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Swamp Bubbles used to be a good place to get a feeling for what people think about events in the greater Toledo area, It appears that for the last few months the site has become a place for outright crazies and a__hats to expound their point of view. Too bad, it, was a good site to go to. Ta, Ta, for now. Don't bother replying as I will not be looking at it.

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Our ever-shortening non-working time has become even more precious. Most of the stories (except Chris) and replies on Swampbubbles are petty, unintelligent (stupid), irrelevant and are nothing more than massive cut and post posts (I'm thinking of one person) which tend to not even apply to the subject.

Chris Myers has tried to give us an uncensored outlet and a some have abused that priviledge. It's simply not worth my time to sift through all of the petty, stupid and irrelevant posts to try and find one with an actual intelligent point. There are some who are relevant and intelligent.

Perhaps Chris should consider being the only one who posts the original story and then moderate the reponses. As much as the jungle blog kind of irritates me for doing that, Lisa Renee may have a point.

As usual, it's the few bad apples that ruin it for the rest of us.

I love Swampbubbles, but allin has a point.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

could it be changed? Open to ideas.

BTW

I have long ago filtered out comments that I don't want to read. I don't read them. I have been distracted recently, which is why I have not spent the time on this site I should have.

"used to be a good place to get a feeling for what people think"

yet

" the site has become a place for outright crazies and a__hats to expound their point of view."

Hard to find out what we're thinking without sharing a point of view...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Some people apparently cannot handle opposing viewpoints.
Some people apparently cannot function without the group.
Some people need to surround themselves by like-minded people because they cannot handle thinking for themselves.

Those people tend to go to Facebook to ferret out a following of other simpletons who will not confront their lies, or lack of thought. A typical "conversation" of those drones goes something like:
bla bla bla.
YEA!! and bla bla bla.
I KNOW! and bla bla bla
YOU'RE SO RIGHT! and bla bla bla

Then they pat each-other on the butts; hold hands and sing Kumbaya, and then skip away thinking the entire world thinks the way they do. Trying to support their point of view is what they are looking for, not someone who disagrees and uses supporting documentation to explain why they disagree.

The truth, opposing viewpoints, supporting documentation and a valid thought process are like kryptonite to these kinds of drones.

You might as well be talking to a bowl of wax fruit on your kitchen table than to these people. At lease wax fruit is smart enough not to even try to talk.

It must be sad to go through life needing a pat on the back in order to feel like you matter.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

1. I always chuckle at the dramatic "bye bye" posts folks sometimes create when they decide they no longer like a site. Do these people also write the producers of television shows when they stop watching, or pen incensed missives when they stop visiting the nearby McDonald's because of the food quality? Oh yeah: they probably DO compose such righteously indignant signoffs.

2. That being said, the usefulness and quality of the site for me has noticeably declined. The site is largely a partisan circle-jerk these days, and if I want a dose of Hannity-Olberman-Drudge-Limbaugh-Daily KOS-Beck-Savage I will seek it out from the original source. I find the site is often a bunch of cut-and-paste posts from ideologues who post their favorite articles and mass emails, while the original writing on the site is increasingly rare.

3. The handful of persons of dubious mental stability lurking at SB also makes the site less-than-interesting to me. The last thing I need is add to the collection of neo-Nazis, local loons, zealous community activists, and deranged idiots who have stalked, harassed, and/or threatened me with legal action in various forms the last five years for having the audacity to post my thoughts in a public manner. On this site alone I have observed members threaten to publish my personal information, to call my employers to denounce me as a menace, to retain a lawyer and file suit for linking to the person's own words, and otherwise act in impugning and defaming my character from behind the anonymity of their screen names. Frankly, the more time I spend on SB the more pointless idiocy I inject into my life, and even seemingly "safe" and innocuous threads and posts sometimes attract the most puzzling responses from the unstable types in this community.

4. I doubt that Chris can do anything about the level of discourse on the site, as this has more to do with evolving virtual community standards: when an atmosphere of respectful dialogue develops, it tends to nudge the rabid and tactless goons down the highway toward Respectville. Yet a few minutes posting on SB more likely than not is an exercise in vitriolic personal attacks. Again, the world is harsh enough without adding to the level of angry people in one's life.

5. The presence of conspiracy- and issue-obsessed posters is also a yawner for me, like the incessant Commie paranoia and global-warming-is-a-fraud posts and comments from a handful of members. The site some weeks just reads like an expanded version of the Drudge Report, which again I scan when I am interested in the latest sensationalized headline blather of the world's most successful hyperlinker.

6. I have actually been spending more time on Facebook, where conversation can occur without the lunatics and zealots hijacking the place. I actually have significantly more right-leaning FB friends than left-of-center types, but the advantage to FB is that the personal connections mean that people are a lot more likely to act like, well, "friends." Friends who sometimes disagree, of course, but friends who do not insult each other with the kind of rhetoric that would make Mafia thugs blush. Again, I have a number of personal friends in the real world whose politics are hard-right, and they would never act toward me the way the ideological zealots on this site do. I also participate in other forums where people from across the political spectrum exchange ideas and post opinions without the enraged bile spewing from some of this site's keyboard commandos.

*waves*

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PLEASE TELL US MORE ABOUT THE PERSON WHO CAUSED THE BUTTHURT.
They are a big mean poopy pants who should be banned from the internet forever or at least until they learn that I am right and superior and they are wrong and should bow down and worship me now..
They deserve to be hunted down like a dog and shot dead on their own front porch.
They and their ilk deserve to be rounded up and herded into concentration camps.
There should be laws to punish people like that.
They should be kicked out of America, because we're the home of the free and we just don't DO shit like that here.
They should be just as accountable for their actions online as they are in the real world, and also so I can have access to all their personal information so I can stalk then.
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I organized a DDoS attack on their server/website.
I got all my bestest friends together and organized a flamewar.
I created new emails / LJ accounts for the specific purpose of flaming this person.
I posted this person's RL information everywhere that I could think of; they'll get a Molotov cocktail through their bedroom window sooner or later. That'll teach 'em to mess with me.
I realized that arguing on the internet is usually pointless and found something else to do with my time.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

and it looks like you need a double shot of cyanide.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Hrm....my very first wish of death here...

Awesome...guess they dont call you madjack for nothing...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Mike your hatred and scorn for folks that disagree with you are quite evident on here and particularly on your blog. Why do you hate people that disagree with your Marxist outlook on life? Do you hate people that are not as "progressive"/marxist as you? Are we too stupid? Do you hate us because we don't want our constitution and our country to evolute into the communist utopia that would would make you cream your pants?

Mike, you seem to be a paranoid psychotic, just read your posts and blog and you might see that. Please take some meds.

Historymike said this? "I doubt that Chris can do anything about the level of discourse on the site,"

You are the biggest attack artist on this site. And I honestly hope you are not presenting the Marxist way or no way bulling to naive students.

Historymike, you are the prototypical "I guy", you are the guy, everyone else, is just stupid. You mentioned yourself, "I" 11 times up there, What a genius, we should be licking your shoes. You are the "I" guy! Hahahaha!

Not Again, are a prime example of what's wrong with this site and our current election process. You're ignorant, and your ignorance is surpassed only by your stupidity.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

within 17 minutes of each other, headed by a 'Typical Hate Message' headline-accusation of HM on the first. I doubt he grasps the irony.

Swampbubbles at it's finest.

And

Thanks for proving several of my points, geniuses. I couldn't have said it better myself. I am not going to waste my time in another useless SB flame war, but have fun, fellows!

