Original posting by paulhem - BREAKING from The Blade
"A local attorney and former city council woman was reported missing by her husband late Wednesday night, police said. Karyn McConnell-Hancock, 35, who is six months pregnant, was last seen at her office on North Michigan St. about 9 a.m. "
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071206/NEWS03/71...
Anyone remember the last time she was in the news?
SwampBubbles news round up:
Updates 12/09:
COBB COUNTY, Ga. (FOX 5) – A pregnant Ohio woman who disappeared Wednesday was found safe Saturday morning in Metro Atlanta. The woman turned up in Cobb County near Six Flags amusement park saying she had been kidnapped. Hours later, her car was found within walking distance of the park.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5162597&ve...
Missing attorney case full of odd twists
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/stories/2007/12/08/kidnap_1209_web...
Ohio lawyer going home after abduction
While McConnell-Hancock returned to Ohio Saturday, her Chrysler 300 will remain in Georgia to undergo processing.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/12/09/ohio_lawyer_going_home_...
Attorney Reported Kidnapped, Flies Home
ATLANTA (AP) -- A pregnant Ohio attorney who was found in Georgia after she went missing for several days has flown back home to Ohio.
Karyn McConnell Hancock, 35, boarded a plane Saturday afternoon at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, said Sgt. Dana Pierce, a spokesman for the Cobb County police.
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=107732
Toledo lawyer says she was kidnapped
The FBI, which usually investigates kidnappings, especially those that cross state lines, has turned the investigation back over to Toledo police.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/NEWS03/712090...
On Good Morning America:
Karyn's husband said that it was related to the phone calls to Karyn and threatening phone calls to Karyn's dad. Said she was abducted at gunpoint.
12/10 Update
Family friend of McConnell-Hancock is one who found car in Atlanta
http://glasscityjungle.com/wordpress/?p=2292
It also was reported that Rev. Lawrence Hancock was not happy with the local media since he had asked them to leave and they did not, he stated that he would not be giving them the exclusive interview when Karyn did talk, that he would give it to CNN or BET since they had not followed his wishes.
Citing NBC 24's posting of the police report:
http://nbc24.com/uploadedFiles/wnwo/news/Stories/mcconnell.pdf
McConnell Hancock's car was discovered within walking distance from where she was found near here at Six Flags amusement park near Atlanta.
http://www.nbc24.com/News/news_story.aspx?id=74433
The man who reported seeing the car had been a groomsman at the Hancocks' wedding. Dejoun Windless grew up in the same South Haven neighborhood in Toledo as Lawrence Hancock.
On Saturday morning, while Ken English called 911, his cousin, Keith English, calmed her down. The Barnesville cousins, ironworkers for Superior Rigging, let her sit in the front passenger seat of their Ford Ranger until police and firefighters arrived.
She kept crying and wanted to call her family, said Keith English, 45.
"I said 'Look lady you are in good hands. It's all going to be alright, you're with us,' " he said.
http://www.ajc.com/northfulton/content/metro/cobb/stories/2007/12/09/kid...
McConnell Hancock, who is six months pregnant, appeared to be in good physical health, but remains shaken by the experience in which the abductors allegedly waved a gun in her face, her husband, Lawrence Hancock, bishop at the Final Harvest Church, told "GMA."
"She said that they did not really harm her," Hancock said. "She said they weren't really interested in her at all. They were just trying to make her suffer based on some case they believe my father-in-law before he became a judge had something to do with," he said.
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3976873
FBI, police seeking answers in kidnapping of local attorney
Toledo police and agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation have spent the afternoon interviewing a local attorney regarding her recent kidnapping report.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/NEWS03/71210034
Father of the Toledo lawyer thinks he was abductors' target
"I think she was not the target - I think I was," Toledo Municipal Court Judge C. Allen McConnell said. "I think it was over something that happened before I became a judge [eight years ago]."
The judge attributed his suspicion to "strange calls" he received during the last month, but said he had no idea who the callers were, or any details about the case that may have triggered an abduction.
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071210/NEWS03/712100348
Bishop Lawrence Hancock, Karyn's husband, said, "The gentleman actually showed her a pistol, so she went with him."
McConnell-Hancock says she was then blindfolded by two men and a woman and put in a white van. She says they stole her black Chrysler 300 car as well. Bishop Hancock believes the kidnappers just wanted to make her suffer, along with her father, who is a local judge.
http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=7474450
Court TV Discussion Board on the incident:
http://boards.courttv.com/showthread.php?threadid=320499
'm sure I'm missing a great deal (I sure hope so.) Since no one else will ask it, I will: how much of this story is affected because she's African-American and a woman? Has that meant better coverage or worse coverage? Why?
http://nobma.blogspot.com/2007/12/karyn-mcconnell-hancock-media-coverage...
New Carin' 4 Karyn Blog to bring kidnappers to justice
http://carin4karyn.blogspot.com/
Rewind: Runaway Bride Case
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Wilbanks
12/17 Update
Officials in Cobb County, Georgia have released the 9-1-1 tapes from the day Karyn was found.
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=5835321
this doesn't turn out as bad as it appears.
No, please enlighten...
just a link to an old thread on TT.
