On this Labor Day ...

Let us remember that the movement for permanent worker organizing rights began with the brave and resilient men and women of Pennsylvania and West Virginia. God bless the United Mine Workers of America.



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God bless them!

Is Labor Day only for union workers?

Of course not. But it is a day to remember those whose struggles to organize gave rise to the phenomenon of the American Middle Class.

Patience is a great virtue.

and I'm old enough to remember the Toledo police strike in 79...


Thirty years ago, Toledo s mayor and its City Council members were at an impasse with the city s police and fire unions much as they are today.

Back then, the disputes were over pay raises, benefits, and the number of police officers and firefighters assigned to each crew.

The impasse led to what many people viewed as an illegal walkout of 3,400 municipal employees on the morning of July 1, 1979. It occurred during the era of runaway inflation at the end of President Jimmy Carter s administration, months after Chicago firefighters and Memphis police had gone on strike.

Worse than any of the usual name-calling was a 48-hour gap in public safety that allowed mayhem to rule Toledo streets. Toledo s strike was believed to be the nation s first in which both police and firefighters walked out the same day.

Countless blazes were set, including the firebombing of the former Plaza Hotel on Monroe Street across from the Toledo Museum of Art. About $50,000 of city property much involving vehicles was trashed.

Residents armed themselves with shotguns and other weapons. One TARTA bus driver was slain and another was robbed, prompting the agency s chief to pull all drivers off their routes because he feared for their safety.

Gov. James A. Rhodes, on business in China, contemplated sending the Ohio National Guard to Toledo. Word was sent to him via U.S. Ambassador Leonard Woodcock. Mr. Rhodes was asked by Toledo s congressman, Thomas L. Ashley, to give the city s strike priority attention.

Serious violence possible, said Mr. Ashley s message, which was sent after a telephone conference with Toledo Mayor Doug DeGood.

Mr. Rhodes was nine years removed from the shootings at Kent State University that occurred after he sent guardsmen to that campus in hopes of quelling Vietnam War protesters.

He didn t dispatch troops to Toledo but he did send Maj. Gen. James Clem, the guard s adjutant general, to assess the situation.

Public confidence was shaken by Toledo s 48 hours of bedlam.

There was havoc on the streets, said Police Chief Mike Navarre, who joined the police force in 1977 and was one of the striking patrolmen.

State of anarchy

J. Michael Porter, Toledo s city manager at the time, said after the strike that the city would have felt more secure if Mr. Rhodes had at least mobilized the guard.

Mr. DeGood, now an Atlanta-area consultant, said he believes Mr. Rhodes avoided sending troops to Toledo because he got burned politically by the Kent State shootings.

There is absolutely, positively, no doubt in my mind he was not going to send troops to Toledo until half the buildings burned down, Mr. DeGood said in a phone interview last week.

Yes, it was directly as a consequence of Kent State that he took the position he took. He was gun-shy after that Kent State thing.

Lucas County sheriff s deputies kept as much peace as they could within the city but were overwhelmed.

So were firefighters from 13 surrounding communities who came to Toledo s aid under an agreement the city had once resisted.

One of several Blade editorials stirred a number of responses from residents, union leaders, and city officials.

Published on the Fourth of July in 1979, just as the city s arson-induced smoke was settling, it said residents were still in shock over the totally inexcusable state of anarchy that was sparked solely by the irresponsible actions of Toledo s striking municipal employees especially members of the police and fire divisions.

The newspaper s editorial board scorned police officers and firefighters for abdicating their duty to protect the public, accusing them of standing pat while chaos ruled.

It contended that a small minority went so far as to encourage even incite violence and destruction.

The public was angry about the fires being set. They were angry their safety was compromised, Mr. DeGood said.

Tense negotiations

Contract negotiations had begun that spring, with both sides anticipating tense moments as they approached the June 30 expiration of labor contracts.

They were right.

Mr. Porter, the city manager, told council members on June 12 that there was a realistic possibility of some issues not being settled by the June 30 deadline.