Yeah...run away after hurling a slew of cowardly unnamed insults...

You dont want the free exchange if ideals...you want an echo chamber and a crowd of syncophants to appluad your brilliance...save it for your class room where you rule...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

is not a good comment Zeitgeist. You can be productive.

Out of 11 comments, HM was the only one that really added to the discussion besides Chris.

The main point of the original poster's complaint was just proved. I was kinda glad to see replies, then I actually read them. At least someone replied.... I guess.

You and MikeyA are the only individuals who call themselves 'conservatives' left on this board who are even remotely worth taking seriously.

We've disagreed on various topics here but congrats on adding to this discussion beyond noise and static.

It really has gotten a little annoying.

We've definitely disagreed on a lot (I wanna make that clear before someone tries to give me another conservative litmus test) But some just take it beyond disagreement and that's where we've gotten to on SB.

But on the bright side, DBA is gone, BUT criticizing his insane posts was one thing most of us agreed on.

Um...thomas...anyone on the right is david been nutzo to these guys...

Need I remind you that this was posted to you by the same guy who just praised you??

a sentence that's cause for concern...
Submitted by McCaskey on Sat, 2009-11-21 11:28.
'I thought it was intriguing and thought of DBA'.

If you're even 'thinking' about DBA, you should seek treatment.

http://swampbubbles.com/20091120/dba-substitute-post-jesus-christ-saw-sa...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

It will be a better forum without idiots like you,

reason why I read and don't post. Just got tired of being called names and being accused of unfounded stuff from people who don't know me.

Still, thanks Chris for giving the opportunity.........for rational debate.

Hopefully, it can be turned around. Bubblers: don't bother to reply to my comment, because I will read but won't reply. :)

*cough*

"This country's progress has been hijacked by Town Hall Meetings and Tea Parties for the past year which to me is a type of treason." Punhurts

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Can

everyone make positive suggestions?

There have always been posting lulls when people just haven't posted all too often.

However, I have always enjoyed this site for the information that isn't verifiable and won't be told in the news. I've always enjoyed the local rumors and speculation - if anybody has anything, share it!

Sure, it might be just rumor, but that's what drives Toledo politics, no?

Sure I can....start swinging that ban hammer you got stashed in the closet...

This is YOUR house....all of us are guests...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

very interesting. You're a conservative, right?

I'm a guest here just like you are...this site is private property...there is no freespeech issue here...

I'm sure that there is a nugget of thought just waiting to burst out from you on that "because I'm a conservative"...

So lets hear it....what's your beef with me suggesting chris clean the place out a bit...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I'm interested in your ideas for just how Chris 'should clean the place out a bit.'..

No...you are actually fishing for something to club me over the head with...

Nice try though...

You want the place to be civil...then enforce civility...quite simple actually...

This notion seems to be a threat of some kind to you....why?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

if you give me the material to do so, but you're right....you're better off not playing along. Smartest move you've made yet on this thread. See? There's something positive said on your behalf, lol.

Still no comment on the behaviour standard either I see...

That's three tries now...

I dont want this place to into just another democrat underground or free republic where other points of view are verboten...sure there is "some" disagreement on these sites...but they are pretty much lockstep left or right...

I ENJOY political interaction on the web...it's actually pretty hard to find with the threat of an iron boot on your neck......

I dont get into the whole " I hate yer guts" thing...I dont even know you mcnasty...how can I hate you...or anyone else here?

But I do like to box....I like a challange...I like being forced to look stuff up and to question my own beliefs...

I LEARN MORE by being challenged...

Hell I've probably looked up and read enough material to qualify for a degree in poli sci, economics, american history, world history and current events...

I had to dig up a bunch of stuff on the START treaty just the other day....just for an argument I was having on another site I frequent...

I like the wild west...I like a knock down drag out argument...I like digging around the internet looking for facts, opinions, quotes, and figures...

I only wish I could type faster....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

'I dont get into the whole " I hate yer guts" thing...I dont even know you mcnasty...how can I hate you...or anyone else here?'

You're a rambling fool. Where did I mention 'hate'?

'I dont want this place to into just another democrat underground or free republic where other points of view are verboten...sure there is "some" disagreement on these sites...but they are pretty much lockstep left or right...
I ENJOY political interaction on the web...it's actually pretty hard to find with the threat of an iron boot on your neck......'

Let's try this...ONCE AGAIN.

You claim to be into this 'interaction'...'wild west'...'knock out drag out argument'...'digging around looking your facts and figures'...

AND THEN YOU SAY CHRIS MYERS SHOULD BAN POSTERS ('SWING THE BAN HAMMER') WHO DON'T FIT INTO SOME BEHAVIORAL STANDARD.

You take a crap all over your own 'theory' of how this site could be made better.

You are now, officially---BORING.

Yep...said I like this site they way it is....I dont need a crutch to participate on a public forum..

BUT...

...if the problem is just a few asshats...(myself included)...then the direct way to deal with it is to remove the asshats...

Problem solved.

Oh but that's just too easy...

The indirect and ineffective way to deal with it is to :

Control content

Restrict charactor count

Mob approval

Restrict allowable topics

Moderate posts

Prescreen posts

Provide an ignore function

None of that deals with asshats...as asshats are good at wiggling around the rules and dancing just on the other side of outright personal attacks...

And this place WILL become an asshat echo chamber...

I know a thing or three about forum moderation...having been a forum moderator for over a decade...

The only way to truly control a mob is to get rid of the worst offenders as an example...

Have a strict and clear term of service agreement (rules)...and enforce it fairly with a team of volunteer moderators and assigned admins with an appeal function..(bad moderators happen)...

It's critical to have a diverse mod staff lest they fall into group think and kill the website participation with bad moderating...(fanboy complex).

Chris becomes CEO with a trusted staff of admins overseeing a group of moderators...

Only admins can ban...mods can only edit and report violations...

You dont have to control content..

You dont have to have charactor limits....

You dont need an ignore function...

You dont need to restrict topics or modes or posting...

The mob cant silence individuals...

You dont need to presreen posts...

And asshats get the boot pretty quick....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

You've said removing 'asshats' is really all that's needed to clean up the site.

Now, what I want to know is, who, in your opinion, deserves to be kicked off the island and the methodology used to determine who those individuals are.

Don't just tell me 'it's up to Chris, ' because in your scenario he would have 'a trusted staff of admins' to help handle the process.

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“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

you've gone to all this trouble to give your theories on improving the site.

I simply want to know how you'd handle it as, say, one of those assistants helping Chris determine who the 'asshats' are.

You've pointed out you have vast experience as a forum moderator, right? So, let's hear your qualified opinion in this matter.

Besides the ideas I put in the first post in this thread ("100%.....) I would add these suggestions Chris:

1. Limit word count, perhaps 200-350 at the most. Posters should be able to make their point.
2. disallow imbeded utube and other videos/graphics. Just put on the link. If someone wants to click on it they will.

Of course this won't stop irrelevant, cutting and pasting or stupid/bothersome posts, but it will at least slow them down + quicker to skip over for most.

Like I said in my other post I love SB. Would hate to see it censored like "that other one."
Also, is there an option to block certain posters on SB?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

'Like I said in my other post I love SB. Would hate to see it censored like "that other one."

'Also, is there an option to block certain posters on SB?'

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

tombrown. Not sure about #2 but #1 is very interesting.

