Fat Cat Alert!!! Fat Cat Alert!!!

This one goes out to all the class warriors and union members, hacks, thugs, etc. who were astroturfed to Madison and Columbus to protect their diseased golden goose and rail on the rich, evil corporate fat cats.

And before you read on to see what could've been done with all those union dues, consider the follow quote from the author; "However disdainfully un-American it is to argue whether someone makes too much money in what was once the nation known as the land of opportunity, sometimes you have to roll with the pigs in the pigsty to show how stupid their arguments are."

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionreport/2011/04/19/one-years-worth-of-u...

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Hater!...corporate tool!..WSPD EMPLOYEE!!!!

I just thought I would get that out of the way...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

and maybe we'll get to the bottom of the age old question; If a liberal can't call you a corporate shill, can they still call you a racist, er...I mean, make a sound?

That's the dumbest logic I've heard all year. Clemson001 how do you support your family? I mean you can't have a job of responsibility if you believe that malarkey! The whole idea is just out there! 14.7 million union workers how many CEOs? Just stupid!!!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Math isnt your strong suit I take it....

I think the dumbest thing I've heard all year on this site was you and a couple others telling people NOT to invest in gold...it's now doubled...

Dumb....very dumb...

So dogboy....when can we expect you to go after GE?

I mean really....they are the poster child for corrupt corporations...

They had over 32 billion in revenues, over 5 billion is US profits alone...and paid ZERO taxes...

C'mon dogboy....you can do it...tell us why you ignore GE?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Because the Microsoft National Barack Channel tells him to, that's why. GE does own NBC after all, unless of course the sale has been finalized, not sure. Either way, they won't be changing their stance anytime soon.

The fruits of MY labor are not a social commodity.

How many union employees could the union have paid the wages for had that not put money into the WI Supreme Court Special election where they lost?

If we're talking about a 33k salary they could have hired 136 state employees for the year.

And that is just one one race, one special election. Imagine what they could do if they worried about workers and less about politics.

MikeyA

How many union employees does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Seventeen - One Union warehouse employee to give the bulb to the Union Electrician. One member of the Local Riggers Union to hold the Union Electrician on the step ladder. Four more Local Riggers Union members to hold the step ladder steady. Another Union Electrician to flick the switch to test the bulb.
One Electrical Union Shop Steward to make sure that the other bulbs in the room will need fixing.
One more Electricians Shop Steward to supervise.
Two UAW members to take a coffee break, and one UAW member to eat lunch, while a 4th UAW member takes a nap.
The UAW President to plot the best way of breaking into the apartment the night before the bulb gets changed.
One Teamster to drink gin n tonics with the yuppies and finally,
one highly trained Union Electrican to screw the light bulb into the water faucet.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

"Since union dues only go to support the salaries and benefits of union bosses, their staffs, and their golf courses, airplanes, and other costs..."

Just not true. National union presidents make some big bucks (although nothing approaching the pay and perks of CEOs), but the thousands of local union heads don't enjoy any of this. Few of them work full-time for the union (they have jobs with the company just like everyone else) and get the same benefits as other employees. There are no huge expense accounts, golf courses or airplanes. Their staffs are small, part-time, and some of them can't afford a secretarial staff.

Thank you Lilypad finally some logic!

CEO-to-worker pay imbalance grows
http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/webfeatures_snapshots_20060621/
by Lawrence Mishel

In 2005, the average CEO in the United States earned 262 times the pay of the average worker, the second-highest level of this ratio in the 40 years for which there are data. In 2005, a CEO earned more in one workday (there are 260 in a year) than an average worker earned in 52 weeks.

The 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s have been prosperous times for top U.S. executives, especially relative to other wage earners. This can be seen by examining the increased divergence between CEO pay and an average worker’s pay over time, as shown in Figure A. In 1965, U.S. CEOs in major companies earned 24 times more than an average worker; this ratio grew to 35 in 1978 and to 71 in 1989. The ratio surged in the 1990s and hit 300 at the end of the recovery in 2000. The fall in the stock market reduced CEO stock-related pay (e.g., options) causing CEO pay to moderate to 143 times that of an average worker in 2002. Since then, however, CEO pay has exploded and by 2005 the average CEO was paid $10,982,000 a year, or 262 times that of an average worker ($41,861).

