Stand with cops? They could make it easier

Perhaps you have also heard the radio ad for a website called Stand With Cops ( The purpose of the site is to encourage people to write messages of support for police.

As a kid, I was taught to respect policemen--I still do. But the police unions could sure make it easier for me to get motivated to support cops if they would stay out of politics.

The irony of the protests against the police is that most of the participants are people who vote Democrat--the liberals who think "we've got to feel sorry for these poor minorities because the cops are singling them out because of the color of their skin." Yet, ALL of the police unions support, fund and encourage their members to vote for Democrats. Be careful what you wish for.

As long as police unions systematically back Democrats, I can't get excited when their compatriots turn on them and imply they're cold-blooded killers.

The police are going to have to figure this out for themselves.

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The problem with the narrative is minorities are not being singled out. Google "homeless man shot by police" and you get a story from Albuquerque where the police shot a white homeless man for noncompliance. The police are going to trial with it.

By framing the argument as only minorities the left is missing out on an opportunity they would love... to actually reform the police depts. But by framing it as only minorities affected they are excluding half the country. Example: last night twitter was all up in arms about the white students "rioting" in Columbus after the win. But how many gunshots were there in that "riot"? How much property was lost? How many businesses destroyed. Again in Columbus I have no problem with the show of force as they've called "the militarization of the police". I have no problem because it's effective.

Now I'm all for adding body and dash cams. I think it assists the police just as much as it hurts those few who abuse the law.


In the 1960's and 1970's there was an expression, "The next time you're in trouble, call a Hippie". I agree we should stand with the police, but the reality is this. A Non-White person is about 10 times more likely to be mistreated by police. Let us remember, just a very few years ago police in Toledo broke into a room at a nursing home to find a mentally unstable person hurting no one. So, the police shot her in the head and the police officer who shot the woman was cleared. I believe if the woman who was shot was not a minority she might be alive today.

If you'd bother to acknowledge the authority police legally have, you don't end up being "mistreated".

Even putting your hands up, and then NOT OBEYING THE POLICE, is grounds to detain or arrest you.

I mean, how fucking hard is it to just obey? When the cops says "stop", you stop. When he says "show me your hands", you show him your hands. You don't get into arguments with him. How hard can that possibly be?

Well, your class of person has no point to make to the rest of America. I know you'll never learn, since it's not in your DNA to learn, but here goes: Stop committing crimes, stop disobeying the police, and basically stop being punks and street apes, and you'd find you have no problems with the police whatsoever. (Getting a job helps, too. Hint hint.)

And in 1970, a White Toledo cop was sitting in a patrol car near Door and Junction, was assassinated with a bullet to the head, and the thug beat the rap after 2-3 trials, even though the cops' partner(Black Man) identified the shooter.

I remember the incident and I condemn the murder. Have you asked why the murder went down. Back then the street talk was that the slain officer was grossly mistreating people in that area of town. I guess someone snapped. The other street talk was that the surviving police officer was the intended victim, but the shooter obviously missed.

I've heard exactly the same things said about another slain cop, the one who got shot in the old North End, about ten years ago. And from quite a few people, too.

This is not the 1970s. In most cities today, minorities are well represented on police forces.
I have known many police officers. As a teacher, I have worked with police officers. In retail business, off-duty police officers were hired by the shopping center where I worked. The two officers who were most frequently employed when I worked there were both African-Americans, and that was in the 1960s and 1970s. They told me about how they knew who most of the "bad guys" were. They told me about "on street justice," as they called it.
Most police officers do their jobs well, and do their jobs without paying much attention to the race or ethnicity of the people whom they believe to be perpetrators of crime, or victims of crime. Most police officers live by the credo, "To Protect and Serve." Tarnishing an entire group for the negative actions of a few, is classic prejudice -- and it's always wrong!
A disproportionate number of victims of crimes are minorities. They are being "protected and served" by police officers disproportionately. The main problem we have in this country is poverty within the structure of the most vibrant economic system in the history of the world. Personally, I couldn't care less if the diminution of poverty emanates from conservative ideas, liberal ideas, moderate ideas, or individual non-aligned ideas. I just want the problem to be minimized!
As a society, we have the obligation to provide opportunities, without prejudice, for as many citizens as possible to have a chance to be a productive, protected citizens. The vast majority of police aspire to facilitate this process. I fully support the police in their efforts.

