Two must read stories on Obama's foreign policy

Dick and Liz Cheney's op-ed in the Wall Street Journal:

As the terrorists of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) threaten Baghdad, thousands of slaughtered Iraqis in their wake, it is worth recalling a few of President Obama's past statements about ISIS and al Qaeda. "If a J.V. team puts on Lakers' uniforms that doesn't make them Kobe Bryant" (January 2014). "[C]ore al Qaeda is on its heels, has been decimated" (August 2013). "So, let there be no doubt: The tide of war is receding" (September 2011).

Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is "ending" the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—as though wishing made it so. His rhetoric has now come crashing into reality. Watching the black-clad ISIS jihadists take territory once secured by American blood is final proof, if any were needed, that America's enemies are not "decimated." They are emboldened and on the march.


Ernest Hemingway observed that people went broke gradually at first then all of a sudden. Barack Obama’s career, for so long without visible means of support, has now moved onto the “all of sudden stage” of bankruptcy.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, an al-Qaeda affiliated front of Muslims, have followed up their lightning seizure of Mosul by taking Tikrit, the former stronghold of Saddam Hussein.

I am sure both authors would love or if they knew about the quality staff there.

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Dickhead Cheney is the second-to-last person in the country who should be allowed to say or write one damn word about Iraq.

Patience is a great virtue.

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"Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many."
sounds like it could apply more to the Bush/ Cheney administration.

We are going to learn from history and not forget who got us into this mess, right?

OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT NOW, LOL -- "Domestic Terrorist On Meth"

Of course Obama's casualty count is nowhere near that of the Bush-Cheney beast.

While I'm at it, don't forget that we were ASKED to GTFO Iraq by the Iraqi administration, that Obama was threatened with impeachment if he put boots on the ground in Syria, etc. etc. so the only thing Obama's been wrong about in my book is letting the GOP walk all over him instead of calling a press conference, laying it all out on the table complete with video clips of prominent Republicans telling him how to do everything and then complaining when he does what they want, and then telling them all to do what Dick Cheney told Sen. Leahy to do ON THE FLOOR OF THE SENATE, which was "go fuck yourself" for those Republicans here who seem to have a problem with the use of the F-word yet failed to condemn their idol for using.

Foreign policy is causing this administration to implode.

They now have Democrats in the Senate openly combatting their fellow Dem pundits who are trying to spin in the administrations favor on foreign policy.

The President lacks a coherent and comprehensive foreign policy. It's essentially a flavor of the month. When it comes time to lick a flavor he doesn't like he backs down.


Mikey, you're veering off the topic. As long as the discussion was strictly about current events, criticism of the Obama Administration would be fine. But by writing for the WSJ, Cheney is putting himself on the witness stand and opening himself up to cross-examination. If I were a juror, I'd vote to send the bastard to Guantanamo Bay and apply enough torture until he reveals everything he knew about the planning for the 2003 terror attack on Iraq.

Patience is a great virtue.


Don, it is not off topic. The post is about the President's foreign policy or lack thereof.

I am not defending Mr. Cheney, his position, or his past. What I am discussing is the current problems and the President's reactions.

The President has not acted in a manner that is consistent with what he has publicly stated. He is opinion is not respected by foreign government or terrorist leaders because of his actions such as the Bergdahl release. The administration then attacks others for criticism of his policy and attempts to deflect when the results of his foreign policy shown.

In the realm of foreign policy the Bergdahl release and the ISIS are linked. If you don't think the ISIS would now love to get ahold of a US soldier or high ranking diplomat in order to negiotiate the release of other terrorists you are sorely mistaken.


Then start another thread. This one's on the former Vice Fuck-Up, not the release of a POW 11 years later. And if you choose to mention Cheney again, please don't use the undeserved "Mr." in front of his surname. I'm guessing you were a grade-schooler back then and have no first-hand recall of the Bush-Cheney "there's a terrorist on every corner" strategy used to launch possibly the bloodiest, most costly military misadventure in American history.

