Republican so-called health care "PLAN" -- Rich people win "bigly!"

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The Republican Party has had at least 6 years to devise a national health care plan. It seems that they were certain that they would not win the Elections of 2016, because the plan they presented seems thrown together at the last minute. If they had been planning to have an electoral victory, they would have had a defensible plan ready in early January!

Basically, from the reports and the first available information, Republican leaders want to return America to the bad old days. Their so-called plan would provide for access only. The working poor would return to the days of no health care insurance unless they could afford to pay for it. If this plan is passed in a form even close to the current proposal, millions of Americans who now have health insurance under the Affordable Care Act will lose that coverage. Millions of Americans will be sicker. Many will lose their lives because of inadequate health care. But rich folks will receive a heavy tax rebate or avoid paying a LOT of taxes, and rich people will get the high quality health care all Americans deserve.

IMHO, there are two lessons here.
One -- The Republican Party continues to be the political party dominated by the super-rich, which includes Lyin' Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like. Wise up folks!
Two -- It is MUCH easier to snipe at political leaders from the sidelines as the party NOT in power, than it is to actually govern.

Remember, Obamacare was developed from Romneycare, the health care package that worked so well in Massachusetts under Governor Romney! It is, basically, a Republican plan!

No votes yet

No surprise there.

Hope I didn't offend anyone!

And Trump should not sign any "Boondoggle Part 2" bill that Congress comes up with right now, just to try to fake keep a campaign promise..

My problem with liberals vis a vis Obama is that the average-citizen libs like yourself could never admit that Boondoggle Part 1 (Obama's) was intended to be a gift to the Insurance giants. Obama-care has been sinking of its own weight badly - as documented in Wall Street Journal, Detroit News, you name the publication.

Because Obama iS one of the elites. He's a George Soros puppet, among other things. HE, not conservatives, introduced the idea of DESTROYING PERFECTLY GOOD VEHICLES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE POOR OF THIS COUNTRY, whilst giving $4,000 apiece to people who could afford brand new cars. Obama did little to nothing to aid the poor in 8 years. Name one thing - one legitimate, verifiable thing, that he did that helped poor Americans.

When you heard Bobo go after Christians in this country, saying they should put down their guns and Bibles - one of the most INSANE statements I have ever heard any politician make -- that should have chilled you to the bone, considering that you claim to be against religious persecution. WHO DOES THIS DISGUSTING KNOW-NOTHING THINK HE IS OR WAS - telling ANY religious group to abandon their holy writ? In this case the combination Hebrew / Christian Word of God? And who did he think he was in making a goofball statement that, in effect accused Bible-believing Christians of being dangerous gun owners.... who must obey any stupid godless pronouncement he decided to make up??

This ELITIST made this country as dangerous as it has ever been, in a hundred different ways. I notice, for instance, that "All the Media's Twinkies" (as I call them), have never asked Bobo WHY, when the Russians WARNED his administration about the Tsarnaev brothers in advance, the Obama administration dismissed the warning. Resulting in the terrible devastation and loss of life in Boston. But no, in 8 years, "All the Media's Twinkies" (like Norah O'Donnell, for example) avoided asking OBAMA ANY hard questions about anything.

BO's record is one of arrogant disregard for the taxpayers of this country. And because he is 50% African American, he got away with it - on the surface, and for 8 years. It will take at least 8 years to fix half the damage this demagogue has done.

No surprise there, of course.

To keep on topic, the Affordable Care Act was and is a "boondoggle" for the giant health insurance companies for one very good reason. When the Clinton Administration tried to pass a true national health care program in the 1990s, the health insurance companies killed it! They did so mostly with conservatives that you support, FG, along with any liberals that could be coerced with their millions of dollars in offers of campaign funding.
Since the Democrats got obliterated in the 1994 election cycle, and failing to get millions of Americans to have health care coverage was a main reason why voters turned against Democrats, Obama knew that getting a true national health care bill passed through Congress was an impossibility. So, he adapted the Romneycare model -- A REPUBLICAN MODEL -- from the Massachusetts health care program which enrolled thousands of previously uninsured citizens, and gave in to the Health insurance companies -- a prototypical conservative solution -- feed the pigs!! Keep in mind, every other industrialized nation IN THE WORLD has true national health care!!