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

for again solidifying your status as SwampBubbles resident "useful idiot".

Take the paragraph you referenced:

  • Since union dues only go to support the salaries and benefits of union bosses, their staffs, and their golf courses, airplanes, and other costs, perhaps the argument really needs to be reversed. Rather than creating or saving jobs, given that unions do not produce a product and can actually be attributed with being masters of manipulation, buying politicians, killing companies, pushing policies that stifle growth, as well as creating huge pension and health care deficits, perhaps it’s really time to rein in union dues.

Along with this one:

  • Given the AFL-CIO’s penchant for pushing an eat the rich ideology, it seemed worthwhile to use the unions’ own logic to run our own set of numbers to determine how many workers’ median jobs one years’ worth of union dues could support.

And the quote provided in the intro and it appears that the author, regardless of any discrepancies between national and local union heads, is just being satirical to make a point. Again...just another point of view.

I wonder what the, Union Committeeman to Union Worker pay imbalance looks like?

"We're all riding on the Hindenburg, no sense fighting over the window seats"-Richard Jenni

Yeah you think Lily and Wolf would have posted THAT to refute Z's claim.

Of course they don't. They attack, insult, and change the subject. Their tactics are boring and not based in thought.

MikeyA

Damn...I take a day off and I miss all the fun....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Union Committee members, do NOT get a salary, they do NOT get expenses, the committee's i know of are completely voluntary.

Another thing, all union money is very closely scrutinized by the department of labor. Unions have to file an annual document totaling all income, where it comes from, all expenses, who those expenses were paid to, the amounts, what they are for, the whole freaking nine yards. And if one dollar is unaccounted for, then your talking about a DOL audit, in which case the DOL will climb up your ass so far it isn't even funny.

I love it how people think that unions are crooked, its not possible, and if union funds are misused, it is found within the annual audit that EVERY freaking union is REQUIRED to do EVERY freaking year.

I don't see the DOL auditing any CORPORATIONS.

"Union Committee members, do NOT get a salary, they do NOT get expenses, the committee's i know of are completely voluntary."

Not true. When I was a union employee the union stewards DID get more money (almost 50 cents more an hour) and were paid for their time "resolving" union disputes.

When I had a dispute with a supervisor I had to sit in a meeting where my steward sat there and didn't say a word and I was the only one who refuted anything of the supervisor. Afterward when I confronted the steward he told me I was wrong. I quoted the contract and he essentially told me because I was part-time I should shut up and just do what I was told. I don't blame the company they did offer to switch me to another shift to avoid the personality conflict between me and the supervisor. However the shame of it is the steward received not just pay but additional pay to sit in on a meeting, not speak, and not do his job (he received time and a half because he requested the meeting to go AFTER his shift and in the middle of mine). That's when I learned Unions look out only for Unions.

And if you don't think Corporations books get looked at then you are sorely mistaken. Every industry is regulated, how much is dependent on the industry. Add in the SEC scrutiny over self-regulated groups. PLUS the DOL does oversee corporations. To imply they don't is just dumb. Name me one industry that doesn't have to comply with OSHA standards? DOL regulation happens all the time it's just different from that of unions.

MikeyA

Well, Mikey, that's a standard story of union corruption. And it goes on each and every day in the public unions, meaning our teachers and police and firemen and all those are tolerating the theft of our tax money just to ensure they don't rock the boat, to make it all the way to retirement... a retirement, I must note, that comes as a for-life payment and health care after only 20 years of work.

Teachers, police and firemen will always be paid well enough for their labors. So they really have nothing to complain about when we finally destroy their unions and destroy their obscenely generous retirement plans. They have no natural right to receive those benefits. Whereas, we taxpayers (who greatly outnumber public employees) have the natural right to avoid this thievery.

"the committee's i know of are completely voluntary." - Notice i said the committee's that I KNOW OF? That's what bothers me, unions are NOT all the same, that's why it pisses me off when people generalize about unions when they don't have the first clue how they work internally, and unless you've been in office, that is something you will never know.

Please give me an example of how the DOL keeps track of and enforces corporations.

I have no complaints on OSHA, they do a fairly good job, but OSHA is not the DOL, not even close.