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:t0ZTA2CvP2gJ:www.toledotalk.com/cgi...
Not that that has anything to do with what's happening now. I hope they find her soon. My heart goes out to her family. They must be so worried.
Hiya "MickeyC"
Lawyer sued by ex-client who says she took his cash
Attorney Karyn McConnell Hancock was sued in Lucas County Common Pleas Court yesterday by a former client who claimed she negotiated a settlement for his car crash but never gave him the money.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071128/NEWS02/71...
I, also, pray for her safety and her family.
This seems kind of petty to be brought up today.
Why bring up the negative stuff right now.
I hope that she and her baby are alright and that she will be reunited with her family soon.
NT.
in threads that interest me or in which I respond.
Again, I just pray for her safe return.
her husband mentions in the story of her disappearance that she was being harassed by a former client, and was receiving strange calls.
I'm sure TPD is all over it.
I was replying to your post with the link to Toledo Talks that is over 2 year old.
My post got insert under Paul's.
the PP's question. THAT was the last time I remembered her in the news. I didn't even know she was being sued by someone else.
Yes, it would be pretty petty of me if I came on here and said "yeah, she's missing but you remember what she did, don't you?" Good Lord, I was answering a question.
I thought that some of this might jog someone's memory and, well, you never know...
Also, it does give you a little more context, as a news consumer... Well, I tried...
Keep checking the link. The Blade is updating this story with new information.
My heart goes out to her family. I hope that this story has a happy ending. She, her baby, and the rest of their family will be in my thoughts and prayers.
...I hope she's found safe and reunited with her family soon.
Let's hope everything is OK.
Let's hope her husband had nothing to do with her disappearance!
Is there something that brought that up or just speculation?
I suspect it was just brought up because in any missing persons case the spouse has to be considered, if for no other reason than to rule them out completely.
I've heard absolutely nothing that would even remotely indicate that the husband had any involvement, and frankly I would be extremely surprised to hear otherwise.
If foul play was involved, I think the angry client would probably be the best lead. (just my personal opinion)
I just hope it is a case of her becoming overwhelmed with everything, and deciding to be alone for awhile. Hopefully, she'll know how concerned everyone is about her and come home.
In today's story, which will be updated immediately if there are new developments, this seemd to jump out at me.
Josh Bey, who at one point during last night’s vigil got on his knees and prayed, said it’s important not to lose hope.
He said Ms. Hancock, whom he has known for several years through the church, is a strong woman with a “beautiful spirit.”
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/NEWS03/71...
Hopefully, the police will be able to find something on security cameras, I bet there are some around her offices or where she was parked. Maybe they will be able to see if she was alone when she left.
I too hope that she just needed to be alone and that she will contact someone in her family soon. The longer that she is missing though, the less likely that this is the case.
toledoblade.com update
The FBI confirmed this morning that they are assisting Toledo police in the search for Ms. Hancock. They were contacted yesterday, said Scott Wilson, spokesman with the FBI’s Cleveland office.
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071207/NEWS03/71...
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20071208%2FNEWS0...
The husband has now reported that there's some luggage gone missing along with one of his credit cards.
Very strange.
13 has been breaking in, latest said she was kidnapped by 3 people. Found west of Atlanta, I think. She flagged a motorist down.
She was unexpectedly kidnapped but took luggage and hubby's credit card?
She was kidnapped but told people she was going to a court date that was never scheduled?
Somethings not adding up.
Regarding the luggage...
The news article also said that none of her clothes or personal belongings were missing from the home. If you were packing a bag to leave voluntarily, seems like you would actually put something *in* the bag.
For all we know, the "missing" piece of luggage could have been loaned out to a friend or family member, and her husband just wasn't aware. I could easily see that happening in my household - I loan a piece of luggage to my sister and don't mention it to my husband. He'd never even notice it was "missing" unless he had a reason to go look for it...not like we keep tabs on our luggage until we have an immediate need to find/use it.
Guess more details will come out eventually and then we'll know the truth. But I think that there's still a feasible explanation for the luggage...especially given that there were no clothes or personal belongings gone along with it.
Either way, I'm sure her family is relieved that she and the baby are safe...regardless of why she was actually missing in the first place.
Its a good thing she's alright.
I wondered out loud to a friend who's in a position to know more of the scoop on this 'missing person', after I'd seen her photo flashed on the Nancy Grace show on Court TV last night. Something doesn't feel right to me - she claims 2 men & a woman abducted her, but she was able to take luggage & credit cards - then they wait till they all get to Atlanta to make her get out of the car (without taking her credit cards)? Motive? Why would anybody abuct a woman who is 6 months pregnant & transport her several states away & then let her go with no apparent reward or motive? There's more to this than meets the eye, is my guess. Anyway - my friend implied that this woman is being indicted for theft of money from a client (she is a lawyer). Makes me wonder if she just figured her ass was in a sling & she took off - and perhaps realized she won't get too far, and concocted this 'abduction' story. My wondering is just speculation of course - remains to be seen. But there's been several faked abductions in the last several years so it's not impossible to consider. When I first heard that this woman was missing, my first gut feeling was that something didn't feel right to me - no reason, just the gut feeling.
