Can Canadian Born Ted Cruz Run For President?

Ted Cruz was born in Alberta Canada to a native Cuban and a mother born in the United States. If I use the same argument that Obama birthers used, he can't. Obama was born in the United States (Hawaii). I have a friend who father was born in Great Britain to an American GI and a British mother. My friend is classified as an alien and must have a Green Card.

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I am going to call bullshit about your "friend".

Source. http://london.usembassy.gov/cons_new/acs/passports/citizenship.html

MikeyA

Call it what you like, MikeyA. The issue is not as clear cut as you may think. The friend's father was a Black American GI by birth and the mother was a Black British citizen by birth. Obviously there are a different set of rules you aren't aware of.

Yeah, not true. Either your friend is made up or lied to you about the circumstances of their life.

As I posted if the situation you posted was correct "your friend" is able to receive a certificate of citizenship.

MikeyA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth," either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth." Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen."

Nobody seriously questioned Obama's nativity since his mother was American.

Hence nobody will seriously question Cruz's nativity since his mother is American.

It must not have been serious. The issue was all over the news and discussed and debated by politicians on radio and TV for years. If Obama's father wasn't African there wouldn't have been an issue. Right?

Is this more of your dumbassed "everything is racist" Liberal madness? Seems so.

I'm just stating the facts. Denial is your choice. It is what it is.

parents NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE BORN. The United States recognizes one as a citizen, if that person has proof that at least one of his or her parents was a United Stated citizen at the time of that person's birth. GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass, is right on this issue.

He is dead wrong about the debate involving Obama and the "birthers." Donald Trump STILL thinks that Obama is not the legitimate POTUS because Obama is not a "natural born" American citizen. The same arguments have surfaced many times in American history. I remember well the questioning of George Romney's candidacy for POTUS back in the 1960s, because he was born in Mexico, even though BOTH of his parents were American citizens at the time. AND, even John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone while his father was stationed there in the service of the military of the United States, had his "natural born" status challenged, as stupid as this sounds on its face. Here is a link to an article from 2008 which investigates the issue in some detail: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html?_r=0

I believe that the confusion emanates from Section 1 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which states, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." It is my understanding that this clause was written to negate the SCOTUS ruling in the Dred Scott Case which stated, among other things, that no one of African background could be a citizen of the United States. However, it led to the misinterpretation that, if one was not born in the United States, one was not a "natural born citizen" of the United States.

Look. Our Founding Fathers were overwhelmingly distrustful of Great Britain, At the time of our nation's birth as an independent country, many Americans were "Loyalists" who were born and raised here, but whose families had strong ties to Great Britain. There was honest concern that someone born in England, could move here, run for POTUS and win, then return America into being a part of the British Empire. And don't think that this was not the ultimate goal of Britain in the (IMHO) totally misnamed War of 1812? That war should be renamed, the Second War for American Independence.

Be that as it may, unlike what GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass states, I remember defending Obama's natural born status numerous times right here in this forum, and well AFTER BOTH the 2008 AND the 2012 elections. GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass, "Nobody seriously questioned Obama's nativity since his mother was American." REALLY? You're kidding, right?

"You're kidding, right?"

No, I'm not kidding. No court took challenges to Obama's nativity seriously. Blogospheric loudmouthing is really the antithesis of "serious".

And he may be a player in the GOP nomination for POTUS once again!

BTW GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass -- Since you are one of those who does a lot of "Blogospheric loudmouthing," are your ruminations also, "the antithesis of 'serious?'"

People who kept insisting Obama was born in Kenya (as if that's relevant anyway) aren't basing their statements on facts. The "birthers" weren't basing their statements on facts. That's why we don't take them seriously.

I base my statements on facts.

Big difference.

Actually, there is a precedent for a non-U.S. born person running for President--Al Gore is from Mars.

Conservatives appear to spout off whatever their tiny brains desire to fit their oppressive stances and then later deny everything. Conservatives must think the majority of us have Alzheimer's. Remind me later what I just said..

Really?

Because if you look back through my comments on here before the President released his birth certificate I was one of the most vocal ones saying it was stupid, he was clearly born here, he is clearly a US citizen, and the only time I advocated him releasing his birth certificate was just to shut the stupid controversy up.

Now you ZC have said whatever your tiny brain desired. Like when you tried to insult me in latin and when I pointed out it was not latin you then claimed you were using a different dialect.

MikeyA

The dialect is in question? Present some citations that says the dialect is something I made up.

I already did. You said it was Latin then changed your story. Now you want me to refute your changed story? I'm sorry but proving everything you say is wrong is a full time job because you don't shut up. I don't have that type of time unless you decide to pay me a sum equivalent to what I'm making now.

MikeyA

It's interesting that you don't have time to provide citations, because you have been relentless at demanding everyone else provide citations.

You're asking me to prove a negative. When in reality, it's not Latin, that we both have established. So... you now say it's a different dialect. It is upon you to cite your proof.

MikeyA

Typical MickeyA BS. Everyone else has to provide citations. All MikeyA has to do is nothing, nothing, nothing but whistle hot air through his butt.

YOU CAN'T PROVE A NEGATIVE! How is this a difficult concept for you? Google it and you maybe can understand what that sentence means.

MikeyA

It should be pointed out here, that the president released his birth certificate two weeks AFTER Trumpp told him to. We still wouldn't have seen it if Trumpp wouldn't have put his foot down. Yeah, he might become involved in the next general election!

Chuckie since insults pass for enlightened repartee on this blog, I am enjoying the visage that in reality you are a balding, short, squat, fat white guy in a wife-beater t-shirt occupying a one bedroom walkup in a grungy part of town passing the time in a vain attempt to perfect trollism. One more thing: your still on a dial-up connection.

Nice try, unwise one,

I hadn't thought about the "White Guy" aspect here. After all, he knows all our tricks and intentions more thoroughly than any White guy I know. If we're right, and I think we are, CharlieZ has made most of us on the Forum a bunch of unwitting DUPES!!

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