of an idea that works to lessen the scourge of poverty means nothing to me. Many who post here site statistics showing that U.S. cities, in general, have high unemployment, and that most U.S. cities are dominated by elected officials who are Democrats, then conclude that Democratic political positions lead to higher unemployment and more poverty than do Republican political positions.
My wife and I just returned from visiting our son in San Francisco. As he drove us around the city, he pointed out all of the new construction, especially the new construction of high rise office buildings and apartments/condominiums. There is not one large city in the United States that is more closely identified with the political left than is San Francisco. So, to confirm his feelings about the economy there, I looked up the unemployment rate in San Francisco. It was 4.4% in December of 2014. If voting for Democrats is some form of insanity, as some here have posted; if electing Democrats to lead government always leads to disaster, as many here state over and over again; where is the disaster in America's most liberal large city?
That's what I'm trying to point out! I don't care if solutions to urban problems emanate from the left, the right, the middle, or some combination. I strongly believe we should be united in getting initiatives which work, without concern for the ideological basis for these initiatives. I don't crave "Democratic" answers. I don't loathe "Republican" answers. I just desire answers!
BTW -- One ballot initiative which passed in San Francisco this November will raise the minimum wage in the city to $15.00 an hour by 2018! It is currently $10.74 per hour, the highest of any city in America, and they still have an unemployment rate of 4.4%. How can this be?

The Lifes losers vote Democrat....

Chicken/ egg.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

to you. It means nothing to me. San Francisco's success has nothing to do with any chicken/egg analogy. It is simply factual. You are so blinded by ideology that you cannot accept the fact that Democrats can rule a major city successfully.
Voting Democratic does not make one a loser.
Voting Republican does not make one a loser.
Ignoring facts makes one a loser.
ZG, if the shoe fits...

So you want it both ways.....LOL...

Check out the resounding Liberal success....

Least afforable housing market...

Roving crews powerwash urin and shit away before the people have to see it every morning...

Voilent Crime on the increase.

Major international hub of sex trafficing.

What do the locals think?

"It's time to face facts: San Francisco is spectacularly mismanaged and arguably the worst-run big city in America. This year's city budget is an astonishing $6.6 billion — more than twice the budget for the entire state of Idaho — for roughly 800,000 residents. Yet despite that stratospheric amount, San Francisco can't point to progress on many of the social issues it spends liberally to tackle — and no one is made to answer when the city comes up short.

The city's ineptitude is no secret. "I have never heard anyone, even among liberals, say, 'If only [our city] could be run like San Francisco,'" says urbanologist Joel Kotkin. "Even other liberal places wouldn't put up with the degree of dysfunction they have in San Francisco. In Houston, the exact opposite of San Francisco, I assume you'd get shot."

And Democrats are doing a bang up job In Detriot too...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I particularly like the citations of articles from 2006 and 2009! You did do a lot of research. I guess you had to dig hard to find some of this stuff. Only 5 negative articles over a 9 year period of time, huh. And, if having high property values is such a problem, how do you rationalize the low unemployment rate in San Francisco AS OF DECEMBER, 2014??!! You just can't get over that 4.4% rate, can you, ZG?
The most "affordable" cities in which to purchase property have high unemployment and low economic activity. Hence, they have too few people who can afford to buy property, and too many people who want to sell property. It's called the free market. It's called supply and demand. It's called capitalism. Study it sometime! It's working well in San Francisco.

Francisco off and on since 1969! Since our son moved there permanently in 2000, we have been there at least once a year! Maybe we know just a little more about San Francisco than you do? Maybe?
And, yes, he and his family live within the city limits.
BTW -- Property values in the suburbs are high, but, with few exceptions, NOT so high as the property values are within the city limits.

BTW also -- Great debating technique. Ignore the facts I state, and search and search to find some things which are negative to distract from the good news in San Francisco. Well done, ZG! Bottom are a chained to your ideology and partisanship!

According to the MSN website, the #1 city in which to get a job is Lincoln, Nebraska. AND the mayor of Lincoln, Nebraska, since 2007, has been Chris Beutler, who happens to be a Democrat. Before being elected Lincoln's mayor, in 2007 and again in 2011, Beutler was a long time member of the Nebraska State Legislature. According to the article, Lincoln is considered to be very business friendly under Democrat, Beutler's leadership.
Lincoln's unemployment rate is 2.1%, as of November, 2014.
Here's a link to the article currently posted via MSN:

It is unconscionable that the decision was made to not intervene when some protestors sent too far and vandalized a monument to those who actually lost their lives "to protect and serve" their community.
According to the TV report. those who did the vandalism are to be arrested and prosecuted. It's hard to imagine doing anything less.

Here's the link:

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