The Blade today says that she used her credit card about 15 hours before she was found (when her 'abductors' let her out & presumably stole her car). Curiouser & curiouser. So her abductors let her & the credit card go? This is sounding more & more to me like a woman who screwed up hugely, is indicted for theft of a serious amount of money (to say nothing of the possility of being disbarred over this theft) - knows her ass is in major trouble - and takes off, only to have second thoughts. She's a lawyer & knows full well she'd have a problem starting fresh - & concocts this abduction story. I also found it interesting that she said her abductors were 2 white men & a black woman. Interesting, simply because Judge Handwork told us in a Tort Law class (with much humor) about the BBHS that people blame crimes on (Black Bushy Haired Stranger). Being a lawyer, she knows this - and made the men white, and only the woman abductor black. Again, I am just thinking out loud - and if she was truely abducted, I apologise, and will feel horrible. There's just too many things here that don't add up or feel right.
If this kidnap story were the real case, wouldn't you think there'd be a flood of news articles with "be on the look out for Two white males described as... and a black woman described as..."
I'm with Starling - Thank God she's alright, and I'll apologize if I'm wrong, but - fishy, fishy, fishy...
Where's Paul Harvey when we need 'the rest of the story??'
"The FBI, which usually investigates kidnappings, especially those that cross state lines, has turned the investigation back over to Toledo police."
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071209/NEWS03/71...
I'm sorry - I erred - I said she used her credit card 15 hours before she was found - when it should have been, she used her credit card the night before she was found. At any rate - where's the motive? Car theft? Then why take a 6 month pregnant lady (and a lawyer, no less). To get a baby? She wasn't far enough along for the baby to stand a good chance of survival if they wanted to 'seize' the baby - It may have survived, but odds would be slimmer. I don't buy that at all. I'm guessing in addition to what I've guesses, is that she left her car where it'd be found, and found another means of transportation to get her to where she was found - thus, making it look like her car was stolen from her. Kidnappers & car thieves who let the victim go free & don't take her credit card with them, after they 'allowed' her to use it at an atm? Nah.
It does seem awfully strange that they kidnapped her, drove her to Georgia and then just changed their minds and let her go.
There's got to be a lot more to this story.
Finkbeiner is using this charade in an attempt to ingratiate himself to the black community. He must think they will forget how he did Perlean Griffin and vote for his fake, sorry ass in 2009. Fat chance.
I am sure people are afraid to voice their true opinions. There are far more questions then there have been answers. I have never known the FBI to turn a kidnapping over to the local authorities, especially when the local authorities are many, many miles away from the where the kidnapped victim was found.
Who processes the car for DNA, fingerprints, etc., the Toledo Police Department? If so who pays for them to go to Georgia?
While no one wants to be insensitive and everyone is relieved that the young mother is safe, I am sure that there are people who want to know all of the details.
It is very intriguing to me that the race of the three kidnappers was reported to be two white men and a black woman. Is there any other description?
In this post 911 society there is technology (cameras, cell phone tracing, etc.) that can bring this situation to closure for the public that wants to know.
Several times along the route to Georgia, they had to stop the car for gas and piss breaks. Surely the "victim" recalls the names of these stops, or their general locations, which would result in surveillance video at some of them. And wouldn't the FBI chase those down, rather than the TPD?
This story as it's developing smells like bullshit. If I'm wrong, I'd PAY someone to tell me how.
Tibbles covering right now. Tone is skeptical...tag line is "Was minister's wife abducted ?"
No comment from Lauer or Meredith.
Tsk, Tsk. Only in Toledo.
Many reports said the car was being examined by local law enforcement and/or FBI in Georgia...and the forensics will be turned over to TPD...
Thus far I don't see things as adding up.
However I've heard some scuttlebutt about cash advances and embezzlement as well but those are just rumors and I am treating them as such thus far.
One thing is for sure this story is at a very least interesting.
MikeyA
Now her daddy Da Judge is saying he thinks his daughter was kidnapped in retaliation to something he did before he was a judge - 8 years ago.
What, they took the better part of a decade to get their guts up??
It's called Cover Her Ass.
And, her judge daddy seems to suddenly remember something 8 years ago, & said he got some strange phone calls - but for the life of him, he didn't recognise the voice on the phone & can't remember what event it may have been, or who it involved. So he's saying somebody took his daughter when he himself was the targe, out of some revenge or payback that he seems to think has motivated this - but is clueless who'd want to seek revenge or a payback on him. It's convenient for her what her daddy remembers & doesn't remember. And if he can't remember, there's no way of figuring it out. And she was found only 1 1/2 miles away from her car - not too far for even a pregnant woman to walk (but she could have found other means). This all smells like a big old cover-up for a woman in trouble with the courts & financially - to say nothing of her embarrassment of it all - who maybe freaked out & ran away, only to have second thoughts & concocted this story. OR, perhaps she had this kidnapping story already planned before she left - who knows?