On June 27, Councilman Andy Douglas now a retired Ohio Supreme Court justice said at a Kiwanis Club luncheon that he thought the city was on the verge of a settlement.

Mr. Douglas was known for being tight with police and fire groups, both of which had members in the audience.

Mr. Douglas wrote about the 1979 strike in a 2007 article in the Cleveland State Law Review, a scholarly legal journal published by Cleveland State University s law school.

He told The Blade Friday that he recalls the events of that era like it was yesterday.

I made it very clear to them we were at the bottom line, that we had no more money, Mr. Douglas said of his Rotary speech.

What I said was the matter was near resolution.

A final offer

The next day, the city said it was issuing its final offer to the unions, one that called for a 2 percent wage increase the first year and raises of 1.5 percent and 1 percent in the subsequent two years.

It also agreed to keep honoring a cost-of-living wage clause the unions had obtained in 1968.

The unions balked. Talks with a federal mediator at the former Hillcrest Hotel failed to produce an agreement.

The unions said they were left with no choice but to strike as of 6 a.m. July 1, something which they were told was forbidden by law.

That didn t stop them.

At 8 a.m. on Monday, July 2, Mayor DeGood, who was only 32 at the time, collapsed in his office from the stress. He spent the next 24 hours in St. Vincent Hospital, now St. Vincent Mercy Medical Center.

Negotiations with the mediator resumed, although they broke off suddenly when four labor leaders fled upon learning Lucas County sheriff s deputies were about to issue them a summons to appear in court.

At 3:30 p.m., Lucas County Common Pleas Judge George Kiroff convened a hearing on the city s request for an injunction that would require employees to return to their jobs.

Five hours later, the judge ruled in favor of the city, saying that any union that did not end its strike would be fined $25,000 and each of the striking members would be fined an additional $2,500 a day.

Talks resumed at the Hillcrest Hotel, with the number of arsons and other crimes in the city putting everyone on edge. Negotiations continued through the night and into the morning of July 3.

From the sixth floor of the Hillcrest, Mr. Porter gazed out over a city on fire as negotiations continued. Vandals looted a nearby appliance store.

An article in The Blade reported at least 15 buildings burned to the ground in a one-block area bounded by Bancroft, Linwood, Beacon, and 14th streets on July 2. Linwood, in particular, looked as though it had been bombed, the story said.

Mr. Porter emerged from the Hillcrest at 6:15 a.m. July 3 to announce that strikers agreed to return to work.

Death, destruction

The agreement was too late for Robert Maidlow, a 39-year-old TARTA bus driver slain by robbers at 10 p.m. July 2 at Oakwood and Smead avenues.

His family sought $2.1 million from the city, the unions, and TARTA, contending the strike was in violation of the Ferguson Act, which forbid walkouts by public employees.

A visiting judge, Richard McQuade, Jr., of Fulton County Common Pleas Court, ruled in 1981 that those parties could not be held responsible for Mr. Maidlow s death because the strike although a deliberate act was not targeted at any one person.

The firebombing of the Plaza Hotel occurred early in the morning of July 3, hours before the strike ended.

Sixty men overpowered guards on site, seizing their radios and smashing windows of several automobiles while also overturning a van. Firebombs were hurled from a moving truck that the FBI later learned was registered to a member of Plumbers Union Local 50, which was at odds with the Plaza s owner over the use of nonunion labor in remodeling work.

That same morning, 26-year-old Joseph Minnich was charged with trying to run down firefighter Robert McGreevy with his car shortly after firefighters had returned to work.

Mr. Minnich, angry that he had lost his house in a blaze at 413 Prescott St. during the strike, confronted firefighters when they arrived on his block to extinguish embers from his house and an adjacent one, according to Mr. McGreevy s testimony at a trial over the incident.

Mr. McGreevy testified that he sprayed water from the fire hose near Mr. Minnich s feet after being insulted. He said the man got into his car and drove down a sidewalk toward him at a high rate of speed, prompting the firefighter to throw his helmet at the car.

Both men were charged separately, but neither was convicted.