Now, Republican leaders oppose the ACA. Why? Because it was adapted by a Democratic POTUS, that's why. Obama offered to negotiate changes in the ACA to make it work better. Republicans in Congress would not hear of that! They couldn't care less about the millions who are now covered by health care insurance, and who did not have insurance before the ACA. They only care about the super-rich who fund their campaigns, and give them cushy, high-paying jobs when they leave government service! We must pose the question: Why does the AMA oppose the Republican so-called plan? Why does the AHA also oppose the Republican so-called plan? Could it be that physicians and hospitals actually care more about the overall health of Americans than do Republican politicians? Maybe.

And, now, Republicans are led by a serial marrying, misogynistic, xenophobic, religious hypocrite and billionaire! Seems fitting for the self-proclaimed "Family Values Party" -- right?

This is fun to read by a guy who resides in Sylvania cashes a monthly retirement check after sucking on the public tit for a career, has excellent health care, and does not have to worry about where the next meal will come from. Bloomin' hypocrite.

The implication by you is crystal clear. You are trying to equate common public service figures with those who are worth hundreds of millions or billions of dollars. Prototypical, conservative diversion. It is an excellent debate strategy, CTR.
We have lived in the same house for 43 years! We only own one house. I drive a 2008 auto. My wife drives a 2012 minivan. We got that one to replace the 1999 vehicle that was totaled when another driver blew through a stop sign in late 2011.
As I have stated numerous times right here in the Swamp, I was in private business for 15 years before I became a school teacher. I worked for a total of 50 years before I retired. My net worth is a fraction of that of Willard. Yet, in the one year of HIS tax returns he would make public, my wife and I paid a higher percentage of our income in Federal taxes than did Willard and his wife. (I won't even try to compare to Lyin' Don. We have no idea how great his wealth is, or if he is even net to the positive in overall wealth! Right, Donnahoney?)

As far as my feelings are concerned, it's called "empathy." Are you even familiar with this word? The short definition is: "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another."
I care about others who are less fortunate than I am. Republican politicians care only about others who can give them millions of dollars in campaign contributions. If you like supporting and voting for billionaires, go right ahead.
It just seems to be common sense to vote for those who have more "empathy" for THE MILLIONS who will have NO HEALTH INSURANCE AT ALL, if the current Republican so-called plan becomes law, than for the handful of the super-rich who will get a windfall at the expense of the (mostly) working poor. It seems to be common sense to save the lives of those among the working poor who will die because they will have NO HEALTH INSURANCE AT ALL under the so-called Republican plan, while the super-rich are being ferried around in their stretch limos and/or on their yachts while they spend their extra money on a Mediterranean cruise!
My choice is to help the working poor. The current conservative choice (and yours CTR) is to help the super-rich -- "bigly!"

Don't you think we all are hypocrites to some degree in one way or another?

Hope I didn't offend anyone!

Here is an article about one supporter of Lyin' Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like. Here's a link to the article: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-supporters-in-the-heartland...
This actual situation exists for Janice Phelps, a Trump/Pence voter from Indiana, a state where Mike Pence, as Governor, took advantage of the Federal expansion of Medicaid, as part of the Affordable Care Act, so her outrageous medical bills would be covered, and she would continue to live. "Each month, shots for her severe asthma cost $3,000. Quarterly injections for knee pain cost $3,200. Medication for depression costs $900. She has had seven back surgeries, two shoulder surgeries, and two knee surgeries since 1985. The largest public health programs in America – Medicaid and Medicare, which aid the poor and the elderly [and the disabled] – paid for nearly all of it. Stated Janice, 'I’m all in favor of repealing it,' she said about Republicans’ push to do away with the Affordable Care Act, popularly known as Obamacare. But, she said when you talk about cutting Medicaid: 'I don’t agree with that at all.'”
She continued, "For Medicaid to say, ‘We’re going to spend X amount of dollars on you, and that’s all we’re going to spend’ – we’re supposed to just roll over and die because we can’t pay it ourselves?”
This is the type of "buyers' remorse" to which I have referred in the past. Many, perhaps millions, of those who voted for Republicans in November did not realize the full impact of the benefits to working people which the Republican politicians are willing to unravel. Hey, if some of these common folks have to die because of cutbacks in the ACA, Republican politicians are willing for THEM to make that sacrifice. After all, more early deaths will help keep Social Security solvent for a few more years, too. Right?!