I also found it interesting why she described her abductors as 2 white men & 1 black woman. As I said in an earlier post -my first thought was, that it reminded me of what Judge Handwork had said in one of my classes (eons ago) - the common joke among police & lawyers alike, of the shady description of the BBHS (Black Bushy Haired Stranger) - or simply, the Bushy Haired Stranger. He said that was the description most often used when somebody was describing a fake criminal. Maybe she didn't want to make it look bad for blacks, and so made the 2 men white. But wanted it to look intimidating enough so she added the black woman.- Or, maybe (and this is a huge leap), she was hoping that everybody would believe (when they never find the abductors) that this black woman planned to seize her unborn child for herself (also black). Hard to say - I bet a shrink would have a field day with it though. More realistically, she probably made it up as she went along -lots of thinking time on that long drive to Atlanta.
It was my understanding that the FBI turned the case back to the local police because they don't really think it's a kidnapping - but they still have to treat (pretend) it as one. No idea though. I think if she staged this, the best thing she could do is just admit it, and apologise. They had a bit of sympathy to the Runaway Bride (oh, freaking boo-hoo). I think if she continues this charade & was not really kidnapped, she's going to end up looking very foolish, and making her judge daddy look foolish as well.
Ahh- Clarice. I knew you were out there. Love your perceptions. Keep on digging. More to come!
(takes bow)....(thanks)....What is disturbing to me if she did fake her abduction, is that diminishes future abduction reports. Since the Runaway Bride fiasco, it seems more & more people tend to wonder if other reported abductions are for real or not. And in the case of a true abduction, police apathy would be a sad thing. I know that most of the time when a spouse disappears, the police often work under the assumption that it's more a domestic case than a crime. I know when that girl reported the 'rape at UT ' that never happened (after the Runaway Bride incident), most everybody I know didn't believe her from the start, so I'm sure the cops had doubts as well. I would hope in any reported abduction, the police take them all seriously until proven otherwise - but there's been so many falsely reported crimes like this, I can see why they'd question them. I pity the genuinely abducted person who people assume is faking it.
...if WSPD's crack team of talk show hosts could get to the bottom of this debacle so we can put this whole mess to bed.
for all the links to the news stories.
I am surprised that 24 didn't block out the personal info from the police report. I know it is public record but most stations/news outlets don't put out phone numbers and stuff like that.
I'm sure there will be more info to come, thanks for keeping us up to date.
...now he's gushing blood so bad from falling on the sword. I wonder how this will affect his job?
I wonder how God is going to look at all these participants in this drama now? All those people posturing for face time on the teevee, praising her for the kind person that she is.
I don't think He thinks too kindly that a bishop kinda sorta LIED!
By the way, has anyone seen Carty near a church lately?
Another thing...
If it turns out that she faked the incident, it makes me angry to think about all the public money that was wasted searching for her. (Police and FBI resources, etc.) In addition, of course, to the fact that any faked abduction detracts attention/resources away from *real* missing persons cases.
Does anyone know if a person who pulls a stunt like that (alleged stunt, I should say) could be ordered to make restitution for the police and other expenses? I'm not familiar with that aspect of the law, but it seems like it would be a fair thing to request. (Of course in this case, if she did fake the abduction due to her financial woes, there probably wouldn't be any money to repay.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennifer_Wilbanks
I am waiting to with hold judgment, but I have my suspicions. I agree with the resources point.
I know if I get kidnapped over something my dad did 8 years ago, I just know my kidnappers are going to set me free near an amusement park and leave my car in a highly accessable area with the doors locked where a friend from my hometown can "accidently" find it, just to teach daddy a lesson.
Then have it "found" just as I'm lifting off the tarmac on the plane that's taking me away from the crime scene.
Has Grissom answered the BatSignal®?
with this story. I think the truth will shake out (hopefully) soon. It took a month before the runaway bride was charged. The family initially believed her. I am not saying it did not happen, but the family will be on her side regardless. It is a strange story that could have happened, but it does not look like it.
Let's hope that Toledo police will be transparent and will get the truth out there. I hope there is no attempt to cover anything up. It is serious if you are kidnapped or if you are alleged to be kidnapped. As Sarah said, there were tremendous resources spent looking for her.
For some reason, I am glad it is a national story because we should find out what really happened, you can't hide it. I know the Atlanta Journal Constitution keeps looking at it and they are not afraid to file public record requests. I took a quick look at what the Internet had and this story is everywhere.
There is one person who knows what happened for sure. Regardless, the person or people responsible for this will need to be accountable for their actions - either the kidnappers or Karyn.
To: BrianInVeroFL - The Fink attends so many church services during an election year that he takes the next three years off from attending churches. Why bother?
No one votes for mayor during those three years. His churchgoing ways will resurface in 2009. Bet.