I figure "freedom of speech" is alive on this forum. Anyone can post anything as long as it isn't too inflammatory. I usually used the site for polling, but I have not had much I wanted a "public opinion" on. I tend to use TT because I think more people tend to use that one. It might just be that we are "between times". Perhaps a couple of weeks before the next balloting people will begin to comment on issues that are important to them. Right now the budget has been decided, and perhaps some members are just burned out. When I come on "SwampBubbles" I expect to be "flamed" if I provide less than a "conservative" opinion. It is unfortunate that someone who seems to provide a cogent viewpoint like HM gets "flamed" but that is the price of freedom of speech. Those of us who can't stand the heat go elsewhere until we see something that draws us back to the flame.

Old South End Broadway

I'll take issue with the premis that HM post was anything other than a flame post itself..he just didnt use names...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

What words or phrases or hidden meanings did you read (or tease) out of the text that lead you believe that it was a "flame" post?

Old South End Broadway

Ok...I been on the net for ages...been an internet gaming forum moderator for well over a decade...

one doesnt even need to read between HM lines...one only need read them...

"The site is largely a partisan circle-jerk these days"

You really dont think he's refering to democrats do you?

"the site is often a bunch of cut-and-paste posts from ideologues who post their favorite articles and mass emails"

Again...not in reference to anything a lib might have posted...

"The handful of persons of dubious mental stability lurking at SB also makes the site less-than-interesting to me. The last thing I need is add to the collection of neo-Nazis, local loons, zealous community activists, and deranged idiots"

See HM is also a certified mental health professional now...he knows through his magic looking glass who is non compos mentis and who is not...

" On this site alone I have observed members threaten to publish my personal information"

Well I know for sure that at least one of these was me....but it wasnt a threat...it was a QUESTION in athread were users private information was being posted here and HM was Ok with it...so I asked if he would be OK with having HIS phone number and address posted....It wasnt a threat...and I didnt post it...

I also find it highly ironic when someone blogs in their own name...posts a link to that blog...then acts like you are invading his privacy by posting stuff he already posted for all the world to see...

"Frankly, the more time I spend on SB the more pointless idiocy I inject into my life, and even seemingly "safe" and innocuous threads and posts sometimes attract the most puzzling responses from the unstable types in this community."

Again with the "unstable types"...he cant bring himself to call out by name...

"I doubt that Chris can do anything about the level of discourse on the site, as this has more to do with evolving virtual community standards: when an atmosphere of respectful dialogue develops, it tends to nudge the rabid and tactless goons down the highway toward Respectville. Yet a few minutes posting on SB more likely than not is an exercise in vitriolic personal attacks. Again, the world is harsh enough without adding to the level of angry people in one's life."

Rabid and tactless goons...

". The presence of conspiracy- and issue-obsessed posters is also a yawner for me, like the incessant Commie paranoia and global-warming-is-a-fraud posts and comments from a handful of members. The site some weeks just reads like an expanded version of the Drudge Report, which again I scan when I am interested in the latest sensationalized headline blather of the world's most successful hyperlinker."

Need one say much more?

"I have actually been spending more time on Facebook, where conversation can occur without the lunatics and zealots hijacking the place."

Lunatics and zealots....who just who would that be?

" Again, I have a number of personal friends in the real world whose politics are hard-right, and they would never act toward me the way the ideological zealots on this site do."

Well gee..I guess it's just about anyone who disagrees with HM....the right wingers...

See the one thing evident about HM....he sures like to dish it out...but he cant take it....

And if you disagree with him....well you are one of those lunatic zealots, a rabid tactless goon, particpiating in a partisan circle jerk and messing up HM nice pretty interweb....

Forget all about the socialist agit-prop posted...forget all about the hate speech and wishes of death from the moonbats...

Nope...the problem here is clearly that those filthy right wingers think they have a right to post whatever they want here....

Cant have that....liberals cannot compete in the free market of ideals...they always seek a crutch of a friendly atmosphere where they arent challenged to actually back up their crap...

I suggested Chris use the ban hammer....but you may notice I didnt point my finger at anyone to call for them to get banned...it isnt my house...

And I've told chris myself...if I get out of line...simply say so...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

'I suggested Chris use the ban hammer'

'liberals cannot compete in the free market of ideals'

'one doesnt even need to read between HM lines...one only need read them...'

'he cant bring himself to call out by name'...

'I suggested Chris use the ban hammer, but you may notice I didnt point my finger at anyone to call for them to get banned..'

You're on a roll, keep going.

Yep....swing that ban hammer....

Set a standard for behaviour and enforce it...for EVERYONE...

I can live with that...why cant you?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

'liberals cannot compete in the free market of ideals'

You say you want the 'ban hammer swung', so that must mean you cannot compete in the free market of 'ideals' (sic).

So, I'm guessing now you're a liberal?

LOL, the long and winding road...

yep...just looking for something to club me with...

Cant have a simple standard and expect people to abide by it eh?

So clearly...enforcing civil behaviour is some kind of "partisan" threat to you....why is that?

It's a standard I'm perfectly willing to accept...yet you seem to balk...

.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Not going to waste time on the flame portions of your post, Zeitgeist, but if you actually read my post instead of cherry-picking for evidence of right wing distatste you will see that there are references to left-wing drones as well (i.e. "Hannity-Olberman-Drudge-Limbaugh-Daily KOS-Beck-Savage" ; "zealous community activists").

I enjoy discussing politics with all sorts of people, but I no longer waste my time with stalkers or people who accuse me of being a Marxist indoctrinator simply because I teach college. There used to be quite a few conservatives I enjoyed reading on this site, but most of them have either disappeared or become inactive the last few months (billy and helenwheales come to mind). As far as you: there are quite a few times I actually agree with what you write, but your slash-and-burn approach and vilification of political opponents is a waste of time for me. Also, that weird Zeitgeist-as-Svengali BS you had going a few months ago was a little too creepy for me ("dance, puppet, dance").

Carry on.

And once again...so much for the old "I'm not going to reply "canard...

"Thanks for proving several of my points, geniuses. I couldn't have said it better myself. I am not going to waste my time in another useless SB flame war, but have fun, fellows!"

Mike you are so full of shit that if you had an emema you could fit in a shoebox.

I absolutely LOVE how you guys complain about vileness and rudness and nuttery while engaging in the very same thing at the same time...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"Not going to waste time on the flame portions of your post"

BTW..this is libspeak for "I got nothin"...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

...but other parts (to me) are just the give-and-take of opposing viewpoints "I doubt that Chris can do anything about the level of discourse on the site, as this has more to do with evolving virtual community standards: when an atmosphere of respectful dialogue develops, it tends to nudge the rabid and tactless goons down the highway toward Respectville. Yet a few minutes posting on SB more likely than not is an exercise in vitriolic personal attacks. Again, the world is harsh enough without adding to the level of angry people in one's life."

I do not always agree with HM but mostly he has been civil. But civility is disreputable in the "virtual world".

Old South End Broadway

You'll have to forgive Zeitgeist, as he seems to be under the assumption that my original response revolved entirely around him. In actuality there are other posters on this site who are more disruptive and contribute significantly less meaningful dialogue that Zeitgeist, but again I am refraining from the "name the names" approach because anyone who is singled out will immediately get on the defensive and launch into ballistic mode.

And once again: there are left-leaning posters who are just as guilty of site-wreckage as anyone on political right.

yep...just the ole angry white guy syndrome...LOL

Actually...this is my flat out scoffing mode...

