Re: Sphinx Organization discriminates against white children
I appreciate Margaret A. Cassetto, Manager of Corporate Partnerships, for promptly responding to my legitimate concerns about the racist nature of the Sphinx Organization - the only one to do so out of the many who I contacted:
Subject: "Diversity" music program is off color and off key
Date: Oct 6, 2008
I would like to clarify your misconception that the Sphinx Organization's programs are exclusively for Blacks and Latinos. The only program for which Black or Latino heritage is requisite is the Sphinx Competition for young Black and Latino string players. This represents only a small portion of the people served by the organization. (The competiiton awards 18 semi-finalists annually.) The hundreds upon hundreds of young people who benefit from free and low-cost music education and exposure to classical music are of all races and ethnicities. Young people from all backgrounds participate in Sphinx's full-scholarship summer music academy and weekend music institute. Likewise, when Sphinx artists visit schools across the country, it is a diverse audience of students who benefit from educational residencies and workshops.
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Straight from the mouth of the Sphinx:
I recommend just ignoring David Ben-Ariel's drivel, as engaging in debate with him is only an exercise in how he possesses God's Truth, while anyone who disagrees with him is either: a) blind to his revealed prophecy; or b) an agent of Satan.
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YAWN
Submitted by historymike on Tue, 2008-12-23 13:51.
I recommend just ignoring David Ben-Ariel's drivel, as engaging in debate with him is only an exercise in how he possesses God's Truth, while anyone who disagrees with him is either: a) blind to his revealed prophecy; or b) an agent of Satan.
Intrepretation: I can't refute anything he says
Real interpretation: Debating David/Carl is much akin to urinating against a strong wind
I'm seeing the uselessness in debating an uninformed, illogical, uneducated, closed minded individual.
That'll be it for me on anything Carl Ben Narrow-Minded has to say!
It's Ben Real, Ben
As I've been told on occasion You've got to pick your battles, and I am seeing that trying to reason with Carl/David is a lost cause. Questions are answered with question, and some with mindless, disconnected drivel.
Madjack, BrianVero, historymike and chris: while this board of for sharing ideas and debate, here is one guy - Carl/david that is so closed minded that attempting to ask questions or enter an intelligent, informative debate is about as productive as tits on a bull.
David/carl apparently thrives on flaming - lives to anger others, and why would any of the rest of us intelligent, educated individuals want to go along with his mindless drivel is beyond me.
Let's not tell Carl/David that we're ending our battles with his nonsense. Let's just tell him we've had an 'epiphany' and we agree 100% with the crap he's putting out there and be done with him.
I for one am not going to debate this fool anymore, nor am I going to read any of his posts! I wash my hands of his crap.
carl-david ben something: Hey, you're right, dude-wad! After a night of thinking, I'm in complete agreement with you! Damn them anit-white suckers! Send all those types back to their homeland but sink the boat in the middle of the ocean!
I wish I could join your forces David Ben Carl, but my employer has transferred me to the tiny Aleutian Island of Gofugyerself, and it apparently has no internet service, so I'll be unable to use my computer for the next several millennia. Good luck to ya boy!
Got time for an IP comparison on "Carl" and David Ben-Ariel? Curious minds are dying to know if this is sock puppetry.
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Mine's 208.100.205.159
Don't know David's. He can find out at www.whatsmyip.com
Now what's yours historymike/graphicsguy?
Yeah, I know, David: those damned Hispanics and African-Americans at Sphinx are really busy trying to keep whitey down. I don't know how you can handle such oppression, dude. Good thing you are part of God's Favorites - I'll bet Sphinx is the first group to get fire and brimstone (or German nukes) rained down on them.
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I don't have to "prove" anything, David, except perhaps my sanity, which might be called into question for even wasting time corresponding with the likes of you. Nice try, though, in attempting to bait me into a flame war.
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BTW - this is not the first time that DB-A and sock puppet supporters have been called into question. Consider the rhetorical similarities between "Carl" on this board and 'Specter" on this thread David Ben-Ariel wrote to condemn interracial marriage.
Also look at how "Carl" and DB-A both make use of boldfaced font in the same ways in this very same thread at Swampbubbles.
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Agreed there - I am far from the brightest bulb in the box, and many days it is a struggle to find my parked car. Thanks for playing, though, Carl/David.
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You're welcome graphics guy
Carl Ben Hypocritical said: ...you're pretty damn stupid."
Wow! With as little as I know about the bible, the phrase "Judge not, that you be not judged." came to mind!