""the committee's i know of are completely voluntary." - Notice i said the committee's that I KNOW OF?" Of course. You didn't know. Now you do. So don't act as if unions aren't crooked. The majority are.

" and unless you've been in office, that is something you will never know." I did. I gave you FIRST HAND knowledge and I didn't add any qualifiers like in my opinion or that I know of because the case I gave you is based in fact and I would testify under oath to it.

"Please give me an example of how the DOL keeps track of and enforces corporations." I don't have to (technically I already did with OSHA). The DOL has to regulate unions. My point was that corporations are regulated by SEVERAL agencies and not just the DOL. The DOL is not the be all end all of regulation. What agencies regulate the corporations depends upon what industry they are in. They could be regulated by the FDA, FCC, SEC, IRS, HHS, EPA, amongst orthers OR they could be a part of a self-regulating body as I referenced above. Add in that state and municipalities can also regulate corporations whereas unions for the most part are not.

So don't give me this sob story about how the DOL regulates the unions. Corporations are open to far more regulation than any union.

MikeyA

OK Mikey, Lets start this over before you start twisting shit like you do with everyone else that has a different opinion than you do.

Me: "Another thing, all union money is very closely scrutinized by the department of labor. Unions have to file an annual document totaling all income, where it comes from, all expenses, who those expenses were paid to, the amounts, what they are for, the whole freaking nine yards. And if one dollar is unaccounted for, then your talking about a DOL audit, in which case the DOL will climb up your ass so far it isn't even funny."

"That's what bothers me, unions are NOT all the same, that's why it pisses me off when people generalize about unions when they don't have the first clue how they work internally, and unless you've been in office, that is something you will never know."

You: "" and unless you've been in office, that is something you will never know." I did. I gave you FIRST HAND knowledge and I didn't add any qualifiers like in my opinion or that I know of because the case I gave you is based in fact and I would testify under oath to it."

Now, what is your first hand knowledge of the internal working of the union are? Sitting in a meeting with a union steward doesn't qualify you to know how the union is run. A union steward is not an officer of the union, or should i say he/she is not a "union boss", so they have no knowledge of how the union is run. You know, like income and expenses which i mention in the first paragraph.

Hmm

Wow I must have touched a nerve that got sand in your vagina.

"Now, what is your first hand knowledge of the internal working of the union are? Sitting in a meeting with a union steward doesn't qualify you to know how the union is run." You asserted that union members don't get paid. I used first hand experience to prove you wrong. So don't get pissy with me and start saying "You don't know".

"A union steward is not an officer of the union, or should i say he/she is not a "union boss", so they have no knowledge of how the union is run" Either you're wrong or the unions are more incompetent than even I assert.

Why oh why would the union send a representative to represent them and their members if that person doesn't know "how the union is run".

I do that all the time. I grab people who know nothing about the military and get them to represent the military when discussing military contracts. Because it makes so much sense!

Look TM sorry for the sarcasm but you were the one who did say "Lets start this". The problem with you union supporters is you've followed their drivel so blindly and for so long that basic logic throws out virtually all of your arguments. Look at Lily arguing with GZ about how a law doesn't exist and to prove it she cites a law that proves it exists.

MikeyA

"Why oh why would the union send a representative to represent them and their members if that person doesn't know "how the union is run".

Because like i said a union steward has no need to know how the union is run. (unless your still not getting it, i am referring to the financial aspects, i didn't think i would have to spell it out."

"The problem with you union supporters is you've followed their drivel so blindly and for so long that basic logic throws out virtually all of your arguments. "

That can be said for you anti-union republican also. But whatever, i know how a union office is run, i used to work for one.

"Wow I must have touched a nerve that got sand in your vagina."

Real fucking classy, i assumed Marines had a little more character than that, but thanks for proving me wrong you fucking pig!

"Because like i said a union steward has no need to know how the union is run." Actually your flaw is every union member has a need to know how the union is run hence why the DOL scrutinizes the money so tightly. But yes the stewards need to know because they are representing the union, yes even financially. That is why unions have meetings and votes (I was the only part-time employee from my shift who attended these meetings). Stewards are supposed to attend all meetings and be knowledgeable enough to assist other members with any union related issue.

