House GOP slashes IRS enforcement budget, still demands IRS be infallable.

"The GOP-controlled House has slashed the budget for the Internal Revenue Service's tax enforcement division by $1.2 billion, a 25 percent cut that would mean fewer audits of taxpayers and make it more likely that people who cheat on their taxes will get away with it.

The House approved the cuts by voice vote after little debate Monday night as it took up a $21 billion spending bill that sets the IRS budget.


"The use of a government agency to harass, target, intimidate and threaten lawful, honest citizens was the worst form of authoritarianism," said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., author of an amendment to cut the IRS tax enforcement budget by $353 million."

But Congressional Republicans using their power to harass, target, intimidate, and threaten lawful, honest citizens with any number of hearings, inquiries, etc. (everything from Sandra Fluke to IRS to BENGHAZI!) is okay, because It's OK If You Are Republican.

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Gotta love these sock puppets who push to defund the IRS. The wage earners of America can't get away with not paying their taxes as everything is reported but the tax cheat businesses get to rip off all of us because of some phony IRS scandal .

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

An IRS official admitted to wrong doing in a speech. Then pleaded the 5th amendment under oath. Then evidence started disappearing.

Yet this is a phony scandal. Too funny.


Let's use logic. According to the IRS website, the majority of tax returns are now filed electronically. That means there is a significant decrease in the amount of hands-on processing needed (as opposed to the days when people sent in paper 1040 forms). Fewer people needed to manually check 1040 forms equals a decrease in operational costs.

Here's an idea--let's do away with the IRS altogether and replace it with a federal sales tax.

Sure, let's do that and get rid of the last vestiges of the middle class, since the sales tax is regressive. (Those Kochs you are a sucker of can elect to not buy another yacht, brand new suits, caviar, two more huge TVs, etc. while those who are already poor don't have much leeway in their purchases - and of course cuts in purchasing from either group mean there is LESS money to "trickle down" in that bullshit theory you swallowed hook, line, and sinker.)

"Sure, let's do that and get rid of the last vestiges of the middle class, since the sales tax is regressive."

2/3rds of the nation pay other people to prepare their taxes. The average cost per filing is about $200.

So even for a Liberal, you're stunningly ignorant. The income tax is a huge load upon the American people. And we combine it what that other outrage, refundable tax credits (like the Earned Income Credit and Child Tax Credit).

That's what you Liberals are really terrified of losing.

Pardon me, but your senile dementia is acting up. What the hell does people paying others to prepare their taxes have to do with sales tax being regressive or your B.S. line of the income tax being a huge load upon the American people? I know morons who could file a 1040EZ that go to H&R Block. Oh, and thank you for forgetting Romney's "47% of Americans pay no income tax" stuff too. You just effectively admitted that you want to shift the tax burden onto the middle class and poor. Please, GZ, give it up before you make a bigger fool of yourself.

2/3rds of Americans shell out an average of $200 each year just to have their tax returns prepared for them. That amply demonstrates that people aren't as badly off as you are intimating. In other words, you could replace the income tax with a sales tax and have most Americans paying $120 more in taxes thereby and you'd get pretty much the same result insofar as personal impact goes.

Christ, do I need to draw you a fucking picture? You can't make the least logical connection anymore, can you? I blame Liberalism, or drinking; either can rot your brain.

At any rate, a consumption-based tax system in this era of ever depleting cheap-energy sources, is EXACTLY what we need. And it would get rid of those abominations, the refundable credits, namely the EIC and CTC. Why the fuck is the government paying people outright? It's sick and wrong to just give government money to people, mostly for being poor and irresponsible (i.e. poor and having children). It takes from those who make. That rewards poverty and irresponsibility, promotes fraud (the IRS' own press releases say as much), and drives the makers away.

Wait, wait, that's exactly what you Liberal bastards want to have happen. Awful. Simply awful.

Cite your claims. I wanna see this.

You sure are lazy, AC. But that's a standard issue with Liberals when presented with facts they don't like.


"Percent using paid preparers (TY 2011) 56.0%"

Score: I said 2/3rds. Filings were slightly higher in 2007 (59%).
Grade: C+


"The overall average across the U.S., however, is that taxpayers using a professional to prepare and file their 2013 tax return can expect to pay an average of $261 for an itemized Form 1040 with Schedule A and one state tax return, according to the survey."

"Fees for non-itemized returns are also low – the average cost to prepare a Form 1040 and state return without itemized deductions is only $152."

Score: I said $200. Spot on, mate.
Grade: A+

You didn't give me facts. You just said stuff. I wanted to see where you got these numbers. You finally looked them up and oh hey, overshot on the 2/3rds. I don't necessarily agree with you on the cost, because there's no numbers on, and this is the important part so pay attention, exactly how many people have to file which forms.

If your AGI is under $58k you can use Free File.
Not everyone has to file a full 1040, and according to your man Romney, 47% of Americans don't pay income tax cause they're poors or something like that. Then again, a large number of Americans are too lazy or stupid or afraid of math or the IRS to do their own taxes and pay H&R Block to do it for them in much the same way a large number of Americans are too lazy or stupid to actually cook dinner and get a restaurant to do it for them.

You don't have all the numbers, so you're making VAST SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS filling in with numbers pulled out of your posterior anatomy in order to justify regressive taxation that will disproportionately affect the middle class and poor. And even if you cut the FEDERAL income tax, that leaves the STATE and LOCAL income taxes that still need to be done up. Oh wait, let's abolish those too so a pair of crappy generic Made in China shoes costs $60 with half that being sales tax. Your friends Richie Rich, Mr. Pennybags, and Scrooge McDuck don't care, but the old lady down the street'll be going barefoot.

Numbers don't mean much unless there's context.

That's why I cannot fathom why politicians want even more poor people to immigrate here. Poor/irresponsible people here are fucking at a rate that's an all time high! They've even created new political sayings. Example: "give me liberty, or give me death" has been replaced with: "give me liberty, and give me-give me-give me".

"Here's an idea--let's do away with the IRS altogether and replace it with a federal sales tax."

It's an idea but it won't be implemented. And you already know why: The Congress doesn't replace taxes or remove taxes, it only adds them. And once in place, those taxes tend to grow.

Greenspan was hauled in front of the Congress in the 1990s and gave testimony about this very issue you lauded. He was quite explicit... replacing the income tax would necessitate (in his opinion; I certainly don't agree) having both tax systems in place at the same time for a number of years. And he left it at that. So you know what would happen next, don't you? The Congress would pass a NST or VAT, and we'd still have the income tax, and then the income tax won't be repealed later regardless of their promises, and then the NST/VAT tax % will just grow and grow. Voila! Now you have just another tax to pay, adding to your already huge load of taxes, and the rich will have another body of tax law to loophole their way out. Remember, the rich can always afford accountants and lawyers to survive the regulatory load that they place on everyone; but you can't.

I find the consumption tax idea to be a good solution. But we're too dysfunctional a society to allow that to happen, or at least allow it to happen correctly. It's sad, but we're a fairly stupid people, and the pains of collapse and suffering must be endured as the only possible course of action.

Well we gotta get the money somewhere.

If we can't find a way to get 17 billion, yes that's a b for billion, the VA is going to keep killing veterans. So we have to fund it someway.

But wait.... "Granting veterans more access to private-sector care would cost $38 billion a year if phased in by 2016, the Congressional Budget Office has estimated, using figures in the Senate bill."


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