President Barack Obama, a man for the people!

President Barack Obama sings for and to the people, "I'm so in love with you."
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If you were a 70-year-old black man who has spent your life trying to erase the "Stepin Fetchit" image of black males--wouldn't you cringe at the idea that the first black President is singing Al Green songs?

Well, I'm not as worried about that, as I am about the hand-kissing issue. Additionally, I had a White mother, and my grandmother was a typical White person. That gives me the right to address this issue, does it not, folks? The president is as much a part of me, as he is of purnhrt, genetically if not politically. That said, I don't really care for his politics, but I don't hate the man, either. Since I don't know her, I have no idea,what purnhrt really thinks about it, I can't speak for her. BUT, I consider the idea of a president, any color president, who would bow and scrape before some third world king, to be one of the most repugnant and odious things I can imagine.

both must admit he can SANG!

Is it a Taylor Auto commercial?

I will admit he's a better singer than a President.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I hope you don't visibly show your contempt for the president as you stroll the halls of Scott High School which has a large mural of the president on the wall..... That would be sooooo uncool!

Saw it last time I was there. I bowed slightly in reverance.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

I might want to check it myself, sometime. Where exactly is Scott High School? I've never been east of Holland Sylvania Rd. Folks, does this mean I need to get out more?

Go nowhere NEAR Scott High School--if you value your life! In fact, as a general rule, stay out of Toledo city limits.

I was in Scott High School as short a time ago as the 2012-2013 school year. It was quiet and organized. Most of those who chose to not be educated, simply don't go to school.

So IF what you say is true, THEN we can deduce that the Scott High School Teachers are just horrible.

The school has struggled to achieve decent graduation rates.
even compared to another school located within the city

So if those who choose not to be educated simply don't go then SHS should outperform other schools in the area since only the motivated attend. That's not what happens, instead it still lags. Thus, the blame must reside with the teachers and administration.


matters. As far as the way schools run and are evaluated, are you stating that you don't respect mine? One of the biggest problems central city schools have is attendance. You cannot imagine how frustrating it is to have students whom one knows are capable of achieving well in school, but are just not there. I often stated on the first day of school how much I wanted to have my students attend classes. I used to tell them, "I can't teach an empty chair." And, as far as state standards are concerned, students who are not in attendance regularly are almost always still "on the books" as attending that school AND are counted as failing standardized tests if they fail to take any one of the tests at the regular administration or on make-up dates. One of the least fair features of Ohio's standardized testing system is that if a student fails only 1 of the 3, 4, or 5 tests, (the number varies by grade level), that student is considered as "Failed," no matter what the reason for that failure.
Mikey -- Let me put this in simple terms. You have taught military inductees. It is my understanding that in order for them to be inducted, they must be either a high school graduate, have passed an entrance exam, or both. Seeing that those you have taught come to you already with a semblance of school/knowledge success, were you able to get every one of them to succeed? If not, why not? You never had to deal with the lowest in intelligence and/or the least motivated. Was that a failure on your part? I don't think so.

There must be a modicum of responsibility taken by the individual. Teachers in traditional public schools deal not only with this, but also with those students who do not prepare to attend school and achieve well. There also must be some responsibility held by those who are supposed to be the support system for these needy children. There's only so much a teacher can do to influence positively the life of a misdirected child.

I have yet to meet the teacher in a highly evaluated, suburban or exurban, or suburban-like of exurban-like school, who wants to trade jobs with a teacher in a central city school. This type of experiment has been done. In some school districts, those teachers in the "good" schools were forced to trade jobs with teachers in the "bad" schools. Guess what happened, Mikey? The students in the "good" schools had test scores with no statistically significant difference from one year to the other. Those in the "bad" schools showed test scores which were down, slightly, but enough to be statistically significant.
Mikey...IT'S NOT THE TEACHERS!! Most teachers in central city schools work their tails off trying to help students be successful. In TPS, the teachers have to go through the most challenging first year intern program in the nation. The teacher's union participates in removing the worst practitioners among them. But wait, there's more. Experienced teachers can also be removed, and have been, WITH THE FULL COMPLIANCE OF THE TOLEDO FEDERATION OF TEACHERS!
But, hey. What do I know? I only spent 15 years in business and 35 years teaching in TPS. I have no expertise, nor do I have perspective. You and the other "nattering nabobs of negativity" know a LOT more about this topic than I do.

Just one more thing...any of you afraid to go to any TPS school, call the school and arrange a visit. You will find that, no matter what the neighborhood may be, that school will be among the safest places to be in that neighborhood.

Dale, I did not disrespect your opinion. I provided facts that counter it.

You stated "Most of those who chose to not be educated, simply don't go to school."

And it's my assertion is if those who don't want to go, don't go, then those who remain behind would benefit twice as much. They would be able to receive more personal instruction through smaller classes and increased teacher availability.