Good to see you are at least 90/10 on who's doing what...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

It is hard to compare statistics because other sites don't release stats. They may say they have a certain number of visitors, but I am not entirely sure it is a real count. This site is listed on Quantcast so you can always see the traffic Quantcast reports.
http://www.quantcast.com/swampbubbles.com

I have also found out that Spammers make up a decent amount of traffic on a site. When I installed items to prevent foreign spammers from posting, which has been fairly effective now, the traffic also dropped noticeably. But the site has stagnated and the numbers are down. It is hard to tell how much traffic spammers make on other sites, but you will never know, but you can also see when I installed the anti-spam software. I try to keep a level of transparency on this site showing read counts and public stats. Not every site subscribes to this.

Per the earlier request by Chris, here are a few suggestions for SB:

1. Post-level material should not be copy-pasta of articles from other sources. In-text links to relevant articles in the form of replies is fine, but again: when one person - regardless of ideology - fills up the site with a bunch of copy-and-paste material, the site loses the discursive appeal.

2. The same should hold true of YouTube videos - fine as replies, but irritating when the site gets filled up with post-level videos. Also, since I occasionally visit the site via cell phone, those video posts bog down site loading.

3. Flaming and trolling kill a site, or reduce it to a site in which flaming and trolling is the norm. Obviously everyone has bad days ( for example, I called jasonbaliey a "mental midget" a few weeks ago in a moment of irritation), but posters whose sole purpose seems to be to troll and attack should face some sort of site penalty. Some sites have the vote up/vote down function, and other sites have community mechanisms where the accumulation of "good karma/bad karma" is associated with the ability to create posts. I am not a fan of perma-bans except in extreme behavior, but posters who repeatedly ignore community standards are like a cancer.Chris used to informally use his "penalty box," which is one method, but I have always prefered a consensus approach: when a high percentage of users (say, 80-90 percent) object to the presence and/or behavior of a single troll and there is an agreed-upon mechanism by which such miscreants can be identified, such people can incur increasing penalties.

4. Bringing back the Ignore function would at least remove from view individual members who are annoying. There used to be a member who created 3-4 inane and irrelevant posts every day, cluttering up the site with a bunch of uninteresting Yahoo tidbits. When I blocked that person's posts, the site was much more valuable.

1. Post-level material should not be copy-pasta of articles from other sources. In-text links to relevant articles in the form of replies is fine, but again: when one person - regardless of ideology - fills up the site with a bunch of copy-and-paste material, the site loses the discursive appeal.

Content control....dont be posting stuff I dont like in a manner I dont like...

2. The same should hold true of YouTube videos - fine as replies, but irritating when the site gets filled up with post-level videos. Also, since I occasionally visit the site via cell phone, those video posts bog down site loading.

Content control...dont be posting stuff I dont like in a manner I dont like....

3. Flaming and trolling kill a site, or reduce it to a site in which flaming and trolling is the norm. Obviously everyone has bad days ( for example, I called jasonbaliey a "mental midget" a few weeks ago in a moment of irritation), but posters whose sole purpose seems to be to troll and attack should face some sort of site penalty. Some sites have the vote up/vote down function, and other sites have community mechanisms where the accumulation of "good karma/bad karma" is associated with the ability to create posts. I am not a fan of perma-bans except in extreme behavior, but posters who repeatedly ignore community standards are like a cancer.Chris used to informally use his "penalty box," which is one method, but I have always prefered a consensus approach: when a high percentage of users (say, 80-90 percent) object to the presence and/or behavior of a single troll and there is an agreed-upon mechanism by which such miscreants can be identified, such people can incur increasing penalties.

Tyranny of the majority...mob rule....censorship of opinions that are not popular

4. Bringing back the Ignore function would at least remove from view individual members who are annoying. There used to be a member who created 3-4 inane and irrelevant posts every day, cluttering up the site with a bunch of uninteresting Yahoo tidbits. When I blocked that person's posts, the site was much more valuable.

Make it go away....pretend it doesnt exist...feel much better...

How about a simple standard of civility?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

An example of the disruptive nature of copy-pasta:

Netiquette (a portmanteau formed from "network etiquette") is a set of social conventions that facilitate interaction over networks, ranging from Usenet and mailing lists to blogs and forums. These rules were described in IETF RFC 1855.[1] However, like many Internet phenomena, the concept and its application remain in a state of flux, and vary from community to community. The points most strongly emphasized about USENET netiquette often include using simple electronic signatures, and avoiding multiposting, cross-posting, off-topic posting, hijacking a discussion thread, and other techniques used to minimize the effort required to read a post or a thread. Netiquette guidelines posted by IBM for employees utilizing Second Life in an official capacity, however, focus on basic professionalism, maintaining a tenable work environment, and protecting IBM's intellectual property.[2] Similarly, some Usenet guidelines call for use of unabbreviated English[3][4] while users of online chat protocols like IRC and instant messaging protocols like SMS often encourage just the opposite, bolstering use of SMS language.

Contents [hide]
1 History
2 Common characteristics
3 See also
4 References
5 External links

[edit] History
Netiquette began before the 1991 start of the World Wide Web. Text-based email, Telnet, Usenet, Gopher, Wais, and FTP from educational and research bodies dominated Internet traffic. At that time, it was considered somewhat indecent to make commercial public postings, and the limitations of insecure, text-only communications demanded that the community have a common set of rules. The term "netiquette" has been in use since at least 1983[5], as evidenced by posts of the satirical "Dear Emily" Postnews column.[6]

[edit] Common characteristics
Common rules for e-mail[7] and USENET such as avoiding flamewars and spam are constant across most mediums and communities. Another rule is to avoid typing in all caps or grossly enlarging script for emphasis, which is considered to be the equivalent of shouting or yelling. Other commonly shared points, such as remembering that one's posts are (or can easily be made) public, are generally intuitively understood by publishers of Web pages and posters to USENET, although this rule is somewhat flexible depending on the environment. On more private protocols, however, such as e-mail and SMS, some users take the privacy of their posts for granted. One-on-one communications, such as private messages on chat forums and direct SMSs, may be considered more private than other such protocols, but infamous breaches surround even these relatively private media. For example, Paris Hilton's Sidekick PDA was cracked in 2005, resulting in the publication of her private photos, SMS history, address book, etc.[8]

More substantially, a group email sent by Cerner CEO Neal Patterson to managers of a facility in Kansas City concerning "Cerner's declining work ethic" read, in part, "The parking lot is sparsely used at 8 A.M.; likewise at 5 P.M. As managers - you either do not know what your EMPLOYEES are doing; or YOU do not CARE ... In either case, you have a problem and you will fix it or I will replace you."[9] After the email was forwarded to hundreds of other employees, it quickly leaked to the public. On the day that the email was posted to Yahoo!, Cerner's stock price fell by over 22%[10] from a high of $1.5 billion USD.[11]

Beyond matters of basic courtesy and privacy, e-mail syntax (defined by RFC 2822) allows for different types of recipients. The primary recipient, defined by the To: line, can reasonably be expected to respond, but recipients of carbon copies cannot be, although they still might.[12] Likewise, misuse of the CC: functions in lieu of traditional mailing lists can result in serious technical issues. In late 2007, employees of the United States Department of Homeland Security used large CC: lists in place of a mailing list to broadcast messages to several hundred users. Misuse of the "reply to all" caused the number of responses to that message to quickly expand to some two million messages, bringing down their mail server.[13] In cases like this, rules of netiquette have to do with efficient sharing of resources and ensuring that the associated technology continues to function rather than more basic etiquette.