"That can be said for you anti-union republican also." The two most anti-union people on this site are Z and myself. Z is in a union. I was and I came from a union family (2/3rds of my immediate family were in a union). We aren't buying anyone's talking points or b.s. We are against unions because we've gotten screwed by them.

"Real fucking classy" You want class go school.

"i assumed Marines had a little more character than that, but thanks for proving me wrong you fucking pig!" Thanks for assuming that because we are in the military we are not allowed to insult you. You obviously haven't met many Marines.

But seriously TM quit crying in the breast milk. I even pointed out that you said "Lets start this so why don't you cowboy up and quit crying about it.

MikeyA

"Union Committee members, do NOT get a salary, they do NOT get expenses, the committee's i know of are completely voluntary."

As someone who is currently in a union..I scream bullshit.

Everyone sitting on that negotiation comittiee is a paid union employee in some way or another....all time is compensated.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"Everyone sitting on that negotiation comittiee is a paid union employee in some way or another....all time is compensated."

Yes, but that is part of their regular duties as an employee. Sorry, i should have been more clear, I meant above and beyond, for example the executive committee, they are not paid; and again I'm not referring to ALL unions, i am referring to the one's i am personally familiar with for one reason or another. I have no clue how the UAW does it.

If Unions are so good why are Democrats now pushing to take away their collective bargaining privileges? http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/04/27/house...

"“It’s pretty stunning,’’ said Robert J. Haynes, president of the Massachusetts AFL-CIO. “These are the same Democrats that all these labor unions elected. The same Democrats who we contributed to in their campaigns. The same Democrats who tell us over and over again that they’re with us, that they believe in collective bargaining, that they believe in unions. . . . It’s a done deal for our relationship with the people inside that chamber.’’

I guess bought and paid for politicans aren't really that good of a bargain.

Mass now joins NY and NJ as deeply blue (NJ the significant lesser of the three) states with deep union roots that has begun to reject the need for public employees to receive collective bargaining privileges. Significant about this is it passed through a veto-proof majority so if Gov. Patrick has no real say in the argument.

THOSE DAMN REPUBLICANS!!!

MikeyA

I like how you said "privileges", not "rights". You understand what's going on. Anyone can bargain collectively. That's a right and nobody ever took that away from the workforce. What was the privilege, was forcing the employer to accept union demands via the process of legally-binding arbitration.

Anyway, politicians in beleaguered states must all put a stop to the geometric growth of unionized benefits and retirements. Those open-ended benefits and retirements should have never been offered. This is not a Democrat thing, or a Republican thing. This is an economics thing. It has to happen.

"What was the privilege, was forcing the employer to accept union demands via the process of legally-binding arbitration."

There is no "forcing," as you state, in arbitration. Arbitrators are MUTUALLY selected. Union and management are presented with a list of neutral parties from which to choose an arbitrator. Each party strikes names until an arbitrator is agreed upon. Lists of names continue to be provided until this is accomplished. What makes you think unions win all arbitrations? I know better; I used to work for an arbitrator.

Of course there's FORCE in arbitration, you nitwit. The law says you have to arbitrate, and then that arbitration is often called "legally binding". That means FORCE.

The employer should be perfectly free to utterly ignore labor demands. That's the same right as labor has to speak collectively. Neither right contradicts the other, just like my right to speak doesn't mean you have to listen.

You probably call yourself "Lilypad" since that's just about the strength of the platform that holds your so-called arguments. I mean, a fucking 14-yr-old who served on a few debate teams could have seen through your response. Did you even graduate high school? I'm honestly curious about where stupidity like yours comes from.

"Of course there's FORCE in arbitration, you nitwit. The law says you have to arbitrate, and then that arbitration is often called "legally binding". That means FORCE."

Binding arbitration is a legitimate means of settling disputes. It means that people like you can't stomp their feet and throw tantrums until they get their own way. Arbitration is about fairness and that's what pisses you off. Binding arbitration requires both parties to live by the decision. There is no "law" that makes binding arbitration mandatory. It is an item that must be introduced in negotiations, just like any other issue.

"The employer should be perfectly free to utterly ignore labor demands."

Not if the union is the elected collective bargaining agent. To do so means the employer has committed an unfair labor practice under the National Labor Relations Act.

You're completely stupid. You can't logically shift gears when you were proven to be utterly wrong.