The aftermath

Chief Navarre said he s sure the Toledo strike was an impetus for stronger collective bargaining laws.

There was no collective bargaining in Ohio back in 1979. People were frustrated, he said. There was no recourse.

The strike created a rift between employees who crossed picket lines and those who didn t.

It wasn t just external. It was also internal. I know there were a lot of hard feelings [within the police force], Chief Navarre said.

A poststrike report compiled by a cross-section of labor, management, and citizen leaders cited negotiators inexperience as an underlying cause.

The Toledo Police Patrolman s Association fielded the greenest bargaining team, with none of its six members having experience.

We had a brand-new manager, a new personnel director, and there was a new team on the other side too, Mr. Porter said at the time.

Municipal workers felt they were being used by politicians who wanted to further their careers. Union leaders complained about not getting enough access to city financial records.

Shades of 1979

It s much the same today, with Mayor Finkbeiner and finance officials of his administration saying the city faces a $21.3 million deficit and that city employee unions must agree to wage and benefit cuts to bring the city back into the black. Union leaders say they don t trust the mayor or the claims he makes about city finances.

Unlike in 1979, Mr. Finkbeiner has laid off 75 police officers and says he ll lay off 125 more if the police union doesn t agree to the concessions he s demanded.

We had the impression there was money out there, said Gary Dunn, president of the police union in 1979.

I m really disappointed after all of these years that it s still a political football. Carty is hellbent on digging in his heels and making a point. If they get out of this mess, I don t know how you kiss and make up. I don t how you mend fences.

Mr. Douglas said his Toledo home was picketed during the 1979 strike.

He said people literally feared for their lives then and that they have reason for more anxiety unless Mr. Finkbeiner and the council find a way to repair relations with police and fire employees soon.

Laying off 75 police officers is just a start. It s going to get worse before it gets better, said Mr. Douglas, who now lives in Columbus. I sit and grieve far away about what s going on in Toledo. Somebody s got to come up with a solution.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Yep, and for every bad story about unions, there are thousands of non-stories where nothing happened except decent wages and benefits. Happy Labor Day!

So a snapshot of local labor-management strife from '79 somehow negates the achievements of the American labor movement? If that's the attitude we're supposed to have, should we all piss on the American flag and curse members of the military every March 16 because we remember the My Lai Massacre?

Patience is a great virtue.

I had a family member who was one of those who were on strike. Got to speak to family members about it as they passed before I was old enough to know about it. Essentially they made the personal decision to strike because they felt the city never appreciated the work they did especially during the '68 riots.


Too often, we don't appreciate the jobs done by police officers and fire fighters until or unless one of them is a part of our family or a close friend, or if something happens and we need their services. Statistically, being a fire fighter is a more dangerous job than being a police officer.
The last strike of the Toledo Federation of Teachers was in 1978, also. That strike was also illegal under the Ferguson Act. We have not had a teachers' strike since then -- that's OVER 36 YEARS AGO!!
Doesn't it seem that citing something that happened over 36 years ago as some kind of warning in order to undermine organizations today smacks of desperation?

Bullshit....look how many of them are fat fucks who couldn't work their way out of a paper bag....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I remember when this happened. It was later shown how the reporter provoked the whole thing.


AC 1, Zeit -9001

OK several points.

First, the "edited" video doesn't show Crowder attacking the guy. In fact you can see from the brief moment as the guy is falling Crowder has his hands up in a "I didn't touch him fashion". He also falls towards Crowder so if he is pushed he's being pushed from behind, so no reason to attack Crowder.

Finally, The Young Turks is your source?

You do realize they are named after a group who caused the Armenian Genocide systematically killing 1.5 million innocents, why, because they were a different race.

Cenk Uygur also denies this ever occurred.

So you're posting the rants of known racist and genocide denier... AND YOU HAVE THE GALL TO CALL OTHERS RACIST!

Who is your next think tank? The Black September? or are they your action arm?


The man was pushed down to the ground. He attacked the person he incorrectly thought pushed him. You can hear him saying, "He assaulted me," before he swings a fist. He was wrong to strike out like that. But, Fox misused the incident and edited it to look as though their reporter was attacked for no apparent reason.