opposition. And the pressure is coming mostly from the most conservative Republicans! Conservative Republican Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas is leading the charge. Many conservatives are complaining about the House Republican leaders "...rushing through what amounts to Obamacare 2.0." http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/09/sen-tom-cotton-to-hou...
Hmmm...

Here's what Lyin' Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like, stated during the campaign: "I am going to take care of everybody. I don’t care if it costs me votes or not … The government is going to pay for it, but we are going to save so much on the other side.”
And, this is what his Secretary of Health and Human Services said this weekend: “So the plan in its entirety is the one that the president has assured the American people every single American will have ACCESS [emphasis added] to affordable coverage that works for them, not for government, and that's what we have in mind.”

In other words, Republican politicians are going to return us to the bad old days before the Affordable Care Act was passed. All Americans have ALWAYS had ACCESS to health care...IF THEY COULD AFFORD IT!! The key word in Secretary's Price's quote is "affordable." (kind of ironic, huh?) To the Michelin Man and his super-rich cohorts, "affordable" health care has ALWAYS been there, because they're SUPER-RICH!! But, us common folks know that, in order to "afford" health care in the bad old days, and in the Republican-orchestrated future, we'll have to give up a LOT more than a cell phone.
But, hey. It's OK. The super-rich will also get a nice healthy [pun intended] tax cut, too. So everything's good, for Republican office-holders that is, and the super-rich who fund their campaigns and shmooze with the billionaire POTUS and his billionaire cabinet members!

Dale, what exactly about Obama care are people so pissed off about? Who are these people? Small business owners? People with no insurance? People with insurance who don't want to pay for people with no insurance? The only thing I ever hear about Obama care is the premiums going up but with Thump care 24 million will lose their insurance. Whats up with dat?

Hope I didn't offend anyone!

you like better, Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act, most Americans choose the Affordable Care Act. Most of them have no idea that they are the same thing!

The Affordable Care Act is not the best health care plan possible. It is a Republican idea. It is, in fact, a form of Romneycare. It was started in Massachusetts as a statewide plan, and was one reason Willard was so popular in a strongly Democratic state. The premise is NOT to make a government program, but to allow private health insurance companies to insure citizens, and poorer citizens get government subsidies so that they can afford the private health insurance. The ACA also has minimum requirements for coverage, such as covering young adult children, and maternity care.
Remember, every other industrialized nation IN THE WORLD has true national health care. But, the insurance companies blew up that plan when the Clintons pushed it in the 1990s. Obama learned from this. So, he took a Republican idea from Romney and Massachusetts, and adapted it to the entire country. And, yes, most people do like the Affordable Care Act with all of its flaws.
And, yes, even though the Republicans vowed that they would repeal and replace the ACA as one of their first acts if they actually won elections in 2016, they were so unprepared with a workable plan of their own, that they have now failed to even bring a plan to a vote in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives. Remember, this bill could pass with not one Democrat voting for it. NOT ONE! And Lyin; Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like, is trying to blame Democrats for its failure. In his own words, about a week before the election: "When we win on November 8th and elect a Republican Congress, we will be able to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare -- have to do it," said Trump, who also added, "Obamacare has to be replaced and we will do it and we will do it very, very quickly."
Lyin' Don lying again! So much for Lyin' Don's deal-making skills. What a joke!!!