Variations in etiquette between communities using similar technologies can be seen when comparing standards governing wiki editors: IBM's Redwiki guidelines threaten the loss of editing privileges over factual mistakes,[14] while Memory Alpha[15] and other public wikis take the open-source-inspired line that "false or misleading information" should simply be corrected, barring apparent malice. However, both projects urge editors not to permit themselves a sense of ownership over a given article, as does Wikipedia.[16] Due to the large variation between acceptable behavior in various professional environments and between professional and social networks, codified internal manuals of style are key to enforcing acceptable limits to user behavior. For instance, failure to publish such a guide was cited among the reasons for a $17,000 NZD wrongful dismissal finding against a firm that fired a woman for misuse of all caps in company-wide email traffic.[17][18]

Netiquette is the fusing of the words Network and Etiquette. These rules, while never carved in stone, are pretty much known by anyone who's used the Internet for a while and should always be abided by. They apply to all aspects of your wheeling and dealing on the Internet, whether it be the content of your website, an email, or chat room banter. Much of it is common sense, but there are some elements of it that are borne out of the medium we're communicating through (that would be text).

The main rule to stick by is just treat people like you would want to be treated. Very biblical, I know, but it's true. You have to be polite and considerate to anyone you meet. There's a tendency on the Internet to abuse your anonymity and go all-out insulting people, but that's just sad. Always consider whether your comment may be appropriate, and whether it could cause hurt feelings. Be careful about how your words come across — misunderstandings can be common. Without a tone of voice, unless you're a great writer, a sarcastic or otherwise harmless comment can often come off the wrong way. Use emoticons to show your tone.

Remember that even though you can't see them, there are people on the other end of the line. If you wouldn't say it to someone's face, chances are you shouldn't say it here either. A nasty comment or critical email can ruin someone's day.

Surroundings and Audience
If you're entering a chat room or message board for the first time, take a while to familiarise yourself with the rules that may apply. If younger children are present you'll notice that swearing will probably result in you being kicked or banned by the moderators (the people chosen to keep order by dealing with trouble-makers). The variation in what's acceptable can range broadly between similar sites. This process of learning something about the atmosphere of an arena is called lurking. Once you think you know what you can and can't say, go ahead and join in.

When writing for a web site the concept of 'audience' becomes even more important. If you're going for a broad range of visitors then you pretty much have to keep all the swearing, blasphemy and secret hatreds to yourself. If, however, you decide to aim for a more focused group of people like teenagers, then you can relax on some of this (well, the swearing at any rate) and give people — and yourself — a little more freedom.

The Internet was founded on the basis of information sharing and discussion. If you have experience or skills in an area then write about it and answer questions from others. By setting up valuable resources for others, you can make the web a more useful service.

No matter who you're writing to, you should always strive to sound intelligent, and don't take everything too seriously. A laugh here and there is absolutely necessary to give your writing some energy. And people just like good writing, so do your best to write some.

'Newbies'
It's nice how us elite have coined a whole new word for those despicable new Internet users, isn't it? Newbies are the poor little guys who are just being broken in to the world of the Internet. Become a little experienced and you can spot them a mile off, mainly because you can remember what it was like to be one. If you come into contact with a newbie, try to help them out a bit. You would've been grateful for their help had it been the other way around. Newbie-haters are most rampant in the treacherous world of online gaming, so if you could be a samaritan in that area, you'd be a good person.

Typing
The first rule of typing that everybody should be aware of is that writing IN CAPITALS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU'RE SHOUTING. You'll often hear people asking others to "lay off the caps", and for good reason. Shouting makes you look like an idiot. Don't type more than a few consecutive words in capitals. If you want to emphasise something, use the wealth of HTML options available to you. If those aren't available, stick some *stars* around your text. There's always an alternative.

Typos and grammatical errors are largely unavoidable. When writing for your website, these should always be eradicated using a spell-checker and, if possible, a manual check to find anything that your spell-checker didn't. There's no excuse for sending out a poorly-written page, as it wastes people's often valuable online time. In the cut-and-thrust world of the chat room where retorts have to be flung out as fast as possible you're not always able to catch mistakes before they happen. But you should give your message a quick once-over before clicking send; if only because once you say it there's no going back.

If someone else makes a spelling mistake, while it's undeniably annoying, you should refrain from pointing out their mistakes. That's never funny. Help someone out if they're in dire need of some intelligence (through private email if possible), but try not to go at someone for every example of idiocy. You'd wear yourself out.

Basic Netiquette "Rules" (summary)

1. ALL CAPS means shouting
2. Use underscores or asterisks for emphasizing words
3. Watch your tone -- it's written, not verbal communication
4. Check your spelling
5. Quote back only what is relevant
6. Use an automatic signature, especially if you are a business
7. Where are you located if requesting goods or services?
8. Don't send unsolicited file attachments
9. Use a descriptive Subject line
10. Only forward jokes and chainletters if you are SURE the recipient wants them (and hasn't already gotten a copy or three from someone else)
11. Don't send "Check This Out" Unsolicited URLs
12. Don't expose your email routing list to spammers
13. If you are on AOL, do not use the "Forward" command
14. Don't believe every cybermyth, urban legend, hoax or virus "alert" sent to you
(verify it before believing or forwarding it to anyone else by visiting http://urbanlegends.about.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/mbody.htm)

Here are the rules of thumb for conversing in text-only messages.

Email Netiquette Do's and Don'ts
Topics on this page:
1. All Caps
2. Emphasizing Words
3. Watch Your Tone
4. Spell Check
5. Quoting
6. Signature
7. Where Are You?
8. File Attachments
9. Descriptive Subject Line
10. Forwarding Jokes and Chainletters
11. "Check This Out" Unsolicited URLs
12. Don't Expose Your Email Routing List

About Email

These two topics have been moved to their own page (for space):
Email Abbreviations
Emoticons (Emotion Icons) or Smilies

Netiquette Rules Summary

1.
ALL CAPS
The most important rule is never use all caps for your messages. IT MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU ARE SHOUTING. It is highly offensive and especially hard to read. Caps may be used sparingly to emphasize a word or phrase. Trust me, avoid using the caps lock key on your keyboard, or suffer the wrath of the annoyed recipient! You send me a message that is all in caps and it's going right into my trash without being read.

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2.
EMPHASIZING WORDS
Because we do not have italic and bold in email (it is "text-only" or "ASCII"), we need other ways to emphasize a word or phrase. To _emphasize_, we outline the word or phrase with an _underscore_ character (shift-hyphen), or maybe *asterisks*, or other little used characters like an =equal sign=. If your browser has enhanced text features like fonts and styles, do not use them. How do you know your recipient has those _exact_ fonts? It also takes longer to send and draw to the screen.

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3.
WATCH YOUR TONE
Please remember that you are sending a text-based communication to possible strangers. They may not know your sarcasm or witty sense of humor like your family and close friends do. For this reason, it is imperative to get into the habit of using some of the common shorthand features in your email, especially the public ones you may post to a newsgroup or forum (where hundreds, if not thousands of strangers will read your post). Just remember to act as if the reader on the other end doesn't know your personality, you have to give them hints as to your tone and emotion. See the emoticon and abbreviations lists at the end of this document.

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4.
SPELL CHECK
Nothing sends the wrong message like poor spelling. Most email users compose their messages and replies off-line, then sending them when they are next able to log on. Get a spell checker for your email software if you do not already have one. *Especially* if you are corresponding for some sort of business purpose, correct spelling conveys literacy and professionalism.

