Non-Partisan Iraq War Protest this Thursday!

Who: Anti-War Protestors including Ron Johns
What: Iraq War Protest
Where: Intersection of Byrne and Glendale in South Toledo, May use 1515 South Byrne, Toledo, Ohio to locate with a GPS
When: Thursday, June 26th, 4:30pm-6:30pm
Why: See Below

The president is at it again and by the president I do not just mean Obama but the office in general.

Iraq was a problem started by the first Bush and continuing presidents. Poor foreign policy by presidents Democrat and Republican caused blowback overseas which hit home.

Iraq was a mistake when Bush invaded and it will be a mistake if Obama invades again putting even more troops on the ground.

It is time for the Americans citizens from the Anti-War Right & Left to tell President Obama and congress war is not an option, that the US is not meant to be the police of the world and that we are not in for sending our dollars and men/women in the military into a dangerous situation which does not affect us. So far members of the Right including Rand Paul and even Meghan Kelly have denounced the war. On the left the anti-war movement is being championed by former congressman Dennis Kucinich who nearly represented a majority of Toledo. On top of those big names a recent poll by Public Policy Polling showed a whooping 3 out of 4 Americans disagree with re-invading Iraq.

Media please come out to the protest and please note which of the local congressmen and state wide senators give comments on their position on re-invading Iraq. Also please make a note of which disagree with 3 out of 4 Americans.
(A staff member e-mails from Congressman Latta, Congresswoman Kaptur & both Senators were included in the BCC section so they all did receive this email)

Thank you & In Liberty
-Ron

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Ron Johns is nuts. Iraq isn't a problem "started by the first Bush." George H.W. organized the coalition that kicked Saddam's ass out of Kuwait and back to Baghdad in 1991, assuring the sustained flow of oil to industrialized nations. The Iraq "problem" started in 2003. Anti-war protesters should get their history straight.

Patience is a great virtue.

Let's face facts. The entire Middle East is the same bullshit like Latin America. The USA and its First World/Western buddies playing around either outright or behind the scenes in installing whatever government in whatever given nation to sell us shit or do whatever shit we want. Eventually whomever we install either gets deposed or double-crosses us or something and we have to go back their arch-enemy or neighbor or whatever the hell.

Take a look at the history of who we and our major buddies (England/UK and others) were messing around with even well before WWII.

I think we should cut off all foreign aid except for purely humanitarian/emergency reasons (e.g. war relief, natural disaster relief, vaccinations, dislocated persons, disease outbreaks) and to the U.N. Let the freaking U.N. sort shit out. We keep getting dicked over because, and pardon me sounding like a hardcore REPUBLICAN here, we hand out welfare to some people in some foreign country cause they're the enemy of our enemy or some shit, and when we're done getting what we wanted we cut the people off from the USA gravy train/welfare roll, they get pissed off that Johnny American ain't handing them out everything any more, and soon we find they don't like us and then revolt and we're back to square one. We should stop fucking meddling in foreign governments, and we should keep foreign meddlers the hell out of ours. (*cough cough* see also Rupert Murdoch for starters).

Actually, the Arabian peninsula portion of the middle east has moved decidedly to the side of the US. Apparently they saw the Arab Spring as a wake up call that their countries could be trust into civil war and a strong security force was the best way to prevent it.

Since 2011 the following countries have become closer partners with the US: Jordan, Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, and Qatar. Only Oman has not increased it's parnership with the US. These countries have also been becoming more and more western in the last 10 years even with all the threats of terror groups.

F18's haven't been purchased by the US military since 1988. Yet they've never gone out of production. Most of the countries I listed above have been buying them and most of them have been paying cash instead of using aid.

Also with the exception of Qatar, all of those countries gave us support in Iraq and Afghanistan. Qatar has only moved to a decidedly pro-American stance since '11.

MikeyA

America's Allies Are Funding ISIS
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/14/america-s-allies-are-fu...
Quote:
"The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS), now threatening Baghdad, was funded for years by wealthy donors in Kuwait, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia, three U.S. allies that have dual agendas in the war on terror."