In a nation that claims to value private property, there is no natural right to force your employer to accept some arbitrary compensation demand.

Arbitration isn't fair at all, since it violates the natural right of an employer to disregard the demands of labor. If the unionists in the collective don't like that, they can just strike. And then the employer can employ yet another natural right: The ability to bring in replacement labor and ignore the strikers.

None of these attempts to counter your stupidity matter, however. Change is coming. It's on the wind, and in the water. The PRIVILEGE of forcing your employer to accept your horseshit labor demands, is coming to an end. And that's only right, since We The People can't continue paying lazy unionized fuckheads all their big salaries, huge benefits, and monstrous retirements any further. It's morning in Ohio. SB5 is the first bright ray.

"Arbitration isn't fair at all, since it violates the natural right of an employer to disregard the demands of labor."

If you want to talk natural law (and there are many theories of natural law) we could wind up in a philosophical discussion that could last for weeks. I'm not going there. But I will say that Thomas Jefferson drafted the Declaration of Independence based heavily on John Locke's theory, particularly those important words..."life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." It's the words "pursuit of happiness" that are open to wildly varying interpretation, and that's where the disagreement with your argument of the "natural right" of employers comes into play.

And don't be too sure about how long the "bright ray" of SB5 is going to shine.

If you want to talk natural law (and there are many theories of natural law) we could wind up in a philosophical discussion that could last for weeks. I'm not going there.

Of course you won't go there, since your so-called argument just collapses. The natural liberties of the nation have long established that employers can deal with labor or not. All the workers could do was strike. But that wasn't good enough for Liberals, who wanted ways to seize capital right from the hands of the people who properly own it. So they came up with these bullshit "labor arbitration" laws. They aren't right and they aren't just and we should never have adopted those laws.

But it's morning in Ohio, finally, and the Long Terror of union domination is coming to an end. And you're horrified. And well you should be, since by implication, you're just one of the parasites. Time to actually work for your money, you leech.

And don't be too sure about how long the "bright ray" of SB5 is going to shine.

Bring it on. It doesn't matter if the moron voters of the state vote 55-45 to return the privilege of the FORCE of collective bargaining, since what they're voting for is such a huge fiscal load that Ohio's finances will collapse all the faster.

You Liberals obviously think that government is an infinite bank account. This is so, since few if any Liberals do real industrial work (which is the source of wealth), and are largely indoctrinated in Liberal stupidity in college instead of receiving a real education in economics. Time WILL prove you wrong, and the longer you cling to your demented Liberal philosophies, the harder the proof will hit when your armor drops.

"And you're horrified. And well you should be, since by implication, you're just one of the parasites. Time to actually work for your money, you leech."

I did, for 41 years. I'm retired; no pension, and no SS yet.

"All the workers could do was strike."

Not so for public employees anymore in this state.

The "natural liberties" of the nation and "natural law" do not include any "right" of employers to mistreat their workers. WTF do you think caused workers to organize in the first place?

Admit it. You won't be satisfied until the American worker has no rights whatsoever.

"WTF do you think caused workers to organize in the first place?"

Name me one instance where a public employee was mistreated? The fact is mistreamtent is not tolerated by the State which is why mistreatment of a public worker is law hence a union is not needed.

Public workers have more protections than any other worker. Outside of police and fire, which I believe should be treated differently than the rest of public employees, government workers do less for more than their private counterparts. And the private counterparts generally do it better.

MikeyA

Public employees can still go on strike, moron. They can just be fired for it. But that was always true. That's natural law. We're just returning to the natural state of free employment.

Why do you clowns keep talking about natural rights being an abuse? The employer can pay you less if he wishes. If you don't like that, then strike. He can seek to replace you. If you don't like that, then give up on your silly coercive attempts and find another employer.

The natural rights between employer and employee are not abuse, no matter how many times you play this silly propaganda game. Unions were fine until they brought legal force into the game. Then they became the abusers.

American workers have the right to work and get paid. But they don't have the natural right to force employers to accept their demands.

Go out today and enjoy that sunshine, retard. It's because it's morning in Ohio, finally, after the Dark Age of unionization. You're as free to employ, as to be employed, and that's the core truth here.