Somebody asked if this was reported differently (better or worse) because she is black - I fail to see why that'd be relevant. It is getting stranger by the day, as brianinflorida pointed out. A friend from her hometown just happened to spot her car? And now, the abductors not only stole her & her car, they also had a white van. So they drove two vehicles to Atlanta? Pretty pricey - gas for two vehicles, and why would they do that? Motive for taking her car when they already had a van? And if she was really kidnapped at gun point, I'd think her first phone call would have been to 911, to call a cop. But maybe those two guys who consoled her had already done that. Another curiosity - she's a lawyer, and a lawyer without a cell phone is probably a rarity nowadays. She clearly had her purse (with credit cards) - so I wonder where her cell phone was? Is it possible to track people via their cells if the cell phone is dead? There's just too much that isn't adding up - it's nonsensical. They abduct her to make her suffer for payback to her dad 8 years ago before he was a judge (notice how quickly she grabbed onto the motive her dad tossed out?) - three people risk going to prison for kidnapping, gun specs, car theft, assault - just to make her suffer over something they're angry at her dad about 8 years earlier? But her dad can't imagine what or who it would be? At any rate - I'm sure the cops are checking her car for prints, etc.. I bet if they don't find fingerprints that connect to anybody outside of family, friends or co-workers, she'll say they wore gloves. Has she said who was driving her car & who was driving the van? Was it the two men with her in the car while the woman drove the van? Or, was it the woman & one man who drove her in the car while the other man drove the van? Or, the woman drove her in the car & the men drove the van? Was she blindfolded the entire time? If so, then the abductors must have been the ones to use her credit card at the atm, so they'd be able to lift prints off it, right? If it was her that used her credit card at the atm, then the blindfold was off, and she should be able to give a pretty good description. While I'm glad nobody died or got hurt in all of this, I just hope some innocent person doesnt end up getting dragged into it, based upon her descriptions & the need to save her own butt. If it's proven she faked this whole thing, then I think she should be made to pay the costs of the investigation, just like the Runaway Bride. And I think they need to get more serious in punishing false crime reports.
I also find it interesting that her dad wont' talk to the local media now, and will only talk to CNN - national news? Sounds to me like daddy is wanting to milk this for all it's worth - big time tv news coverage. He's beginning to sound like an attention whore.
this is sad that she was even elected in the first place, but I am glad the voters actually had the brains to get her out of office.
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Great questions and observations,02.
You'll fly to the top of your class at the academy if you choose LE for a career. Or are you already in LE ?
Unmask yourself, Clarice. Are you an investigator with a local P.D.?
Is going to report the kidnapping was a hoax, she recanted her story and the investgation is closed.
What the hell....
Time to march on city hall!!!
http://carin4karyn.blogspot.com/2007/12/my-heart-is-broken-i-just-found-...
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... What a hoot!
yet none of the media are reporting this "confession".
What, this town shut down at night?
man oh man oh man oh man....BET and CNN are gonna be pissed.
Will Carty be front row?
Will Dad shield her from what could be a giant shitstorm?
Will the prosecutor/TPD be strongarmed into not charging her?
Does Cobb County like it when pregnant women wander into their woods crying KIDNAPPED??
And what's up with the two white men thing? How did she make her wrists red? (her husband said he saw the marks from the abductors tying her up)
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Can someone also tell me that if she stole $10k from a client, why was she not charged criminally? Would that happen after a civil case? Most people I know would serve jail time for stealing $10k.
How tragic that she thought that this was her only option.
I'm sure that she will be held accountable and restitution will be made for most of the money the TPD and others spent on this case but the time involved will never be regained.
Right now, the media and the public should back off and let the family heal but I bet every station will have a reporter stalking the family for a comment. I really feel bad for the woman and hope that she gets the mental help that she needs.
Well atleast she admitted to lieing about the whole issue before the Reverend's Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson began to stir up riots about being abducted by "two white men." God knows they can't afford to like jackasses once more for questionable race-bating.
excellent point
Lee
Attorney, minister, judge -- what kind of family is this? Well, about the judge, he is a jackass from the word go. I personally know of a young lady whom he tried to ruin her life for a traffic offense just like his own daughter committed with no punishment (driving without a license). He sent this young woman to Work Release, which caused her to lose her job; then 30 days in Stryker (six months in all).. Of course, this young woman is not his daugher, not a lawyer; just a single working woman trying to maintain a home, pay her bills, and stay off of welfare. Why is it if you know the right people in the right places, our justice system changes color? The McConnels are disgusting and a bane to the community. And who can sit in church and listen to a minister who is a liar and who knows what else. And let's not forget the victim that didn't get paid the settlement this so-called attorney received supposedly on his behalf. Someone needs to demand that something is done in this case. So she's pregnant -- so what, she'll live.
This is the best commentary on the entire pathetic saga I've seen yet...
http://www.historymike.blogspot.com/
I think thats the worst commentary I've read on the "saga."
Really? Who are we to judge this woman or her family? Don't we all have family issues that we are fortunate enough NOT to have in the news? If all our skeletons were emptied out of our closets we would all bring shame on ourselves and families to some degree.
I think its shameful that so many people think they should even have a say in this. If History Mike's wife/daughter/sister had a meltdown and ran off...how would he feel about people writing open letters to them on their blogs?
Yes, she lied...she messed up. But, haven't we all? Its shameful that so many people seem to get satisfaction from seeing another human being go through difficult times.
Don't get me wrong...I like History Mike's blog and this one...but I don't think its right for anyone to comment on this situation other than providing encouragement for their family. Wouldn't the rest of you want the same if your family member messed up?
Finally, I think her husband handled the situation very well. Like any good husband should, he stood by his wife until all the facts came out.
I believe his thoughts on the issue, compared to others, including some on this site, are reasonable, balanced and sympathetic...to a point. I'd think you'd have a much stronger problem with some of the comments here.
