Can't wait to see the reaction to this story

So according to aCOWARD when you vote in a primary you are then lawfully held to that party. Here's a little story out of Michigan The revelation that the Michigan Democratic Party’s presumptive gubernatorial nominee voted in the most recent Republican presidential primary won’t strike most Michigan voters as much of a scandal, much less a stain on the nominee’s political integrity.

In an interview with the Detroit News’ Chad Livengood, former U.S. Rep. Mark Schauer acknowledges he passed up the Democratic presidential primary (in which the incumbent president, Barack Obama, was the only candidate listed on the ballot) in order to to register his druthers in the somewhat more consequential contest between GOP rivals Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum.

“I try not to miss any elections,” Schauer explained. And since “there was nothing to vote for on the Democratic side of the ballot,” he opted to weigh in the GOP side, although he declines to say which Republican presidential hopeful benefited. http://www.freep.com/article/20140726/BLOG25/307260051/Primary-Mark-Schauer

Now my guess is that aCOWARD will dance around by saying it's Michigan not Ohio, but the fact remains this guy did it, and I have no problem with it.

No votes yet

Front page attack of me, and also complete bullshit attack comparing apples to oranges (previous discussion was based on OHIO LAWS so Fred's attack is entirely off base and malicious in nature).

Now to see if Chris will actually take action on Fred, or if nothing will happen again.

I believe I called it with the Michigan-Ohio comparison prediction.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I believe you're just out to troll and start crap and that Chris will be smacking you for doing so.

Inaction from Chris will be taken as him giving you carte blanche to do whatever you like because you're a Famous Person and/or he endorses whatever you do here, or as a sign he's absent again and therefore the only counter to this is to do it right back.

I will waive my fee for this (just trying to help Anonymouscoward to get a clue), but here is why cross-over voting can be done in Ohio primaries.

According to the Ohio Revised Code, if a poll worker determines that a person is asking for the primary ballot of a political party that does not match his/her previous voting habits, the worker can challenge that voter (who in turn would receive a provisional ballot).

Here's the twist. As of 2004, Ohio law no longer allows State court challenges of any federal office elections. So if the primary ballot has federal candidates (President or Congress), it renders any cross-over laws moot.

Ohio Revised Code 3515.08(a)

It's common practice to vote in Michigan primaries. I did it in 2000 when McCain and Bush were running for president. I recognized the danger of electing an idiot for president. It was my patriotic duty to protect the country from a moron in office. Well it turned out the idiot was appointed by the courts even though Gore won the popular vote.

For the record I vote independent that means the person. At anytime a person can change parties if they so choose. I'd be voting for Elisabeth Warren next election if she runs as whatever cause she's honest. This country can't even prosecute criminal bankers that crashed the economy yet some think it will prosecute election fraud?

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

How could George Bush "steal" the election from Al Gore when Gore never had more votes than Bush (either in the original count or the re-count)?

Yes, Elizabeth Warren is VERY honest. By the way, she's Native American--isn't she?

ORC 3513.19
(B) When the right of a person to vote is challenged upon the ground set forth in division (A)(3) of this section, membership in or political affiliation with a political party shall be determined by the person's statement, made under penalty of election falsification, that the person desires to be affiliated with and supports the principles of the political party whose primary ballot the person desires to vote.

1) You vote in a primary in Ohio and thereby VOLUNTARILY LEGALLY CHOOSE TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THAT PARTY. Therefore, as GZ has previously said elsewhere on this board, he voted the GOP primary ballot and is legally considered to be a Republican (he voluntarily affiliated himself with the GOP and supports the principles of the GOP). Same goes for anyone else (including myself) who voted a party ballot in the primary.

2) If you decide to switch parties, you swear UNDER PENALTY OF ELECTION FALSIFICATION (A FELONY!) that you desire to be affiliated with and support the principles of the party whose primary ballot you desire to vote.

3) This has NOTHING to do with state vs. federal ANYTHING, it does NOT matter if the ballot has federal candidates on it or not, and nothing of the sort is even specified in the laws as written. It is merely based on PARTY choice.

4) If you are, say, a Radio Personality who is on record NOT ONLY on his radio show as dissing all things Democrat and liberal, BUT ALSO online, and you decide you're going to vote the Dem primary ballot to mess with the Dems, I wish you luck because the minute you inevitably make one comment that doesn't support the principles of the Democratic Party, you will be open to prosecution for FELONY ELECTION FALSIFICATION (you falsely swore an oath under law).

As to all the protestations by GZ and others that they are not Republicans:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/elections/Voters/FAQ/genFAQs.aspx :


Do I declare my political party affiliation when I register?

No. Under Ohio election law, you declare your political party affiliation by requesting the ballot of a political party in a partisan primary election.


SECRETARY OF STATE'S WEBSITE. TRY TELLING HUSTED HE'S WRONG. I DARE YOU.

So, since we have so many Republicans here who are aligned with the party that says Voter ID is REQUIRED to cut down on all this VOTER FRAUD, I have a question for you: WHY ARE YOU ADVOCATING COMMITTING VOTER FRAUD?

BTW Galt the moron, 3515.08 only applies to contesting elections. Good thing you waived your fee, because you'd be put up on those review sites as a MORON who charges for false advice. Challenging a voter is not contesting an election, DUH!

Open primary:

In an open primary, voters of any affiliation may vote in the primaries of any party they choose. They cannot vote in more than one party's primary, although that prohibition can be difficult to enforce in the event a party has a runoff election. In many open primary states voters do not indicate partisan affiliation when they register to vote.

One area of contention in open primaries is "crossover" voting, which may change who wins a party nomination. It most often involves voters registered with Party B (either in an area dominated by Party A or in a year when Party B's nominee is a foregone conclusion) voting in the primary for the Party A candidate whose views are closer their own. Occasionally, there also are concerns about sabotage, or "party crashing," which involves partisans strategically voting for a weaker candidate in another party's primary in the hope that the opposition party will nominate a candidate who is easier to defeat in the general election.
http://www.fairvote.org/research-and-analysis/presidential-elections/con...

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Some believe open primaries, not longer voting periods, would invigorate dismal voter turnout. I tend to agree.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/everyone-says-turnout-is-key-so-w...

Patience is a great virtue.

Eliminate primaries entirely. All they are is a taxpayer-funded popularity contest that benefits the two political parties. Let the parties decide it internally, or go to Instant Runoff or Condorcet Method voting instead and have as many people on the ballot for a given office as want to be on it instead of just two and the occasional third-party (write-ins don't count as they are not named on the ballot).

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