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5.
QUOTING
Quoting portions of a previous message is common in email. The symbol for quoting is a "greater than" (>) symbol (or maybe two). Many email software packages will quote automatically. A quoted email reply may look like this:

>> One Million Dollars! Who are you kidding?!
Well, that's what I said, and if you want to buy it, that's how much it costs!

You need to quote back a comment to remind the recipient what you are responding to, especially if it has been more than an hour since you received the original message.

It is customary to leave a line space between a quote and the reply to make it more readable. Also, remember to break up long diatribes into paragraphs with line spaces between to make it easier to digest/read!

Do NOT quote back the entire email message as sent to you. This wastes bandwidth and download time. Once you hit your reply command, select the non-essential parts of the original message and delete them! If you need to comment or answer a query on a part of the original message, quote only that part... not the entire message. Put your reply one line space down from the query... not all the way at the end of the reply message. Put your comment or answer near the line you wish to comment on or answer! This is also a good way to make sure you respond to each query asked. Let's pretend this is the body of the message you wish to respond to...

>> So, do you want me to fly in on Saturday or Friday for the weekend?
>> It really doesn't matter much to me as I have the whole weekend open.
>> Besides, the family will be gone to South Carolina for the week to see
>> relatives anyway. It will be no big deal either way.
>>
>> Today I was called into my boss's office. He was sitting there typing and
>> then he said, "Well, I think we should work on a new product strategy,
>> and I want your team to handle it." Needless to say, I was quite pleased with
>> his faith in me. He has always been an OK boss before, but now, maybe I can
>> hazard that he really thinks I have potential there. I had hoped that I could
>> move up the ladder into management and now, maybe this is my chance.
Rather than quote this whole section and reply at the end. Only quote the needed parts (deleting the remainder) and reply directly after the item you wish to respond to...

>> So, do you want me to fly in on Saturday or Friday for the weekend?
I would love to see you on Friday so we could have most of the weekend to talk! Please, fly in Friday if you can!

>> Needless to say, I was quite pleased with
>> his faith in me.

I always knew you had the potential to soar. I am thrilled he sees it too! Congratulations!

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6.
SIGNATURE
If your email software supports it, have an auto signature added to every post from you. Be sure to include your first and last name with your email address. If it is business, add your title and/or company name and maybe a phone number with area code. This is also a great way to promote your business with every email you send. (Do not email me requesting help with locating your auto-signature capabilities, read the manual or contact the people who make your software.) But, don't make your signature so long it becomes a nuisance. No cutesy ASCII art of your dog and so on. It's overdone and annoying to most.

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7.
WHERE ARE YOU?
Remember that you are now conversing in a global arena. Keep this in mind when you post a public message via newsgroups, message boards, broadcast emails or live chat asking for help. For example, if you ask for someone to recommend a car repairman in your area... where is your area? Seattle? Atlanta? Des Moines? London? Hong Kong? Anyone can be reading your public post.

And, if you ask for help with your computer or wish to buy or sell a product for the computer, realize that not everyone uses your selection of computer platforms. Are you Mac or PC? Maybe you are UNIX? Remember to specify.

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8.
FILE ATTACHMENTS
If you are sending a file to someone, attached to or via email, remember some very important points:

First of all, UNSOLICITED file attachments are RUDE! Do not EVER send attachments without the permission of the recipient (no matter how cute or funny you think the image or file is). All the computer viruses spread since 1998 have come from file attachments -- period! This is EXACTLY how the Love Bug virus was spread in Spring 2000. Just because someone sends (or apparently sends -- as in the Love Bug virus) you an attachment does NOT mean you are obligated to open it. Use common sense. You would not open a package you received in your home mailbox if you were not expecting it and you did not know the sender -- you would contact the police. Do not unwittingly contribute to this heinous act of sending unsolicited attachments. NEVER send any unsolicited attachments over 1MB and not expect to get hate email in return. But, when sending a solicited attachment, remember the following:

a.
Which computer platform are they using? Macintosh or PC? If you are sending an ".exe" (executable) file to someone on a Mac, they won't be able to do anything with it. .exe format is for PC users only. Besides, that will probably mean the file is big, which brings us to the next point...
b.
File size. Not everyone is using a corporate or government-sponsored email account when it comes to email. Some of us pay for our own metered accounts... we pay by the hour. Or we may have slow internet access for reasons of costs or no availability in our area. Do not send a file attachment that takes a long time to download. This costs the recipient money. Do not suck up my online time with an attachment that prevents me from downloading email from my real paying clients. If I lose money because the photos of your kids took me 20-30 minutes to download, I will be quite angry and likely to bill you for my time at my minimum hourly rate. Better yet, those photos and humorous programs you think everyone wants? Put them on a web site and give out the URL. Let folks browse it at THEIR convenience, not yours. Always ask first if the recipient wants to receive a "XXXkilobyte" file from you in "XYZ" format. If so, then send it along in the next message.

If you use a corporate or government email account, you are not paying for it out of your own pocket. Also, they likely are faster network speeds than the average home user. The file that you downloaded lickety-split onto your office computer may take your buddy, at home on his slower system, much longer to download. Most large corporate or government office systems run on high-speed networks that cost thousands of dollars a month just to access (not even operate). Chances are your friends don't have that high-speed transmission on their home systems.
c.
If you are sending someone a joke or something text-based, instead of sending it as a file attachment, copy and paste the contents right into the email. Don't bulk up the email transmission by sending it as a separate file attachment. As long as fonts and type styles are not critical, and only the content of the piece is of value, then paste it into the email message. Then you do not need a file translation for some odd word processor document that the sender used and the recipient may not have.

Remember: Not everyone in the world uses Windows or the Microsoft Office software. I don't. The majority of people employed in the graphic arts industry use Macintosh. If you send to someone who is involved in professional publishing, they are highly likely not using a PC. Many of us don't even use our best equipment for email. I use an older computer with a slower modem because it is a notebook and can go easily on the road with me. I don't use my faster system for simple email, I save that for Web use only. Don't bog me down with huge email messages or file attachments without asking first. Thanks.

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9.
DESCRIPTIVE SUBJECT LINE
Make the subject line of your email descriptive of the contents. If you have something you need help with, for example, it may read, "Q Help w/Quicken." (The Q is for Question or Query.) Or maybe, "Report on Polaski Account." Make the subject descriptive.

For example, if you send me a joke that has the subject line: "Humor," and I want to keep it for later, that subject means nothing to me as I look for it again. Do you realize how many joke emails are forwarded around the internet on a daily basis? Make the subject more descriptive, like: Cat Rules humor, or Microsoft buys Catholic Church humor, or 50 rules for men humor. Then, those of us who keep it, can better retrieve it later.

And no, please don't send me all your jokes. I probably already get them from someone else, plus I have some topics I enjoy and most I do not.

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10.
FORWARDING JOKES AND CHAINLETTERS
Do NOT forward those email chainletters around the internet. They clog up the internet and annoy people just like they do in normal mail. Even the good luck and guardian angel ones--annoying.

Remember, not everyone will think the joke you plan to forward is funny. And, chances are that your recipient got the same joke from two other people, especially if they are an online or computer professional. We get them by the ton. If you forward jokes, do so sparingly to folks you KNOW will appreciate them.