And, with that, I think it prudent that the 'moderator' of this board restrict the hate literature that David/Carl is attempting to disseminate. Many - if not all - of the past comments from this individual are well into the realm of 'Hate Literature' and by law, are NOT protected by 'Free Speech' on an 'open' discussion board. Had I have been the moderator, this individual, as well as the crap he's throwing out there, would have NEVER made it to the 'airwaves'.
Absolutely no conection there. GG has been a member here for many months, unlike "Carl," who mysteriously appeared as a dedicated supporter of DB-A minutes after the Germany nukes post. Anyone who visits this site regularly knows who GraphicsGuy is, and as for me - I don't play sock puppet games.
Of course, in your delusional mind, you probably believe your own bullshit, but the regulars at Swampbubbles know that I am a straight-up, no-nonsense poster who posts quality material and participates in (mostly) meaningful discussions.
Except this one.
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Again, graphicsmike you're too smart by half. Did you ever stop to think that I became a member to post on a particular thread? EVERYONE becomes a member at SOME particular point and then posts soon after.
David is right. I let myself get distracted by the stupid diversions you put out when you don't want to deal with the death of one of your idea babies.
Sometimes it's fun though to watch how hard you struggle though your hypocrisy is apparent to all
The Cleveland Orchestra, in its lofty perch in University Circle, far from the problems of the city center, began a period of soul-searching a number of years ago, setting up a task force on community relations. It heard complaints loud and quiet, like the one from a black woman who had held season tickets for 25 years but threatened to cancel because she was tired of waiting for the orchestra to add a third black musician...
...This reporter's own recent survey of 16 leading orchestras, employing 1,608 players in all, turned up 30 blacks (1.9 percent) and 27 Latinos (1.7 percent). Although all 16 orchestras registered in at least one category, two have no blacks (Chicago Symphony, San Francisco Symphony), and four have no Latinos (New York Philharmonic, Detroit Symphony, Dallas Symphony, Houston Symphony).
Read more at:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950CEED61731F930A35750C0A...
Many folks value diversity in groups (I would argue that diversity is very important to the survival and functioning of organizations, particularly in this global world). It's obvious that, for a number of reasons, the representation of minorities in orchestras is pretty anemic. Many feel that it is important to increase the types of folks that are going into orchestral music, and this is one strategy for doing that. And this should be a drop in the bucket, frankly, particularly as music programs have been long-absent in schools with kids from lower SES groups (ie many african-americans and hispanics), reducing the critical early-exposure necessary for producing world-class musicians.
I am not following your logic train here. Which arguments - mine or the "a little discrimination is acceptable" argument you put forth? I would say that people who were opposed to civil rights movements probably weren't OK with people saying that we need to go through extra efforts to afford opportunities to minorities, as the Sphinx organization does. Who's trying to have it both ways?
"one of my great blogs some are bigoted against" - OK, you may assume that your blogs are great, that is your prerogative, but because people don't like what you have to say they are bigoted against you?
"condemn this hate"? You are saying that an organization that looks to afford wonderful opportunities to many who would not normally have that chance is hateful?
""The Sphinx Organization's discriminatory practice against children of white color, is very racist in its assumptions that all white children have rich parents, that all white families listen to classical music, etc."" I don't see anywhere on their pages that makes these claims - these are all assumptions that you are making.
How do you not actively promote diversity and engage in somewhat discriminatory practices? You have too, to some degree.
It seems you are so focused on the fact that white children cannot participate that you will not expand to see a larger picture. It may not be fair on one level, absolutely, but perhaps on so many other levels life has been unfair for many others of different cultural upbringing. Perhaps one that includes the massive amounts of discrimination that has gone into and continues to go into many minority cultures, either by virtue of birth, lack of opportunities, lack of economic stability, whatever.
You use PC as a shield quite a bit. You insinuate that people disagree with you because of PC-ness, not because some may feel that you state very vitriolic things - wrong not because they are politically incorrect, but because some find them absolutely abhorrent.
Wombat - simply put, you're wasting your time trying to debate with ben-carl!
He has all the answers. He knows the truth. He knows what's right and what's wrong. If you disagree with him, will be labeled 'woefully ignorant, stubborn sheeple' along with the rest of us that have attempted intelligent discourse with David Ben-Carl.
Do yourself, the bandwidth and Chris' server a BIG favor and DO NOT try to debate with this self-proclaimed 'prophet'! Just treat him like the disease he is and ignore him.
That's great GraphicsMike.
