I Can't Take Any More of The Insanity of the Godless

I just read this article on WorldNet Daily. I am sickened. What's next America?
God, I am so thankful for the mercy you will provide to those who will come to you and repent. I pray for these people to have their spiritual blindness removed so they may repent someday and see your holy glory before it's too late.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=66060

Bestiality 'OK if animal approves'
Famous 'gay' activist claims Constitution deems sex with animals 'inalienable right'

Posted: June 02, 2008
10:23 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Editor's note: The subject material in the following story will be objectionable to some people.

Frank Kameny, a hero to the homosexual community who was integral in pressuring the American Psychiatric Association to reclassify same-sex activities as "normal," has written to a pro-family organization that he believes bestiality is fine, "as long as the animal doesn't mind."

In a weekend letter to Americans for Truth, an organization dedicated to revealing the truth about homosexuality, Kameny also said there is no such thing as "sexual perversion."

"Absolutely indisputably a central part of the very definition of Americanism is the guarantee, found in the Declaration of Independence, as not merely a Right, but as an Inalienable Right, of the 'Pursuit of Happiness,'" he wrote. "If something which someone arbitrarily defines as a 'sexual perversion' provides happiness for consenting adult participants, then its enjoyment is enshrined in basic Americanism.

"So: Let us have more and better enjoyment of more and better sexual perversions, by whatever definition, by more and more consenting adults. We will all be the better off thereby. And that will be Americanism in action," he said.

Kameny's letter to AFTAH was in response to the organization's earlier reporting on the sale of bestiality videos at the recent "International Mr. Leather" convention in Chicago.

Kameny, now 83, said, "Bestiality is not my thing … But it seems to be a harmless foible or idiosyncrasy of some people. So, as long as the animal doesn't mind (and the animal rarely does), I don't mind, and I don't see why anyone else should."

"We have many questions for Kameny, the first being: how exactly does an animal signal his or her 'consent' to have sex with a human?" Peter LaBarbera, chief of AFTAH, said.

It was just last year Kameny was honored by the Smithsonian for his pressuring psychiatrists to no longer count homosexuality and other alternatives sexual lifestyle choices as out of the ordinary.

His "Gay is Good" slogan and his 1965 protest signs are to be displayed at the National Museum of American History.

His letter continued: "If bestiality with consenting animals provides happiness to some people, let them pursue their happiness."

He wrote: " The First Amendment prohibits ANY law abridging freedom of speech and press. Therefore pornography is fully lawful and may not be limited or suppressed. Thus saith our Constitution. Anyone who does not choose to view some particular pornography has an absolute right not to view it. But there is NO valid right for such people even to attempt to limit or prevent its acquisition and viewing by those who do choose to view it. Such attempts represent moral fascism, the American Taliban, and Christianofascism in action. They must be resisted to the uttermost. That is the view of the National Consumers Association for the Advancement and Protection of Pornography, Inc., of which I am the founder and president."

In the National Museum of American History release announcing the acquisition of Kameny’s protest signs, Kameny opined:

"Nearly fifty years ago, the United States Government banned me from employment in public service because I am a homosexual. This archive is not simply my story; it also shows how gay and lesbian Americans have joined the American mainstream story of expanded civil liberties in the 20th century. Today, by accepting these papers, the nation preserves not only our history but marks how far gay and lesbian Americans have traveled on the road to civil equality."

Kameny escalating protests eventually led to the APA dropping the description of mental disorder for homosexuality in 1973.

LaBarbera told WND that the issue, however, is not just an individual's choices.

"We know that they're already attempting this idea of gay and lesbian history month," he said. "If that goes through, you're going to see Frank Kameny taught in gay and lesbian history month."