Pink Slip is right about you. You're nothing more than an ultra right-wing nut job spouting John Birch bullshit. I did some research, and the crap you espouse could have easily come straight off the society's web site.

Among the Birchers' more notorious members, these names jumped at me immediately:

1. The Kochs - Super wealthy financial backers of those attempting to destroy the
American worker.

2. Guy Banister - Sleazebag former FBI from New Orleans, ever infamous for his ties to
Lee Harvey Oswald and an alleged plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy. Although
there's never been any definitive proof of the plot, it's no longer a secret that Banister
and his boss, J. Edgar Hoover, both hated JFK and celebrated his murder.

3. Gen. Edwin Walker - Racist SOB who backed Mississippi Gov. Ross Barnett when
federal troops tried to enforce admittance of African-Americans to Ole Miss. (Even
Oswald tried to kill him.) He was such a nut job that he was relieved of his command
and quit the army.

4. Roy Cohn - Attorney and lunatic associate of Sen. Joe McCarthy, who enthusiastically
participated in the communist witchhunt of the 1950s and proudly claimed he was
instrumental in the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. It is believed today that
the Rosenbergs were innocent. Cohn was a homosexual who died of AIDS. (Now that's
poetic justice.)

GZ, get the fuck out of my face, you piece of shit.

Oh lilly...the true lilly ...

"It is believed today that the Rosenbergs were innocent.

The only people who belive that are libatrds...such as yourself...

Notice you didnt provide one single link to support these accusations....where as I will provide a link to utterly destroy your assertions...

From the top:

"1. The Kochs - Super wealthy financial backers of those attempting to destroy the
American worker."

Communist agit-prop....

In reality...Koch is a heavily UNIONISED business enterprise...

EVEN THE STEELWORKERS KNOW THIS:

http://blog.usw.org/2011/03/30/a-well-intentioned-bad-idea/

QUOTE:

The Koch brothers own Georgia Pacific. It is an American consumer goods company that makes everyday products like facial tissue, napkins, paper towels, paper cups and the like. Their plants are great examples of American advanced manufacturing. Incidentally,

GP makes most of its products here in America. The company’s workforce is highly unionized. In fact, 80 percent of its mills are under contract with one or more labor union. It is not inaccurate to say that these are among the best-paid manufacturing jobs in America.

REALITY TRUMPS LIBTARD FANTASY.

2. Guy Banister - Sleazebag former FBI from New Orleans, ever infamous for his ties to
Lee Harvey Oswald and an alleged plot to assassinate John F. Kennedy. Although
there's never been any definitive proof of the plot
, it's no longer a secret that Banister
and his boss, J. Edgar Hoover, both hated JFK and celebrated his murder.

You watch too much TV...no link needed.

3. Gen. Edwin Walker - Racist SOB who backed Mississippi Gov. Ross Barnett when
federal troops tried to enforce admittance of African-Americans to Ole Miss. (Even
Oswald tried to kill him.) He was such a nut job that he was relieved of his command
and quit the army.

DEMOCRAT.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Walker

4). Roy Cohn - Attorney and lunatic associate of Sen. Joe McCarthy, who enthusiastically
participated in the communist witchhunt of the 1950s and proudly claimed he was
instrumental in the execution of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. It is believed today that
the Rosenbergs were innocent.
Cohn was a homosexual who died of AIDS. (Now that's
poetic justice.)

No baby doll...they werent...they were commies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project.

"GZ, get the fuck out of my face, you piece of shit."

Look out GZ.....she's been known to beat the living shit out of people who attack her...

And she clearly does not limit this to physical attacks...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"If you want to talk natural law (and there are many theories of natural law) we could wind up in a philosophical discussion that could last for weeks." Even her outlook on natural law is warped.

Natural laws are laws that would still exist in the absence of religion, society views, and geographical and political position. Meaning they always apply, everywhere. How hard is that?

She is getting it confused with common law. Hence why people argue about "collective bargaining rights whereas GZ and I correctly identify them as privileges because they don't qualify as rights even in our judicial system and you're seeing that played out now.

She incorrectly states "It's the words "pursuit of happiness" that are open to wildly varying interpretation," actually all of the words are open to wildly varying interpretation.

If the right to life were so clear a right then we would not debate infanticide/abortion. If the right to liberty were so clear we would not have taxes.

