listened to Troy's verbal knob job to the mayor a couple times. Kinda made me gag. Looking back at his ratings, it looks like other people pretty much felt the same way.

Pretty bad when you're such a tool that you're willing to PAY a radio station 40 grand a year just to be on the air and they still shit can you.

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