IRS Has 'Lost' Two Years of Lois Lerner's Emails.

Now that's some funny shit. Not a Smidgen of Corruption at the IRS?
Sic the NSA on them. They are stored in the cloud.

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Watch em, they'll conveniently lose more...

There's not a SMIDGEN of Evidence, or What Difference Does It Make.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Lois' emails showed up in my spam folder about eight months ago. I noticed "tea party" in the subject lines and figured they were right-wing pitches for donations, so I permanently emptied the folder.

Patience is a great virtue.

But you didn't permanently get rid of them. Just like The Tea Party

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Obama has based a political career on betting on two things:

1) The ignorance of the American people

2) The mainstream media protecting him

He hasn't been let down yet.

Apparently the people she sent emails to had their computers crash as well... or they checked their email at her computer.


Perhaps she took a cue from Karl Rove, Sarah Palin and other Republicans and never used her government email, choosing instead to do govt. business by a Yahoo or Hotmail account instead.

Well in that case her computer crashing doesn't matter... oh wait... it doesn't in this one either.

This is just the administration delaying because there's something it wants kept hidden.


Hey Mikey, let's hear you criticize the Chimpy McFlightsuit admin over their missing emails before you throw more stones. Or are you just going to ignore that?

The current President is Barack Hussein Obama, not George W. Bush. What has your President done in his 6 years, except help tear down the foundations of this country. Bush started the decline, Obama has accelerated it.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Data retention policies at the IRS allegedly allow this to happen. For one computer, it's easily understandable. I've heard online that it's a 6-month rotating backup at the mail server; anything older than 6 months gets over-written on the DAT units. And any overflow in your mailbox (due to having too many emails) is stored on your computer itself (on the hard disk), not the server, hence escapes the notice of the backup policies of the IRS.

But... all seven computers? Now that's the really suspicious thing.

It could be that Lerner and her conspirators intentionally setup their email systems so that it was all locally stored, and even deleted per an automated schedule. Of course, that's all egregiously violating the data policies of the IRS, even federal law.

spoliation of evidence.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Either apologize for Bush or shut up, hypocrites. Or just shut up with your jealousy of the Dems "resorting to your tactics" or "copycatting" you.

This scandal was government controlled, and the computers were destroyed. Explain that Ac. You’re the one who is constantly talking about what should be admitted to, and taking responsibility for. Look in the mirror and say, I ‘am a hypocrite.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

So when the GOP diverts government business emails onto a private server owned by them and the emails go missing, it's okay? Figures, party of Nixon and all that, GOP can do no wrong and nothing they do wrong is worth investigating!

was right. The partisan debates we all have here are a microcosm of the overall ideology of what's going on in the country, pass and present. Both parties put on a show for the people, and are two peas in a pod. The GOP in a lot of instances are just as bad as the Dems. Take Chris Christie for example, he echo's the same rhetorical statement that the Dems use when a scandal is involved. I'm moving on, its over. So, Ac, how our we all going to correct the problems of the last two Presidencies, so that it won't happen in the next one? Remember we are part of The People, not the Government. What flows down to us from the top affects all of us, one way, or the other, regardless of who is in office.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

AC's bad behavior seems to stem from a childhood of blaming others. His excuse for anything Obama does wrong is that some Republican did it before. This is probably the same excuse he used as a child when caught doing something wrong "but mom paul did it too" or "mom paul did it and no one said anything" "how come paul didn't get spanked" "paul's parents don't care if he does it" (the paul referred to in this post is my brother paul in case you are wondering) it's an established pattern of behavior that AC repeats each time Democrats are caught.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

No, my problem is that you had the better part of 8 years either with complete Republican control or a pile of pussy-ass Dems ready to roll over and do whatever Bush asked, and during that entire time all this stuff happened and anyone who dared ask for an investigation let alone point it out at the time was demonized by your side. Now whenever anyone inside the Obama administration so much as burps or fails to say "bless you" when the GOP sneezes, there's a BREAKING NEWS FLASH on Fox News, Limbaugh and Beck take to the air, and you're on here posting about it. After having seen Clinton get impeached over a blowjob, the rampant cronyism (appointing a horse judge to head FEMA etc.) and corruption under Bush including lying to get in a war, and so forth, the only thing that MIGHT get me to even THINK about voting for the GOP would be IF any GOP candidate had the brass balls to call out their leadership for their behavior. Unfortunately, that probably won't happen until the end-stages of the continuing schism, since the only calling out is by radical right-wingers who are either corrupt or bigoted as all hell calling out the less-radical GOP brethren as not being conservative enough. You guys don't want to take responsibility for getting into Iraq in the first place, or cutting funding for anything, or any other contributions to why things are the way they are. It sure would be nice if you guys would actually adequately fund the government, AND be responsible and ethical enough to not direct the money to your earmarked, half-assed, brother-in-law's shady outfit to revamp the IRS's computers or repave the roads or whatever the hell. I'm not saying that the Dems are any less guilty of this by any means, but I just got done watching the Bush years of around TWO TRILLION DOLLARS being blown on two half-assed wars including LITERAL PALLETLOADS OF CASH being shipped off followed by Obama taking office and suddenly the GOP turning into fiscal hawks of the SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING sort... except the defense spending they loved. So, having had to deal with Corporate and some Government IT, I'm not surprised emails have gone missing because of course IT costs money, good security and data retention costs money, and the Republican attitude towards the IRS has been to cut off every penny they can from it with the hope of killing off the IRS. Well, you got exactly what you paid for, so feel free to shut the fuck up since you're responsible for the situation.