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11.
"Check this out" UNSOLICITED URLs
Don't send them to me. These "Check this out! URLs" are the sort of emails sent with a web address and a short sentence like "Check it out!" or "Thought you'd like this." Most online and computer professionals I know (including me) get annoyed at receiving these.

Here is what I do when I get these... Since there is no description in the email of _why_ I should take the time to visit that web URL, I am forced to delete your submission. As an Internet professional who gets many, many emails per day, I cannot possibly take the time to look at unsolicited sites when no valid reason is given.

I prefer that the message states why I should visit the site. Maybe because...
...it is pertaining to the business of my company
...it mentions my company by name
...it may be useful for an article I am working on
...it is a humorous subject that you know I may be interested in
or some other reason why I should take the time to visit this site.

To surf the web in my office, I need to switch from my normal email machine and transfer web URLs to that machine (taking time). Then to surf through the web takes time, not to mention the enormous screen draw time sucked up by most web sites these days. I can easily lose a half an hour by trying to get to one web URL.

You also need to understand that I am on the Internet all day, every day, as an Internet professional. Normally, I do not "surf" the web for entertainment or pleasure. I consider that a sort of busman's holiday, if you will.

(Please remember this netiquette as you send "check it out" web URLs to other people who use the Internet professionally.)

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12.
DON'T EXPOSE YOUR EMAIL ROUTING LIST
When you send or forward an email or some sort of joke that has many recipients, do NOT send it so that anyone reading the post can see all the other email addresses you sent it to.

Do not post all the email addresses in the "To" or "CC" header for just anyone to see. This is how SPAM email gets started. SPAM is the term used for unsolicited junk email -- just like junk mail in your house mailbox, nobody wants junk email.

You need to post multiple email addresses into the BCC (BLIND carbon copy) header (rather than "To"). This suppresses the list from view by everyone in the known universe. Otherwise, spam generators (human or automatic) can simply copy the whole list of email addresses to their own lists. I am sure that nobody on your mail list wishes to be added to yet another spam mail list.

It is extremely bad form to post everyone's email address on a header for everyone else to see. Make sure you "BCC" or "suppress" the list (whichever your email software supports). If you see no option to BCC or suppress the list, ask the tech support of your email software company how to do that. Check their web site for the information.

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About Email
I hope this page of rules and the additional netiquette pages help you get over the fear of being a new email user. Email is great. You can "talk" with friends and relatives often and do not have to wait to store up information to write at one sitting.
Also, since you are on a computer, email is the best, most effective way to communicate with the tech support people who make your computer and software. Look up their email address in your manuals. Contact them for support. You will likely get a better and faster answer by email (not to mention--free!).

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Here's a shortened checklist to remember, now that you have read the complete explanations:

Basic Netiquette "Rules" (summary)

1. ALL CAPS means shouting
2. Use underscores or asterisks for emphasizing words
3. Watch your tone -- it's written, not verbal communication
4. Check your spelling
5. Quote back only what is relevant
6. Use an automatic signature, especially if you are a business
7. Where are you located if requesting goods or services?
8. Don't send unsolicited file attachments
9. Use a descriptive Subject line
10. Only forward jokes and chainletters if you are SURE the recipient wants them (and hasn't already gotten a copy or three from someone else)
11. Don't send "Check This Out" Unsolicited URLs
12. Don't expose your email routing list to spammers
13. If you are on AOL, do not use the "Forward" command
14. Don't believe every cybermyth, urban legend, hoax or virus "alert" sent to you (verify it before believing or forwarding it to anyone else by visiting http://urbanlegends.about.com/culture/beliefs/urbanlegends/mbody.htm)

Or shall I continue? After all, the material I copy-patsed in the three examples was relevant to the discussion, right?

By all means...continue...it's a free interweb...

But doing something you just something you just complained about in order to attempt to make a point is rather childish ...dont you think?

BTW...I dont treat people as I wish to be treated....I treat people exactly as they treat me....

Some people tend to get a butthurt over that...*shrug*

Dont try and dish it out if you cant take it....

We had a couple really good conversations before you went into full moonbat mode and started insulting my intelligence and sanity as a debate tactic...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

"I treat people exactly as they treat me." Hopefully, you give measure for measure. If not, then expect an escalation of the rudeness. I find it rather hard to know when I have returned exactly what has been hurled at me across the ether. I guess I could "mirror" the insult (or information) sent my way along with my reply. That still might not allow information to pass back-and-forth. Of course, if I get "butthurt" I have to figure out who is thrusting with such vigor?

Old South End Broadway

It doesnt take a mind reader to understand what text means when it's posted to you...

I prefer open mockery to insults...insults are easy...good mocking at least requires a bit of thought...

So yeah...I read mikes first post and excuse me...but it's a big ole pile of butthurt...I wanted to hand him a virtual tissue..people are so mean on the interwebs...thus he's gets the butthurt form...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

...from. Was it the big load of "shit" that he supposedly dumped onto the site, or the thrust someone sent to his "virtual" backside?

Old South End Broadway

Did you even read the butthurt form?

I didnt make this up...it's an internet icon ..

http://therustynail.wordpress.com/butthurt-report-form/

If you'd like...I could try and fill it out for mike...but I dont know if he loses sleep over all the nasty and rude meanies on the interwebs...I'd have to say I doubt it though...

addendum:

Mike spent much of his post crying about how the big old meanies on the interwebs are mean to him...

Ok...reality check time....it's the internet...a GLOBAL internet.....only an idiot posts political opinions under his own name on a publicly accessible blog and expects to not get harrassed by crazies, malcontents, or people who simply flat out disagree......

I'm not excusing any harrassment...but c'mon...what did he expect?

He wants to play public figure, post a blog to show everyone how smart he is...then doesnt like the ying and yang that comes along with actually "being" a public figure...thus the butthurt.

His post a the bottom requesting the restoration of "ignore" function is a perfect illustration...he wants the ability to simply squelch that which he does not like...to ignore it...a one way conversation without the pesky trivialities of getting negative feedback.....

It isnt enough that he isnt forced in any way to read, respond or acknowedge such posts he wants them to disappear with a magic ignore button...

He also suggest the "community standards" crap which is nothing more than mob rule...

When in fact this website is a dictatorship....and I mean that this way...

Chris is the sole authority and as such he is free to boot any of us....set up his comments how ever he wants...restrict story posts etc...it's HIS house...

I came here cuz it's local and I like the format (except the lack of a post reply notifier)...

I dont care if dogboy posts his stuff from socialist websites...so long as I have the opportunity to respond...which I quite enjoy BTW...I wouldnt DREAM of putting him on ignore...

The only person here I would have even considered it for was david been nutzo...pure insanity is much harder to counter than plain old love for collectivism...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

...childish attempt at humor, or perhaps I should upgrade it to a juvenile attempt at humor. Since most of us like that thing occasionally, it was not too rough, but (to my mind) not well put together.

Old South End Broadway

heh heh ...

I wish I could take credit for it...it's litterally been posted damn near everywhere at one time or another as an image...finding the text version was a bitch...

And wasnt that one of mikes peeves...cut and paste?

Yes I think it was...

And it was no more or less childish than spamming the board with cut and paste just to make a point...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

impossible to stop copy and paste.

Not 100% sure on the prevention of YouTube videos. I kind of like them.

1. "Lurking" is not a bad thing. In fact it seems to be something you should do before you respond to a post. I have seen comments on other posts where "lurking" seemed to be equated with being a "bad person".

2. I have been a "troll". Lots of people seem to be "trolls". We all like to go be somewhat "over the top" occasionally. I guess we could have a permanent link to the "butthurt" form. There's got to be a better form than that, though, right?