It was funny. I watched Thump yesterday kept blaming the Democrats for not voting on it over and over again but said nothing about the 25-30 republicans that were not going to vote on it either. Thump promised the world to get elected but is not accomplishing anything. I wonder if all those middle to low class people who voted for him feel like suckers yet?
A moron called up the Scoot Sloan show yesterday and said that Thump already accomplished more than Obama did in eight years. When Sloan asked him to name one he could not and changed the subject. A lot people who hated or hates Obama care appears to feel that way because a black man was behind it. The Repubs played this to the hilt, racist bastards.
The Repubs are in a tricky situation now. They control everything. Trying to find a way to throw more money towards the wealthy while screwing the middle class and poor and still get votes in the mid term elections is going to be tough.
That 2005 tax return that Thump leaked out was probably the last year he paid any taxes.
The Thump administration must go by the George Constanza philosophy, " its not a lie if you think its true". what a bunch of loads.

Hope I didn't offend anyone!

Bill Maher said it best. Thump is nothing but a "Con Man".

Hope I didn't offend anyone!

Republican leaders. They had 7 years to craft a substitute for Obamacare, and Lyin' Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like, promised that the plan would be more affordable for average folks, and be better. Lyin' Don just cannot stop lying!
This plan was so last minute, even though the Republicans had 7 years to craft it, that most of the Republican members of the U.S. House have very little idea of what is actually contained in the bill. All they really know is that, if passed by the Senate and signed into law by the POTUS, it will save the wealthiest Americans hundreds of billions, if not trillions of dollars over the coming years, AND many Americans, perhaps millions of Americans, will no longer have health care insurance for various reasons.
But, hey, Republican politicians don't really care about the suffering and death of America's poor, working or otherwise. They know that the wealthiest among us fund their political campaigns, and give them cushy, high-paying jobs when they retire from Congress. It's a political quid pro quo.
Of course one Republican railed on about how bad it is to push through legislation that the members of Congress do not have time to read, that have no hearings held, and had no bi-partisan support. His name is Paul Ryan, and he is now Speaker of the House and leader of the Republicans. Here is what he said about how horrible it was to rush such an omnibus bill through the U.S. House. Of course, he was speaking about Obamacare long before he was the Speaker: http://time.com/4766895/health-care-vote-republicans-process-quotes/
Here are some quotes from Ryan:
"I don't think we should pass bills that we haven't read that we don't know what they cost." — Paul Ryan, July 29, 2009
"Congress is moving fast to rush through a health care overhaul that lacks a key ingredient: the full participation of you, the American people." — Paul Ryan, July 18, 2009
"We shouldn't rush this thing through just to rush it through for some artificial deadline. Lets get this thing done right." — Paul Ryan, July 2009
"Congress and the White House have focused their public efforts on platitudes and press conferences, while the substance and the details have remained behind closed doors." — Paul Ryan, July 2009
"Will Speaker Pelosi Wait for the 'Final Number' from the CBO?" — House GOP Twitter Handle, March 18, 2010 BTW -- The Obamacare bill was not passed until the CBO report was issued later that same day. And the bill passed 3 DAYS LATER!
Ryan also said that Obamacare was, "...less about health-care policy and more about ideology." Here's a link to my source for this Ryan quote: http://theweek.com/speedreads/696854/seth-meyers-here-remind-paul-ryan-h...
No Democrat could have stated these issues better right now! Thanks, Mr. Speaker!
BTW -- That "rush" thing. The Obamacare bill was voted on March 21, 2010, at least 8 months after Ryan stated that it was among bills, ..."we haven't read..." Hypocrisy reigns supreme with the very words of our Speaker of the House!

Eventually you are going to get tired of the Republicans winning and you'll work towards reforming the Democratic Party, a corrupt organization.

Until then, get used to being on the end of things like this.