But, hey, Mikey, believe whatever you want to believe. After all, we all know that Fox News is "fair and balanced." It must be so, because they say so every day on Fox News!
In addition, I have heard and seen the term "Young Turks" used, perhaps incorrectly, to refer to any "new" group which arises to challenge an "establishment" group. Your reference to the Armenian massacre seems off the wall. Does Mr. Uygur deny the Armenian Massacre happened? Please reference this, Mikey. If he does, that certainly taints his opinions. However, the tale is in the videotape. We can all see that for ourselves.

Dale, in case you haven't learned already, I don't trust media and most of the sources I get my information are liberal sources not conservative ones. So if you really want to continue questioning me that's fine but I can tell you this incident was widely discussed here and there are multiple sources of videos of this incident.

Next, the reporter was attacked for no apparent reason because the reporter did not push the man, that's true of the Young Turks video.

When this incident occurred it was widely discussed here and the other videos were posted.

As far as the genocide denier: http://web.archive.org/web/19990901032255/http://salon.com/letters/1999/...

He's never apologized or admitted he was wrong.


Uygur before the post on this thread. Since I never saw much about the Armenian Massacre in ANY history book I read, I accepted it as fact. I'll have to do more research before I denounce Mr Uygur's views. My knee jerk reaction is to see him as a denier, but I admit to ignorance of this issue.

Whether I trust Mr. Uygur or not, the unedited videotape clearly shows the attacker being force to the ground by SOMEONE. before he threw a punch. I do not see the reporter as that person myself, as others seem to think; however, the attacker obviously believed that he was striking back at the person who assaulted him, and Fox News definitely edited the videotape to make the attack appear to be totally unprovoked.

Mr. Uygur used to be on MSNBC, but not in a high profile time slot. I think he may have competed against Gov. Kasich's show. Wisely MSNBC went their separate ways.

There have been multiple forums where people have attempted to question him and he's avoided the question. He also was very critical of Israel during the recent conflict while ignoring Hamas' use of human shields.


In the un-edited video, the last guy with his hands on the union worker before he went down was Steven Crowder. Here's an interview in which Crowder gets to tell his side of the story. Listen to Crowder's weak description as to what happened. What Crowder talks about doesn't match anything in either the edited or un-edited video. Crowder tries to distract the conversation when he starts yelling, claiming the guy that punched him was tearing down a tent as he went down, yet he is not touching a tent anywhere on the video. Notice too how he(Crowder) never says he didn't push the guy, never actually answers Hannity when Hannity conveniently sets him up with both question and answer. In this interview Crowder seems to be a total jerk with something to hide.
I honestly think Crowder pushed the guy then dramatically threw his hands up to pretend he hadn't. One fact we do know: the guy went down. Who else would have pushed him- one of his union buddies? If it had been someone else pushing him, Crowder would have seen it since he was right there. Why can't Crowder tell who it really was, instead of yelling about a tent?


Ok. I'm going to post this for PMW.

So who is the aggressor? Crowder? or the man in the hat?

Who was in the way of those trying to stop the tent being torn down? (5:40 time stamp)

Was the tent being torn down with reckless disregard to those inside it?

Why can't Crowder say who pushed the man? Probably because it was a chaotic situation because of the union protestors encroaching the RTW supporters tent. Ya think?

But then we come to 5:50 of the video. Where the second RTW supporter with a camera is attacked by union thugs. Where is he standing? Right behind the pushed man.

Is it possible that during the attack the man was knocked down because of the actions of he fellow supporters and then got up and attacked Crowder who was clearly displaying peaceful behavior prior to the incident?