Old South End Broadway

There you go...Build a better butthurt form...and the world will beat a path to your door......

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

...but one of my legs seems it is now longer than the other.

Old South End Broadway

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

How come the videos are all of white, blonde, Tiger Woods types? LOL

And I hope Tiger wins today.

Ah!

Must be a latent bias toward Nordic types. Perhaps I can add "closet Aryan Nations member" to the list of sobriquets that SB trolls have adorned me with.

any of these chicks get naked?

Come on...post some good stuff!

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

But if not, YouTube is just FILLED with cool Netiquette videos I can post that are relevant to the discussion (but which of course disrupt conversation, bog down the site, and waste the time of other members).

(Note to the clueless: I have no idea what is on the above videos or copy-pasta segments, not do I care. This was an illustrative exercise in site-hijacking and thread-disruption by a single poster, and the views above do not necessarily reflect my opinions).

Ah yes...run amuk as an example for others of what not to do......very mature of you....

But at least it's more entertaining than watching golf.

*snicker*

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

to start watching the Masters...

Thread-hijacker!

:-)

SlashDot has a pretty good system of rating a post either up or down and setting a filter to eliminate posts below a certain threshold. Something along that line might work here.

Prohibit embedded videos, etc. They add nothing and the same thing can be achieved with a link.

Put some kind of size restriction up that would discourage the cut and pasta users.

The objection, as I see it, is quality. Quantity is fine, as the board gets plenty of activity.

I'm out of ideas. In my own not so humble opinion the quality of SB has been headed into the storm drain for a long while, and it continues to travel in that direction.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

have been considering a ranking system where if something falls below a certain threshold it goes into moderation. e.g. 10 down votes it gets moderated, not 100% sure on the threshold.

Something to consider HistoryMike:

Either condensing your posts and or posting the links with a short summary. I for one skip past your lenghy posts...especially this one. Posting the actual words from an article doesn't mean people will read it any more than posting the link.

I think you would have more luck posting a teaser and then the link!!!

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

Uh, the above posts were supposed to represent what happens when someone hijacks the site with copy-paste BS. I do not normally engage in copy-pasta, especially extreme copy-pasta of the nonsensical sort above.

Yep the same kind of logic as peace protestors who riot...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Hopefully (although nowadays maybe highly unlikely) we don't need examples, either cut and paste or embedded idiot videos to know what the point is here. Chris needs intelligent suggestions to address this problem. We all know what it is. We aren't 6th graders. Maybe some of your students' papers need to be graded.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

If you look above I provided a lengthy list of suggestions. Do you have a list of suggestions, tombrown, or are you simply engaging in trollery? I answered your comment in good faith, taking it at face value, though not knowing you planned it as some lame setup.

Aw...need a tissue?...got a butthurt?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Guess you missed my suggestions Mike. They got kind of lost in the copy pasta irrelevant posts that followed. HINT: My post was the first. Just scroll down to the very end. So much for the "lame set up" and "trollery" huh??!.....LOL!

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.-Ben Franklin

Noted and apologies extended.

Your fixation on the physical status of the rectal regions of the other posters might be funny, Zeitgeist, if it were not for the fact that this meme was old by 2003. However, your repeated reference to this anal-related weirdness in this thread might be interprted as a sign of some interpersonal issues.

Just one person's opinion, of course. You certainly are free to post as much as you want about the body parts of other SB posters as you wish, at least so long as this is the norm for the site. However, for someone who mentioned the idea of developing standards of civility, your incessant obsession with my anus is indeed puzzling.

Yep...that's a butthurt...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Swampbubbles has pretty much because nothing more than one anti-union, anti-Toyota, anti-climate change and anti-Marcy thread after another. To each their own, but doesn’t offer much for me these days.

I learned some things about netiquette. I have never been much into that but I think it was worth the time. I spent maybe a total of three hours reading and writing. I was still able to eat my meals, get a walk in at Pearson Park, do some shopping, and watch some TV. I was not completely into it as I am some times. SensorG, the best thing is to respond when you have something to say. Otherwise, "lurk" to avoid "butthurt". Or repeat a mantra they might find attractive: I wanna kill, kill, kill .

Old South End Broadway

agree.......

You cant figure out how to post stuff all on your own?

I suppose you sit and complain about what's on TV because you cant reach the remote?

No?.

You could have posted a news story intsead of complaining about what's on the front page...

No one is stopping you....go for it...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

always change this sensor by posting topics you like to read.

Most times I'm in agreement with HistoryMike but on this one I side with the Zeitgeist. I think Toledo has enough limits put on Freedom of Speech in our local media and it would be a shame for SB to follow suit.

FYI- A while back I called WSPD on the Maggie Thurber show and added my opposing opinion to some decidedly extreme right wing rhetoric. Well their ensued a heated debate between the host and I that ended in I being disconnected (hung up on) while the host ranted on about how my views, in her opinion, were wrong. I find this disgusting that a radio station I've long listened to has turned into a extreme lunatic libertarian mouthpiece exclusionary of any civil discussion of opposing views. So in disgust I began to post on this site as I know my views would be freely heard. When I began posting I sensed the site was decidedly right wing leaning with a few progressives in the minority. I know much of what I've posted flies in the face of many on this site and WSPD posters as well. I think it healthy to show an opposing view no matter how it is perceived by others. Its a sign of the times where our country has been misled into the abyss and as more people are waking up to this fact we need a site where a healthy discussion of ALL sides can be heard whether you agree or not.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Im sitting here taking a break from doing some trend analysis for work, and I see a post entitled "Dont bother replying" that has more replys than I think Ive ever seen on SB!

after reading a couple I decided that I wouldnt read any more but that I might do just a touch of what I was doing for work out her on SB - the first part of trend analysis is data gathering. I'll do that and see if anyone else can spot anything of interest:

Name/#of posts (as of 04/12 18:56)
Tom Brown 5
Chris Meyers 3
Zeit 32
LCBM 1
History Mike 19
Madjack 3
Not Again 3
McCaskey 12
Thomas 4
Newman 1
Purehate 2
OSEB 10
Sensorg 1
Wolfpup 1

Whaddya think? any surprises?

I can only speak for me, but that was 18 more posts than I should have made.

(takes vow to swear off troll bait in future)

..have "touched" me.

Old South End Broadway

fill us in...what's the big 'trend analysis' here, Billy?

is reverse psychology. Maybe we need to put don't bother replying on many threads :)

HM and Chris
I posted this and did not even think there would be any responses! This was simply an observation on my part, and an accurate reflection of my personal POV. I was amazed at the number of replies, and also at what seems to be a consensus opinion by a majority of the persons who commented on this notion. SB really has been an interesting resource for gathering public opinion on local issues from diverse POVs. GCJ does exert more "control" over that site and is also interesting, but the unfettered nature of SB allows a different sort of expression. I am simply a little tired of viewing the same positions being expounded upon no matter what the thread, but again, that is my problem, and my choice as to what I view. Anyway, Chris, thanks for the forum.

...moves you.

Old South End Broadway

Not current events.
Not the jobless.
Not inflation.
Not the loss of your rights.
Not the out of control spending in Washington.
Not even the ongoing war in Afganistan

But what should we name this "Pit Bull" before he is killed?

I'm so glad we have a "warm and fuzzy" place to discuss what Toledoans think is important.

Don't blame me,
I didn't vote for a
socialist.

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