MikeyA

The issue is, leveling the "playing field" for all Americans as much as possible in the field of health care. The issue is, how many poor and moderately-earning Americans are the Republicans willing to sacrifice to poor health, and/or actual death, in order to further line the pockets of the super-rich? As I stated in the title of this thread, in it's current form, this health care change will insure that the rich win "bigly."
Remember, long before Lyin' Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like, ran against Hillary, he took on the innumerable Republican "establishment"candidates and whipped them in the Republican Primaries, in order to get the Republican nomination. While no political party should ever remain stagnant in a dynamic world, it is the Republican Party which needs greater change.
The Republican Party still appeals mostly to the super-rich. Lyin' Don lies his way into the hearts and minds of many common Americans. Truth morphs into "alternative facts." And as Hitler told us so long ago: "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."

and direct quotes in my posts. While you have done some of this at times, you most often go into attack mode, expressing yourself using little but your personal feelings about a topic.

BTW, Mikey -- Every single Democratic House member voted against the bill. 20 Republicans voted against it, against their leadership, and against their POTUS. So, I ask you Mikey, which political party has the greater set of problems?

Well,

The GOP has the Presidency, House, Senat, and is one state shy of total control to be able to call a constitutional convention.

Like I said get used to this.

But keep protesting, blocking traffic, and mud slinging and tell yourself you're resisting. In the mean time we will keep passing our agenda.

Oh remember when you asked me what the GOP plan was for replacing Obamacare? Yeah it just passed the House.

Remember it was I who pointed out that Hillary was a bad candidate. I'm SURE the Dems won't think to rig the next primary.

MikeyA

Will it pass the Senate in its current form? Republicans had SEVEN YEARS to get a plan formulated, and they failed miserably to get something together in time for even the House Republicans to read the bill! That's organized? The current Republican Speaker of the House criticized Democrats for presenting an omnibus health care bill in a "rushed" fashion in 2009, and they didn't vote on it until SEVEN MONTHS LATER!
As far as the replacement itself is concerned, as described, it would NOT improve Obamacare. It would mean millions losing their coverage to reward the wealthiest in our society with hundreds of billions, if not TRILLIONS of dollars. Even if the Senate does not go along with this Robin Hood in reverse legislation, I hope the supporters have a great time defending their vote while they run for re-election next year. Oh! They are all Republicans, because doing the opposite of what Paul Ryan stated should be done under the Democrats, this bill is NOT bipartisan AT ALL! It was passed without one single Democratic vote, and with the defection of TWENTY Republicans who voted, "NO!"

Now, Mikey, peaceful protests are a part of our free society. I have NEVER supported violent protest. Remember, Lyin' Don is the only candidate from the 2016 POTUS election who called from a podium for protesters to be removed forcefully. And, the mostly peaceful protesters at resent "Town Hall" meetings have a right in our system to protest. They cannot do so in undemocratic societies, can they, Mikey?.

"win bigly" as is stated above in the title of this thread? Where do you disprove this basic thesis?
Where does this appendage to Obamacare do, as Lyin' Don stated it would do, make life better for common folks who are not among the super-rich? Besides the super-rich, which group of Americans will benefit from this new legislation?
If the Republicans who voted for this bill, whether it clears the Senate or not, can give answers to these questions which satisfy a majority of those voting in their districts in 2018, they will remain in power in Congress. If they cannot, the protests may very well evolve into a flood of votes, turning these sycophants who pray at the altar of the almighty dollar, back into non-office holders. We shall see, Mikey.

Don's Administration. That's $2 trillion, with a "t." To paraphrase the late Republican Senate leader, Everette Dirksen: a trillion dollars here and a trillion dollars there, and pretty soon, you're talking about a lot of money!
And the White House Budget Director has the temerity to treat this gross error as though it's just a small accounting glitch. Here's Mick Mulvaney's reaction, "I'm aware of the criticisms and would simply come back and say there's other places where we were probably overly conservative in our accounting," he said. "We stand by the numbers." http://www.vladtv.com/article/228434/white-house-defends-2-trillion-erro...
Just like a disciple of Lyin' Don the Michelin Man who never met a burger he didn't like! Deny, deny, deny. As someone else who lied all of the time said, "The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." And I think that a $2,000,000,000,000 lie, certainly qualifies as a BIG LIE!!

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