You WANT to believe there is only ONE who believes in our Israelite Identity and is calling for a RETURN to the Faith Once Delivered here in Toledo Ohio (I is from SE Michigan-but listen to WSPD)
these topics are under watch. I am beginning to see how you work in creating a bunch of blogs, linking back to all the different ones giving the appearance of many sources. You are walking a fine line, but if it gets crossed, I will put your posts under close supervision.
crossed the line but you are walking on it. The focus of the site is Northwest Ohio issues so we are expecting most topics realated to Northwest Ohio, not to create sources for you to link on other sites. I do expect you to bring things back to what affects us locally soon. And please do not put your links first in the story. I will move them to the bottom if you do not.
The issues are thus, in summary:
1. You are indeed a racist buffoon.
2. You use the Bible in a pathetic manner to try and justify your racism. I'll bet Christ will be mighty pissed when your racist ass shows up at the Final Judgment.
3. You engage in sock puppetry in an effort to create a consensus where none exists.
4. As far as Sphinx, more power to them. I should think that a group that exposes minority children to one of the bastions of the white European culture you worship - namely, classical music - would be a good thing. However, the burden of proof is on YOU to prove the supposed reverse discrimination - where are the white children who have been denied participation in these programs? You claim reverse discrimination, but you do not demonstrate that it exists with Sphinx - just because this is an outreach program does not mean that there is reverse discrimination.
5. Finally, I'm beginning to suspect that your sole purposes here are just self-promotion and annoying other people, and in both endeavors you succeed on many counts. You do not try to have a conversation, but instead whine when people do not embrace your extremist views. You'd be better off hanging out at StormFront or some other white supremacist site, where at least you would find some kindred spirits in racism.
Cheers!
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The only thing I am certain of in this thread is that I have wasted probably 30 minutes of my valuable time engaging in debate with a possibly delusional racist who twists the Bible to fit his warped ideas about ethnic groups.
Have a good day, sir.
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Also, as a common courtesy, David: be sure to close your boldface and/or italics quotes, or else subsequent posts (like these last two of mine) get jacked up with unintended font modifications.
Thanks!
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Bold is easier to read. closed it here to see if I can "close his fonts.:" Seems possible. We'll see.
GraphicsMike/HistoryGuy, if he twists the Bible (as I do), it ought to be pretty easy for you to expose the error in his thinking. I haven't seen you do that yet. I expect we won't either. I prophesy you'll say you're not going to "waste" any more time. We'll see.
I just discovered it's easier to do than complain about it!
Didn't know it could be done, David.
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You're welcome GraphicsGuy
If I is always refered to as some variation of ben-carl or "carl" in quotes, or some other such nonsense, I will refer to the to greatest offenders as graphicsmike and historyguy. I will be as credibe as you helen/brian in st petersburgFL
Brian - has he found out about you going 'drag' on Saturday nights? Oh my! It won't be long before he finds out about my 'fishnet weekends' in Hollyweird!
Dang!
(Oh, and 'Guilty as Charged', David Ben Lying. I think Mike will plead 'Not Guilty)
'HistoryGraphics' here....errr...maybe that was 'GuyMike'.....ahh....'HistoryGuy' ....jeezzz...
Brian - It doesn't bother me and I suspect Michael doesn't care that he's twisting the 2 together. After someone suspected David & Carl are one in the same, I referred to him as 'David Ben Carl' and now he's just doing the same.
As they say, "Imitation is the best form of flattery."
As to Carl Ben David's 'credibility'? Posting under 2 identities while supposedly 'Spreading The Truth In The Name Of God' is, well, kind of a dichotomy I'd say. The "fool me once..." saying comes to mind.
And that's one reason I quit debating this fool! Now, I just read his posts and laugh! The humor goes well with my morning coffee and cigarette!
I wonder who else I'm posting as.
Maybe Carl-David can tell me.
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David Ben-Ariel:
"....it doesn't appear I will frequent this site much longer..."
While this would be a refreshing change from the recentspamfest/extremist hate-mongering of David Ben-Ariel, I suspect that D B-A will continue to flood these boards with his irrational version of millenialist racism.
Expect a corresponding decline in the readership of the site when every third post turns out to be some delusional D B-A rehash of some crusty rant from one of his dozens of blogs.
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David, you're trying to make a case for reverse discrimination. Let me pose this to you.
How has reverse discrimination personally affected your life? Please give specific examples where that is the ONLY possible cause.
I have no doubt that racism and reverse racism exist but I don't see them as being as prevalent as someone like you or purnht believe they are. The biggest problem I see in this world is classism which infects every race and every side of our society.
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