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Get up off your knees & go back & re-read the article. This man is using this (sex with animals) as simply an example about what the world sees as 'sexual perversions" (meaning, homosexuality - that has nothing to do with sex with animals - a bit of satire I think). His point I think, is that he's fighting against the world calling his homosexuality a 'perversion', and he's been fighting this fight for many years apparently. WHat he SAID was "Kameny, now 83, said, "Bestiality is not my thing … But it seems to be a harmless foible or idiosyncrasy of some people. So, as long as the animal doesn't mind (and the animal rarely does), I don't mind, and I don't see why anyone else should."
(I think he was being sarcastic about the animal sex - meaning, remove 'animal sex' & replace it with 'homosexuality' & that is the point he's trying to make.)

This is a comment by ONE individual, and it does not speak for the masses I'm sure. Also, the man in question is in his 80's - looks like he's just trying to make a point (badly). I wouldn't worry too much about the general population (if any) running to aid his 'cause' - most people are disqusted by the mere notion of sex with animals (near all), and I doubt very much this will get anywhere to the point of being called "legal". The Humane Society & PETA would be all over this with a quickness.

Having said that, I found your sanctimonious prayer for the saviour of the masses to be a bit repugnant & self-righteous. Can you be any more "Drama Queen" about this? (as you fall to your knees, hands in the air, crying 'woe is me!'). If prayer helps you cope, then I suggest that you pray on your own time, it's not your job to save the souls of others. No offense - I'm sure your intent was not to come off as self-righteous or the Prophet for all of us, but that is how it came off. Just a tad, 'holier-than-thou' - which I find a bit ironic that you seem to have no problems with this man's statement - "Nearly fifty years ago, the United States Government banned me from employment in public service because I am a homosexual. This archive is not simply my story; it also shows how gay and lesbian Americans have joined the American mainstream story of expanded civil liberties in the 20th century. Today, by accepting these papers, the nation preserves not only our history but marks how far gay and lesbian Americans have traveled on the road to civil equality."

Yes, I find the idea of sex with animals disqusting & offensive & abusive to animals - as I'm sure, most people would agree with. I'm not suggesting this man has a 'case' to make, and I can't believe he'd win it & make this a legal act. But me-thinks you are almost as disqusted at his homosexuality as you are about his comments about animal sex. Or, perhaps more. I have a feeling that you'd feel as much disqust for this man even if he wasn't advocationg sex with animals - just because he's gay. Even if he was religious & went to church every week.

If you ever have anything positive or inquisitive to say about Christianity, let me know.

1derfullymade - I did not slam Christianity. It may be how you took it, but it is not what I did. What I slammed, was that you read this article & made this huge, hysterical leap (and went to your knees to pray for the Godless masses) that presumed that this one old man's sarcastic satire piece spoke for enough people that it did bring you to your knees in hysterical prayer (it sounded pretty hysterical). That said, I do not slam Christianity any more than I'd slam Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. What I 'slam', is hypocracy, and how a percentage of the population can single out another percentage of the population in judgement, and in the same breath, speak of how they really do love that sinner, but hate the sin. Hypocritical. This old man used a poor example to make his point - an offensive example to the world in general. But perhaps that was he intended. Most of the world would find beastiality offensive. What HE found offensive, was that Christians found HIM & other homosexuals offensive. I think maybe he was simply pointing out the irony & hypocracy.. I'm sorry if I offended you - it was not my intention. I do think you overreacted a bit, and perhaps failed to see that he was being sarcastic or using satire. Let me ask you this, 1derfullymade - do you think it was right & fair that a person was denied employment because of his sexual orientation (that had nothing to do wtith his job)? That for decades, this is what this man lived? IF you see no problem with this, then you have bigger issues, and being a Christian has nothing to do with it. It's called homophobia. You can dress it up in the Bible all you want, but it's still being homophobic.

(Do you think that all those Popes of the old days that owned brothels & had homosexual sex went to hell? Do you think that Mother Teresa gave less care to those she knew were homosexuals? I bet she gave equal care to all. THAT is a good Christian. Those who stand in judgement of others do not sound like good Christians to me. That is not talking trash about Christianity - it is talking trash about judgemental homophobics.

... I do not slam Christianity any more than I'd slam Islam, Judaism, or any other religion. What I 'slam', is hypocracy, and how a percentage of the population can single out another percentage of the population in judgement, and in the same breath, speak of how they really do love that sinner, but hate the sin. Hypocritical.