I agree with you there McCaskey.
..people like you with your mentality.
That's it.
Coddle the poor baby and everything will be alright. I suppose that coddling being given to her her whole life isn't the cause of what has happened over these last five days?
Oh you all best quit cuz y'all got skeletons in yer closets. Whatever, fruit loop.
Bottom line is this. A women is in way way over her head financially, and given her luxurious accessories, car, home, and jewlery, just reinforces the hypothetical that by her staging this event, whether her husband called for Superman or not, she was always under the impression this too will be fixed by daddy, seeing she is the breadwinner in that family and her husband is a fraud.
I doubt she expected her hubby to cry out to the media to out her. But she knew her daddy would fall on the sword for her, and jeopardize his standing in the community so she can continue to live the self-entitled lifestyle she has become accustomed to.
Pretty simple.
Lee
Oh, I see. Seems like it depends on who you are and what you are in order to get sympathy in this town. Ms. McConnel-Hancock has done more than one wrong thing, with no consequences -- at least, not so far. Where does it stop? The young lady I know committed a wrong-doing just trying to get to work. The book and then some was thrown at her, where even correction officers couldn't understand why. Oh, I forgot she is not one of the elite. I do not change my opinion for someone who seemingly has no conscience as to how the effects of her actions will play out on other people.
...how someone with Karyn's credentials and standing in the community can get in trouble with the IRS for three years in a row with a total of over $97,000 owed and STILL ain't paid on it, several clients complaining that they aren't getting their settlements, and live in a overbuilt home and drive a kick ass Benz-o as well as a 300, wear the tailor-made wardrobe, and the gaudy jewlery. Not including the use of her father, a "prestegous Municipal Court Judge", when she screwed up.
To me it looks like someone in way over their head and so not deserving of sympathy.
Funny, usually on blogs I don'tcoddle peopleand I get called a bigot. Now, I coddle and I'm called a fruitloop. Just more proof blogs are stupid.
What do you mean when you say, "Oh you all best quit cuz y'all got skeletons in yer closets." Are you asssuming I'm African-American by speaking like that? How racist.
People all over this country are in financial debt because they over spend...so what are you going to do...condemn half the population of the U.S?
Finally, people like me? You mean not injecting negativity toward a already negative situation thats none of my business anyway? Having compassion for people going through a tough time?
You are obtuse Sir... "Or as Mama done told me on the plantation when I was churnin' butter for masta" You an asshole.
Just what I have always said... don't trust anyone with a hyphenated name. Actually, this is hilarious! I have to laugh to think of all the emotional energy that went into this situation by all the people in this town. If we could harness it, ToledoEdison would go broke.
no dude, I'm from the North End and that's how I spoke when I was addressin a moron, Kooz. Has nothing to do with you being black. Is everything slang a racist comment anymore? Kiss my politically correctless ass. I'll freaking speak anyway I want, and if you can't deal with it, too bad. You pay my bills and taxes you tell me how to act. until then, avoid my posts.
Kooz, hardtime? Karyn? You're freaking kidding me. Again I mention the man who has to live paycheck to paycheck and having to steal to feed his family. I really seriously doubt Karyn ever went without a meal, let alone anything else she wanted.
Mind my own business? Musta got past ya that this here is a national story, and a huge thank you to her hubby and daddy for that. Decisions made on THEIR PART, no influence from me.
Karyn made an adult decision and it's time that she pays the adult price for screwing up a lot of people's lives for her selfish act.
If she was so worried about being the center of all this drama, she should have paid her bills and lived within her means. But because she is greedy, this is the price you pay.
You get authentic compassion from me for a deserving situation, not for a thief.
no dude, I'm from the North End and that's how I spoke when I was addressin a moron, Kooz. Has nothing to do with you being black. Is everything slang a racist comment anymore? Kiss my politically correctless ass. I'll freaking speak anyway I want, and if you can't deal with it, too bad. You pay my bills and taxes you tell me how to act. until then, avoid my posts.
Kooz, hardtime? Karyn? You're freaking kidding me. Again I mention the man who has to live paycheck to paycheck and having to steal (edit: FOOD) to feed his family. I really seriously doubt Karyn ever went without a meal, let alone anything else she wanted.
Mind my own business? Musta got past ya that this here is a national story, and a huge thank you to her hubby and daddy for that. Decisions made on THEIR PART, no influence from me.
Karyn made an adult decision and it's time that she pays the adult price for screwing up a lot of people's lives for her selfish act.
If she was so worried about being the center of all this drama, she should have paid her bills and lived within her means. But because she is greedy, this is the price you pay.
You get authentic compassion from me for a deserving situation, not for a thief.
no dude, I'm from the North End and that's how I spoke when I was addressin a moron, Kooz. Has nothing to do with you being black. Is everything slang a racist comment anymore? Kiss my politically correctless ass. I'll freaking speak anyway I want, and if you can't deal with it, too bad. You pay my bills and taxes you tell me how to act. until then, avoid my posts.
Kooz, hardtime? Karyn? You're freaking kidding me. Again I mention the man who has to live paycheck to paycheck and having to steal (edit: FOOD) to feed his family. I really seriously doubt Karyn ever went without a meal, let alone anything else she wanted.