MikeyA

And then the factory closed and moved to mexico....but you cant seem to make the connection....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Liberals already have plans for that. It's called world government. The Liberal plan is to create larger and larger governments, and they will eventually merge, since they all think alike... and like all such predators, that have common prey (i.e. we citizens and real workers).

The Liberal dream is that eventually, these mythical capitalists will face heavy unionized labor demands no matter where they go in the world. Of course, the sad reality is that will kill off all businesses under 50 thousand employees, and those companies will in turn rule the governments with bribes behind the scenes. Of course, Liberals tend to work in institutions, so they are not bothered by that in the slightest. But the tax receipts from those major multinats will be precisely ZERO. So there will be nobody to tax anymore. But nobody who is sane in today's society can ever accuse Liberals of having any foresight.

..the Toledo Blade locked out it's Unions?

I'll bet you all still subscribed to the Blade durning the lockout and even now that the Blade has shafted it's union employees you continue to get your marching orders from Block Communications.

Where was this friggin "outrage" when Jeff Heitz was telling Toledo how much better China is than Blade Unions?

And, now that the Blade has shafted it's Unions and returned to being profitable, what makes you think that the American Public has not seen that shafting Unions at the Blade saved the Blade money?

Locking out Unions for a year worked to save the Blade money and in fact has returned the Blade to profitabliltiy. Locking out Unions will work again for Ohio taxpayers to save tax money.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

Are you a tea lover, too? Lots of fresh brew on the Birch web site. GZ admitted it's his favorite beverage. Continue to lap up his pekoe puke.

Ah yes.....more heavy flow of your illustrious wisdom from the smelly orifice that is your thinking box...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Too bad you hate girls, scumbag. Bend over and I'm sure GZ would be willing to oblige. After all, what are best friends for?

More buggery on the brian....

Hate girls?

Nope...been married over a quarter century...pack of kids too...

But...it's clear that even liberal woman have buggery on the brian...

Everything always reverts to anal sex for you idiots...I'm starting to think that the supressed desire for anal penitration is at the core of the mental illness they call "liberalism"..either looking to dish it out...or take it...

I do appreciate that you stopped pretending that you are any different than the rest of the scum suckers we call "liberals" though...

I always love it when the mask of civility slips away and we get to see the true libtard underneath....

A snarling little animal, full of hate and rage....mad at life cuz "it's not fair"...and trying desparately to live vicariously through a life of fantasy and imposed self denial...

You even have to invent shit to be perpetually offended about that isnt even REAL.

Like your bullshit communist agit-prop that the rosenburgs were not communist spies that passed nuclear secrets to the soviets.

Bitching about southern racists....who were DEMOCRATS....

And watching too many Oliver Stone movies and thinking they are documentaries...

Lady...you got it bad....and that aint good....

What are doing is called "projection"....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

You can scrub all you want. The stench will never go away.

Well maybe if you tried to think outside you box and curb your flow of wisdom... it wouldnt smell so bad.

Damn!...there's a flock of sea gulls following yo ass...

Here...this link might help you out...

http://www.howtogetridofstuff.com/computer-problems/how-to-get-rid-of-va...

lave tu panocha puta!!!!!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Your rambling apparently made some sort of sense to you, but to the rest of the world you are an idiot.

WTF does "Are you a tea lover, too? Lots of fresh brew on the Birch web site. GZ admitted it's his favorite beverage. Continue to lap up his pekoe puke" have to do with you and your Union buddies getting shafted by the Blade and rolling over for it?

That's your "argument"? Ohio sees that the Blade cut it’s Union off and returned to being profitable, and the best you can do to refute that clam is ask me if I like tea?

You’re comments are so worthless that I could go on and on helping you to embarrass yourself, but you are not worth the effort. You are proving that you are a flaming moron all by yourself.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

A union boss sits down at a table that only has two envelopes on it. In those envelopes are:

  1. The ability to collect mandatory (forced) dues from their members.
  2. A potpourri of benefits, pensions, wages and collective bargaining rights for their members.

You inform him/her they can pick one envelope and one envelope only. And once that selection is made, the envelope that wasn't chosen goes away for good.

So which envelope does said union boss select?

C) they break your legs and take both envelopes.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

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