Patience is a great virtue.

to tell anyone to start another thread. As far as "underserved" "Mr', not applying to Cheney, you can apply the use of it for Obama as well. And whatever war is next, it will cost more then the last one.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

It is appropriate for me to refer to the former Vice President as Mr. and I will do so if I choose.

I refer to the former administrations and the current administration with respect. I have respect for the posts they've held even if I lack it for them personally and thus I will not demean the office through disrespect.

I do not have to start a new thread because the original thread is on foreign policy and my posts were about foreign policy.

I was already an adult when Mr. Cheney took his highest office as it regards to my age. And yes, I fully remember the times and push to war.


If you remember the times well, then you are a very forgiving young man. But I cannot hold in such high esteem the men whose combined lying, deceit, stupidity, arrogance and fear-mongering resulted in the deaths of 4,489 Americans in Iraq. It is good to know that in the future, you will use honorifics ahead of the names of the current president, vice president and members of their administration.

Patience is a great virtue.

Dick needs to stop sneering at the American people, drop to his knees and start praying for forgiveness for his part in all that has, and will happen in Iraq. He's a war criminal all the way. He even knew Iraq would fail, but did it anyway. Now, the ass wants to blame Obama. This video has a little Dick history we should all try to remember.

Saddam, while a fucking shitbag dick-tater, was the counterweight to the Ayatollah's Shia government. Dick and Bush got together and fucked up the entire power-balance over there.

What did we hear from the Conservatards when we screamed that fucking around over there was a FUCKING STUPID IDEA? Oh yeah, we were called traitorous America-hating terrorist-lovers who wanted to weaken America and shit like that.

Oh, but now that the GOP's not in the White House and Obama has to clean up the aftermath of Yet Another Great Desert Adventure, sending in troops is "a fucking stupid idea" and anyone who wants to is a warmonger etcetera and the GOP will impeach Obama if he puts boots on the ground.

It's true, the Conservatards refuse to learn from or even acknowledge history other than those little bits they've revised and officially written into the GOP approved "A Brief History of the Republican Party" brochure. It's the Internet Age, you dumbfucks, anything you say or do will be recorded, copied, bookmarked, and later Googled to be used against you when you try to deny it. Every time you fail to acknowledge it you just open yourselves up to lose more credibility. Jon Stewart makes a fortune making fun of these assholes every night on The Daily Show, catching them saying all this shit and then digging the tape out of the archives where they said the EXACT OPPOSITE, and he doesn't just do it to Republicans, either. We had EIGHT FUCKING YEARS of how if we didn't support the President, or at least the OFFICE, we were all America-hating terrorist-loving commies or some shit like that, and then suddenly at noon on January 20th, 2009, the entire GOP started their character assassination on Obama, nothing was off limits, and so much for supporting a "President in wartime" or "respecting the Office, if not the man." See also the repeated Birtherism attacks from DTOM and FG here on this site amongst many other attacks. But boy if you were critical of Dubya while Dubya was in office, the same Conservatard assholes would attempt to tear you a new one.

If it makes you feel any better, one of the biggest right wing fools, Glenn Beck, is now saying he was wrong about going into Iraq. That's a start, but wouldn't it have been better if he had done a more balanced show featuring the ideas of both left and right? In other words, he should have used his media for good, instead of just pumping out the right wing nut job talking points.

That's a sign of the coming schism in the GOP, where the populists/Teabaggers like Glenn Beck go (more) isolationist while the neocons and corporate Republicans want the military-industrial complex to get all that I-can't-believe-it's-not Socialism government cash to build bombers and tanks and shit for another war.

These dumb ass right wingers on here act like the 8 years the Bush Admin. destroyed this country never happened. They invaded Two countries without congress ever declaring war.
Thousands of American lives and a Trillion dollars for nothing. All it did was make a few rich people richer.
Dick Chaney parents named him right.

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