Mind my own business? Musta got past ya that this here is a national story, and a huge thank you to her hubby and daddy for that. Decisions made on THEIR PART, no influence from me.
Karyn made an adult decision and it's time that she pays the adult price for screwing up a lot of people's lives for her selfish act.
If she was so worried about being the center of all this drama, she should have paid her bills and lived within her means. But because she is greedy, this is the price you pay.
You get authentic compassion from me for a deserving situation, not for a thief.
no dude, I'm from the North End and that's how I spoke when I was addressin a moron, Kooz. Has nothing to do with you being black. Is everything slang a racist comment anymore? Kiss my politically correctless ass. I'll freaking speak anyway I want, and if you can't deal with it, too bad. You pay my bills and taxes you tell me how to act. until then, avoid my posts.
Kooz, hardtime? Karyn? You're freaking kidding me. Again I mention the man who has to live paycheck to paycheck and having to steal (edit: FOOD) to feed his family. I really seriously doubt Karyn ever went without a meal, let alone anything else she wanted.
Mind my own business? Musta got past ya that this here is a national story, and a huge thank you to her hubby and daddy for that. Decisions made on THEIR PART, no influence from me.
Karyn made an adult decision and it's time that she pays the adult price for screwing up a lot of people's lives for her selfish act.
If she was so worried about being the center of all this drama, she should have paid her bills and lived within her means. But because she is greedy, this is the price you pay.
You get authentic compassion from me for a deserving situation, not for a thief.
... that HistoryMike penned his own letter to this bitch on his blog, and so it's time for me to do the same:
"Dear Bitch:
Thanks, for yet another clown (i.e. YOU) putting Toledo on the national news for yet another shameful episode of bald-faced lies and nuttiness. Try to get yourself abducted FOR REAL next time, Karyn.
Sincerely, GuestZero."
I don't know, but people in this kind of squirrely position are usually so screwed up that they end up having to compensate for one shameful episode with even MORE shameful events. When you live in a powerful family, you are fairly well insulated from realistic consequences in the first place, which just lead to these sort of otherwise unbelievable circumstances.
Without evidence, I'm guessing -- fuck, I'm BETTING -- that she went down to Georgia to have an affair, and it went bad, so she had to cover it all up somehow. That's about the speed of how these types of people operate.
With a few more of these folks in positions of influence, we might as well just elect Opal for mayor next time. Why not? Let's go FULL INSANE for that touch of honesty.
It's getting old, having every little comment turned into a racial thing. This has nothing at all to do with race (and kooz, where's your outrage that Karyn implicated 2 white men & a black woman?). I"m also weary of hearing how people hope poor Karyn gets the mental help she needs. I am sick to death of people's bad behaviour & poor decisions being blamed on 'mental health'. Yes, I'm sure that stress is what motivated her actions, but I think it's more that she freaked that she was seriusly in trouble with the law, the irs, seriously in debt, & the possibity of being disbarred that finally came to haunt her. Yes, we all have skeletons in our closets - but most people do not fake kidnappings, or steal thousands of dollars from people who were entrusted to us, or keep living an over-the-top expensive life knowing the financial wolves are at our door, or commit acts that we know will cause irreparable damage to our parents & spouses reputations & careers just to save our sorry behinds. I have tried to imagine how I'd react in her situation - and honestly, there'd never be one moment I'd ever consider faking my own kidnapping & embarrassing my family that way. (She also did not bother to pick up her 3 year old child at day care the day she split - day care called her husband because nobody came to pick the child up - that she neglected her child speaks volumes to me.) But I digress - yes, we have skeletons. However - I think there's an important facts n this case that makes it a bit different than the average person. There are 3 people involved with this (Karyn, her judge daddy & her 'bishop' husband - what on earth makes him a 'bishop'?) who, by their very title's & professions, are in positions that invite trust, if you will.
1. Her father is a judge, who with a slam of his gavel can change a life forever - and we are supposed to presume that a judge will speak the truth & uphold the law. Yes, a father will try to protect his child, but he could have been supportive without fabricating stories about an 8 yr old vendetta against him that he has no memory of. If he's ever up for re-election, I"d never vote for him based upon his behavior in this alone.
2. Her husband - He also could have shown support without fabricating lies. I read that she'd made 2 phone calls to him, so he had to have had some idea she wasn't abducted - he also knew about her irs woes & liens, her debts, & the lawsuit (and her fancy pants lifestyle & cars). He stood alongside his congregation in prayer for her safe return. A man of God who lies to cover his wife's behind? (I am not a believer, but it's stuff like this that convinces me more & more what a hoax it all is). And his lies went pretty far - to where he saw marks on his wife's wrists? I kept thinking, what if she gave a description, and 3 innocent people had been picked up for questioning? Even if they couldn't pin a crime on them - it'd still be time out of their lives & fear in their hearts. There's a lot of people doing prison time over false witness reports. But he'll probably regain faith from his congregation by apologising & asking them to pray for him & his wife.