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Well then that would fly in the face of Iranian Hegemony then right?

Because if the Arabian peninsula countries are funding the group fighting Iranian hegemony.

The truth is those countries will always do what's in the best interest of their countries. None of those countries are allied to Iran and see them as a Persian threat.

MikeyA

You don't sound like a Republican, AC. You sound like a libertarian preaching the Gospel of Isolationism. In geopolitics, oil matters most and is well worth foreign intervention by the U.S. If it results in keeping U.S.- bound oil tankers filled to the brim, I'm all for helping kings, sheiks, shahs, juntas or whomever stay in charge in what we euphemistically call "strategic locations." I understand the oil fields in Saudi Arabia are lovely this time of the year.

Patience is a great virtue.

I agree with AC on this one. It's time we let Europe, Russia, Germany, France, India and the rest of the neighborhood take charge of this hellhole area. One doesn't have to be a Republican, Democrat, Tea Bagger, Communist, or completely apolitical to see what's going on. It's not a problem starting from the end of WW2, either. Try going back farther, like to the time people first began settling there. I don't know who will fill the vacuum when we fully deploy OUT of the area, and I don't much care.

This latest group, isis, is also on the march in Africa as well. The way I see it, we no longer have the luxury of wasting time with discussions like: " is Bush in bed with the SaudiS? " Was Reagan heartless?", or " is Bill Clinton a liar?" This modern blitzkrieg would have made Hitler proud---IMHO. Good post, AC.

I don't care who fills the vacuum either as long as they're contained in the regional insane asylum we call the Middle East and as long as the flow of oil to the U.S. continues uninterrupted. If there is a threat to our liquid gold, I'd ask why the hell do we have tens of thousands of American troops still stationed in Japan, Germany and South Korea? Ain't no oil in them parts. In the future, wars may be fought over access to fresh water. In our time, the indispensable commodity is oil.

Patience is a great virtue.

Well maybe if we got off our fucking asses and worked on ENDING DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN ENERGY *and* we did it by CONSERVING WHAT OIL WE GOT LEFT HERE, we could get the fuck out of the area and NOT have to panic every time a member of any given religious or ethnic group throws a rock ad a member of a different religious or ethnic group over there.

But the GOP Puppetmasters have got the Republitards and TeaTards brainwashed on DRILL BABY DRILL and how we can't have solar/wind/geothermal, and heaven forbid, NUCLEAR power.

And I don't want to sidetrack this discussion but I would feel a lot better if we decommissioned UNSAFE plants with UNSAFE track records like Davis-Besse and fucking built BRAND NEW designs with all the redundancies we've learned, with better materials, and MASSIVE OVERSIGHT AND INSPECTIONS. Especially if we figured out better ways of dealing with the waste (reprocessing!) and even gave up on this uranium design and went to thorium reactors.

BTW how about my supposedly LLLLLLiberal ass wanting MORE NUKES? Oh shit there went another big chunk of all y'all's argument that AC is a LLLLiberal pinko commie.

So who goes all the way they can to PREVENT any new reactors from being built?

Who said anything about panicking? Recall, please, when George H.W. Bush, the most recent president to earn the esteem of people at home and abroad, coolly, calmly and methodically won the "Mother of all Battles" in Kuwait to secure the continued flow of oil to America, freeing the people of the emirate to boot. Wise himself, Bush surrounded himself with smart people who realized that continuing the campaign into Iraq and toppling Saddam's regime would unleash ferocious forces that could destabilize the entire region. I really miss that kind of presidential leadership. Power and restraint.
I think most of us are in favor of energy conservation, AC, both in how we lead our individual lives and in supporting intelligent government policy. But our best efforts won't come close to greatly reducing our need to consume millions of barrels of oil every day.
I can't pump nuclear power into my car's tank and nukes aren't a substitute for its engine lubricants.

Patience is a great virtue.

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