I have then linked two pages that show this has not been the case. So, if your assertion is wrong the fault must be elsewhere.

The problem Dale with the induction training I have vice the schools is there's one mission variable from the schools. Discipline.

When I received a student who was not motivated, there were consequences. That consequence wasn't we ignored them, the consequence is we kicked them out.

When a student struggled, there was still discipline. Those who struggled with education were forced into monitored study hours, where they had to study. If they didn't go to the study hours see the paragraph above.

It is discipline that the public schools are lacking. More so in our inner city because it's believed that a diploma is a kid's "only chance" toward success so the standard is lowered so they can meet it. Life is filled with failure, students need to learn that early because the lesson will be much harder later in life.

I have given you data. You have ignored it and provided only your experience. You are not willing to accept that teachers could be a part of the problem. So you are ignoring half of the equation and thus offer flawed solutions based upon personal conjecture.


The State of Ohio has made it clear that it is nearly impossible to remove a student from a school district for non-attendance. If such students do not get the credits they need, and do not graduate, that reflects negatively upon the graduation rates. That's a FACT, too!

Students who do not attend regularly and fail one or more of the standardized tests, and/or fail to take at least one of those tests, are counted as failures. That affects the test passage rates. That's another FACT!

A student failing to try in a traditional public school may NOT be "kicked out" as you could do to your students. That's yet another FACT!

One school district which actually did switch teachers based upon standardized test scores, was in Rockford, Illinois. It is about half the size of Toledo, not some little village. The test score differentiation is a FACT as well!

And where are all those teachers from other districts lining up to trade jobs with those teaching in central cities? That's no opinion, or "personal conjecture!" It is FACT!

How many more FACTS do you need?
As I said, I show you respect in your field of expertise, and you show me no respect in mine. It's really that simple, Mikey.

The problem is you can factor for attendance in the statistics I provided. It's called statistical weighting. Thus it produces two or more separate bell curves, those who attend and those who do not. If what you say is true the bell curve of those who attend should OUT PERFORM that of other schools for the reasons I have already provided.

"A student failing to try in a traditional public school may NOT be "kicked out" as you could do to your students." This is part of the problem as I have already stated. The teachers and administration need to press for more discipline. Instead teachers try to get them a diploma off of the bare minimum. I witnessed this personally with athletes I came across who did not meet academic standards. Schools with lower graduation rates should be implementing more rules and raising the standards. They are the ones who should create mandatory study hours, stricter dress code, and stricter guidelines. Will more students drop out? Initially I'd say yes, but then it would be the failure of the individual and not the system.

"And where are all those teachers from other districts lining up to trade jobs with those teaching in central cities?" Private school teachers teach for considerably less than their public counterpart. Polls taken of them have shown the reason they work for less is by far discipline.

So as I've stated. The public schools lack discipline. That is what they need all around. Teachers should expect more from the students and we should expect more from the teachers.


There is too much pressure, especially upon school administrators, to NOT suspend disruptive students. That IS a real problem. And it is true that those who teach in private schools are most concerned with teaching students who are NOT severe discipline problems. Percentagewise, significantly fewer private school teachers are considered "highly qualified" by state and federal standards. I was referring more directly to other PUBLIC SCHOOL TEACHERS. I can state that I taught with many teaching colleagues who left teaching in non-public schools because they simply could not pay their bills with the low salaries. One was a former nun, who left her order after being both a teacher and a principal for all of her adult life. By the time she was teaching with me, she had well over 40 years in education and almost no pension! She had some serious health challenges, and was thrilled with the health care coverage she had with TPS. She has now been retired for over 10 years.

Other major factors affect student performance besides attendance. One such factor is the much higher transiency rates in central city schools. One can fairly well predict the ranking of city schools everywhere, not just in Toledo, by the transiency rates at each school. I had many students who came from very challenging family situations, beyond transiency, who became very successful. Too many others did not.

I did my student teaching at a non-public school. One student was accused of breaking into the church and severely damaging the very elaborate church organ. he was kicked out of that school. He attended the public school down the block. I had another student whose mother felt that our elementary school was too hard on her son. He started 7th grade in a non-public school. I saw him while I was helping to chaperone a roller skating night at a local rink. I asked him about his new school, and how he liked it. His mother had pulled him out of that school. He was by then attending the local, TPS junior high school. These are both anecdotal, I know, but they are both real-life situations. I have many more stories.

Anyone else notice a/c didn't respond to this topic? He responds to all the White authors, including me. If that isn't proof he's as racist, or more racist than anyone else here is, I don't know what is. I don't know what purnhrt did to him, possibly nothing other than being a better writer than he is. Make that, a MUCH better writer! I WONDER if he responds to any of Zeys" topics, either? I respond to BOTH of these authors. This matter is something that should be delved into further.

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