3. Karyn - People should be able to trust their attorney - and she's clearly shown she can't be trusted. She's supposed to be trusted to advise people, but she couldn't handle her own life messes. In the Canons of Law (Ethics) , it is illegal to take money from clients wrongly - I think it's grounds for disbarment. As a lawyer, she knows full well how serious filing a false crime report is, and how far reaching it's consequences would be. She had to know how damaging it'd be to her husband & father.
Yes, we've all screwed up, and it's easy to play armchair quarterback here. We've all probably had frightening financial times in our lives - even to the point of wanting to hide. I remember well, such a time in my life - suicidal over the financial mess I'd made, convinced I'd mucked things up for my hard working husband, etc. But It'd never enter my mind to do what Karyn did, to drag innocent people down with me - family no less. Even at my lowest, I knew damned well, that I was the one to blame for the messes - and I sure didn't go out & keep spending & buying expensive cars, etc. I'm still not sure if Karyn took off our of panic & stress, or if she was planning to just never come back again. As a lawyer, she'd know how to do that. But if she's a good lawyer at all, she'd know that the police aren't stupid. All of this leads me to think she's not a very good lawyer at all, I certainly would never retain her. This just feels more & more like a privilaged woman who's grown up used to having her daddy fix things for her. And it makes me more disillusioned about the people we trust in the court system. It makes me more disqusted with 'churches' that have preachers who live in a high degree of wealth, but attempt to council the masses about things they've never had to deal with. (and there's a lot of white preachers more guilty of this, so don't throw the racial 'thang' out).
I guess I"ll reserve my opinion on all of this until I see how they handle it now. Will she have to pay the costs of investigating this 'crime'? Will she be charged with the crime of reporting a fake crime? Will her & her husband downsize their lifestyle to make financial amends?
I was thinking about this case today, reading these sympathetic posts and it made me wonder. If this was a guy who was wrapped up in taking money from a client, in major financial trouble- who took off for greener pastures, would we be saying "oh, poor Steve, he had a meltdown, he just couldn't take it". NO. absolutely not. I believe the tone of this thread would be much tougher on a man for doing the same thing.
One more thing---I asked a question up above- does anyone know why she hasn't had criminal charges brought against her for the $10k stolen? I am guessing because the client had not filed a police report. Is it common for that to happen *after* a civil case? Or is it possible she could totally avoid criminal charges over that? (I realize she could lose her law license though).
brought in such instances in order to recoup the money and damages. Criminal charges might include restitution of the original amount of money claimed to be stolen, but that's all - no damages. So, since the man is seeking I think about $50,000, he wouldn't get that in a criminal charge. The presence of a civil suit doesn't prevent the bringing of criminal charges...though, in some cases, civil suits are delayed for the outcome of a related criminal case.
KMH has been accused of (allegedly) negotiating a settlement from the insurance company, then forging the man's name and keeping the cash, all without the victim's knowledge.
Aside from the forgery and keeping the cash, what if this man - if he'd have been kept informed of the negotiations would NOT have wanted to settle for $10K. What if he felt his damages were worth say, 10 times that amount and was willing to fight for it.
If the accusations are true, could KMH's (alleged) actions negate this man from getting what he might really deserve?
...that'd be a question for an attorney...
gotoledogo- there was a similar case years back, when the son of the owners of Carmels' Mexican Restaurant faked his own kidnapping & demanded ransom - in the hopes his parents would pay the ransom. I don't recall what punishment he got from the courts, but I know his parents were very forgiving, and if I recall, he was back to work at Carmels shortly after. I can understand how a parent could forgive their child most anything, out of love. I could never understand how somebody could pull something like that, knowing the fear & heartache it'd cause their parents, and eventual embarrassment - all for money. I think people felt more sorry for Karyn because she was pregnant & a woman, and misguided. Pregnant is not disabled. And any mother who could leave her 3 year old child in day care - to not pick that child up or at least make arrangments for somebody else to do so, is pretty close to being an unfit mother to me. Just imagining the sad faces on my kids when they were 3 years old - seeing other parents coming for their kids, and mom just doesn't show up for them, then the day care people having to call their dad to come for them - kids are not stupid. Kids are highly perceptive, even at 3 years old. There is nothing short of a car wreck or death that would make me not pick my child up - I couldn't handle the guilt. At the minimum, she should have made other arrangements. You do not do that to a child - ever. So much for sympathy because of female & pregnant.
I am more & more convinced that her husband & father knew she was not really abducted, long before she admitted it. Which only makes them look worse. The husband saw marks on her wrists where she was tied up? Her dad suddenly remembers somebody angry at him 8 years ago & funny phone calls but no idea who or what? And suddenly, Karyn chimes in along those very lines about how she now believes the abductors were after her dad & not her for that reason? Sounds to me like there was some discussion on working out the details betweem all of them. And her husband's rants about how the media won't leave them alone (before she was found) & how he declared he'd only discuss this with BET & CNN (both national, I think - the 'big time'). Makes him look like a media whore. Isn't there a law against aiding in the perpetuation of a crime? Was there really an old friend who just happened to spot Karyn's car? And if so, will he be charged with aiding a criminal act? (Isn't it a crime to report a fake crime?) Will any of these people actually be charged over this? Or, will it all fade away or be brushed under the rug because they have legal connections other people do not?
I think Michael's article on his blog was excellent.