Mikeya, apparently you don't understand the guy at the 5:50 time stamp is Crowder himself. He was the one with his hands on the guy that went down. He is not standing behind the guy that got pushed; he is right next to him. Step through the video starting at 5:40 and go till about 5:60. You will see Crowder getting in place to push the guy. The camera goes off the two men for a second, but at just about the 5:51 to 5:52 time stamp you will see Crowder's left arm extended down towards the man on the ground, as if he had just got done pushing him. Crowder is also leaning in the direction of the fallen man. He then quickly stands up straighter, pulls both hands up, and acts like he did nothing. That's the part Crowder edited out the first time he aired the video on FOX. By the way, something else that's in the uncut video, the guy that was pushed by Crowder was not attacking any tent. Take a look.

I watched the video. At exactly 5:50, Crowder is standing perpendicular to the man pushed and is looking away from the man. At 5:52 the man falls at Crowder's feet. By 5:60 Crowder is out of the frame with his hands up. Crowder is NEVER in place to push the guy from 5:40 to 5:60. At 5:51 & 5:52 all you see of Crowder is his head, not his hand, at 5:53 Crowder's hands are up and he's still facing the same way as 5:50 on, which is away from the direction the man was pushed.

BTW, this is the uncut video. Everything is uncut. It's on a continued uncut stream of two different views for over 4 mins of footage.


Well, watch it again. From 5:40 to 5:60, Crowder is always in a place where he can push the guy. At the place where you only see Crowder's head, Crowder is facing in the same direction as the fall . Do you at least see that much? Just past that point, and right before he lifts his arms, his left arm is extended downward in the same direction as the fall. The man does not fall at Crowder's feet; he falls away from Crowder in the direction Crowder's head is facing. When Crowder lifts his arms he is still facing the direction of the fall, not away from it. Go very slowly and you will see it. If you know of a way to make a still from a YouTube video, tell me how it's done and I will make a still of it for you. I assure you it is there if you go slowly and watch for it.

One other thing: if you watch and listen carefully, it appears to have been Crowder that said "You just assaulted me". The man who fell's mouth does not move when you hear this statement. Plus, it sounds like Crowder to me.

There is a difference between willful ignorance and being misinformed.

Dale was misinformed. You are willfully ignorant.

FYI easiest way I know to get a still is to pause the video and use the print screen function on your keyboard then right click and paste into MS Paint.

At the time the man is pushed the camera on the left is hit as well, the camera man is to the left of Crowder and the union man. Yes someone states "You just assaulted me" and it very well could be Crowder but I took it that it was whomever was off camera doing the pushing that it was reflected at.

You said " Crowder tries to distract the conversation when he starts yelling, claiming the guy that punched him was tearing down a tent as he went down" This video proves Crowder right.

You said "Who else would have pushed him- one of his union buddies?" Yes, it's not only plausible, it's also probable with the second video added. Also, it's probable because throughout the whole video it is the union supporters and the man who was pushed who display aggressive behavior. You said "It was later shown how the reporter provoked the whole thing." This is untrue, unless if you're saying just his presence there is a provocation but Mr. Crowder has a right to exercise his freedom of speech. The protestors actually have claimed just that, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/12/steven-crowder-punched_n_228716...

So just to recap. You've claimed Crowder lied which was untrue, was trying to start a fist fight which is untrue, and your liberal bretheren believe just Crowder having the right of speech is justification for violence.

You sir are willfully ignorant.


"Willfully ignorant"? I try to have a discussion with you, give you my take on something, show you time stamps, describe what I'm seeing, encourage debate, and that's what I get? I don't go along with the first thing I'm told to think, Mikeya; I look for myself. You will come across people that don't agree with you from time to time- best not to think them ignorant unless you are 100% sure you know what you are talking about.

Here's something you can do to convince me of how ignorant I am: show me the time stamp where the man that got pushed, the one who eventually punched Crowder, was tearing down the tent. You say the video proves Crowder correct in this. Show me where, if you yourself are not practicing "willful ignorance".

All of us should remember, appreciate and learn from history.


Patience is a great virtue.

The Crowder video was already debunked on this site.


But it's too bad Payingmyway and Dalepertcheck put their trust into liberal news sources and got burned by it.... again.

Even wolfman stayed out of it this time. Maybe he remembered looking silly the last time he tried spinning this incident and looked foolish.


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