You just passed judgment by calling me (if you think I'm in that percentage) of being a hypocrite.

Look, you took it the wrong way. The terrible way he was discriminated against for being a homosexual wasn't the point of the post. (I personally don't believe in discrimination in any manner (racial or sexual). Do I need to explain every detail about myself before I post? I don't think so. I don't need to justify or explain myself to you. Please stop assuming I'm some kind of gay-basher because I prayed that someday the worldly might see the Light. It's called praying out of love and concern, not condemnation. Get the chip off your shoulder because it's making you see things that aren't there.

If prayer helps you cope, then I suggest that you pray on your own time, it's not your job to save the souls of others.

No, it's not my job to save anyone's soul, but it is my job to pray for them and to love them. Pray on my own time? I'm sorry, I missed the sign where it said time spent on this blog belongs to you. Who do you think you are telling me when and where I can pray? Would you like to stop people from praying on public internet blogs now too? Or was I just assuming WAY too much about you based on one comment?
BTW= this is the NW Ohio EVANGELICAL group blog. If the administrator for this group is offended by my prayer I leave that judgment to him.

You don't understand how Christians see things since you aren't one. If you have a question about something I say that sounds outlandish or weird, then ask me. Please don't insult me by accusing me of being a hypocrite. I am following my faith and if you don't understand it, then ask questions first before firing.

This is from a pretty decent christian apologetics website:

Just because someone is a homosexual does not mean that we cannot love him (or her) or pray for him (her). Homosexuality is a sin and like any other sin, it needs to be dealt with in the only way possible. It needs to be laid at the cross, repented of, and never done again.
As a Christian, you should pray for the salvation of the homosexual the same you would any other person in sin. The homosexual is still made in the image of God -- even though he is in grave sin. Therefore, you should show him same dignity as anyone else you come in contact with. However, this does not mean that you are to approve of their sin. Don't compromise your witness for a socially acceptable opinion that is void of godliness.

this is the NW Ohio EVANGELICAL group blog ====== No, it is not. It is the main page for swampbubbles. While you can post comments on the NW Ohio evangelical group, this is not that.

"The terrible way he was discriminated against for being a homosexual wasn't the point of the post." -------------------- Sorry, I disagree. I think it was the main purpose of his post, that he was trying to make a point about extremes, to demonstrate the extremely horrible way he'd been treated.

You have no idea what I am, or am not (you said I wasn't Christian, but you don't know). I don't care that you pray - here, there on in a back alley. What I took issue with, was the self-righteous, preachy way your prayer came across. Perhaps I overreacted & "read" your intent wrong.

Starling02, this was posted under NW Ohio Evangelicals group - it's only showing on your main page because you joined the Group last year. At least that's what I think. ?

I'm truly sorry for coming off as self-righteous....that wasn't where I was with that, but since it appeared that way - it is my fault and I do owe an apology.

I'm also sorry for being so blunt by saying you're not a Christian.
I don't mean to argue. (I'm really not wishing to do that. Come to think of it, one of my biggest personal flaws is being argumentative - ask my parents, husband, boss, etc. LOL). Anyway, please let me explain though - I have read many of your postings here and on TT and they didn't express to me that you have had any teaching on the context of the bible. I also have read certain opinions you have on various issues that lead me to believe you didn't lean toward biblical beliefs. You have to admit, you've been pretty hard on a lot of any postings related to Christian beliefs, so I made a judgment call.

Please take this following comment in the most humble manner as it is intended - I urge you to find a bible in a version or translation that you like and study it (if you are interested) or drop in at various churches till you find one you like. I say this because I get the feeling that you are drawn to it (christianity). Maybe you have a lot of unanswered questions...I don't know....forgive me if I'm wrong (God knows I usually am) but it is my sincere desire not to offend - just to have a decent dialog.

I'm sorry. I think I got mad at you for pointing out my faults. I am known for not expressing myself very well. It must be the Adult ADD. :)

Peace & God Bless

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