you're going to blame the lost e-mails on cuts and costs? Really.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Yup. Good IT and backups cost money, and it is my experience that when cuts start being made, IT gets put on the chopping block quickly because in most corporate and government entities, it's always seen as an EXPENSE rather than a revenue source or utility. Hell, that's why your fellow Republicans are so keen to hand out H1B visas like candy: it's a way to import and hire some foreigner who will work for half of what they'd have to pay an American to do the IT job that they can't quite figure out how to move offshore. Just write up the job to make it appear no Americans are qualified then get the "ideal" foreign candidate in the pipeline and get him a H1B visa.

The IRS gave out $89 million in bonuses last year.


How many other companies would you like to have cited that paid out bonuses while losing money, or that paid out more in bonuses than they made?

Of course, when companies do that sort of thing it is HOLY CAPITALISM for them to cut jobs and benefits for the peons while giving the savings to the executives. Why oh why should government be any different? You want government to compete with the marketplace, Mr. Republican! So stop your bitching!

Today I learned the IRS is a company and not a bureaucracy. Maybe we should stop buying what they're selling. I know I'm not buying it.


Lois learner and 6 other direct recipients of her e-mails, i.e. (hard drives) gone, and recycled. I get that hard drives crash ect. Why are they not retrievable from the servers or other data storage?

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Because they weren't stored on the servers because everyone's favorite email solution, Microsoft Exchange and Outlook, is usually configured for something like a 500 MB mailbox size limit on the server then when that is hit they like to use "Personal Folders" stored on the *local PC's hard drive* (and stupidly by default Outlook creates new Personal Folders there instead of on a network share, particularly because Personal Folders are not designed for or supported on network shares anyhow).

Sorry if that is too technical for your thick head.


Is that the same situation for taxpayers? Also, that seems to be an epic fail for a professional government organization. Why do you have to be cynical, the remark below your post. If you can't be civil without that, then I will respond in kind.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Unless you're paying for good IT with lots and lots of archival storage, Exchange/Outlook has been pretty much the same setup wherever I've encountered it. A mailbox on server of some limited size and then offload old emails into "Personal Folder Files" somewhere. I'm not saying that I know whatever happened at the IRS, only that it's plausible that stuff went missing because of crashes. You can have redundant storage arrays and so forth and still lose everything because the right number of disks failed at the same time or the controller's been writing garbage or the configuration was set up wrong from the start or any number of stupid things just on the server/administrator side alone. Let's not get into what happens on the end user side when you're either dealing with the typical Level 1 Helpdesk Idiot (nobody wants to pay for GOOD Helpdesk, they want to pay for CHEAP outsourced morons who get burned out and have more turnover than your area fast food franchise jobs) or the end user themselves who do whatever they feel like regardless of policy, protocol, documented process, etc. particularly because they don't want to deal with all the pain-in-the-ass security measures and run-around.

Here's what happens when security meets reality: The nuclear launch codes on ALL THE NUCLEAR MISSILES was "00000000" for TWENTY YEARS.

Keep in mind your average Congressman wouldn't know a hard drive from a DIMM, particularly not that dumbshit grandstanding confidential-info-leaking ass Issa. What I've bothered to read or hear about the IRS has been plausible, especially given the typical adage of "never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity".

technical aspect of your post, but the loss was only inclusive to Learner's e-mails and to the primary recipients. So, you're saying the e-mails are lost in folders or cyberspace, and are not recoverable under any circumstances, anywhere.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

No, I'm not. They can recover emails she sent to others by looking at other inboxes etc., but if they were on the hard drive of her PC or on something on which the backup failed, well good luck.

All exchange servers in the government have to be backed up.

It's either 10 or 7 years, before those server drives can be destroyed. I know because I've done investigations on individuals where we have pulled up emails from 7 years prior where an individual was on a totally different coast.


technical for me. When I get in over my head computer-wise, I get my daughter to help me. She has a degree in Computer Art and Graphic Design. She has a work history as a website designer and as computer programmer. She has also illustrated a children's book that is supposed to be published soon.
Got her talent and her intelligence from her mother. [I guess those who read here regularly really didn't need that obvious piece of information.]

Those emails are stored in PST files. Generally in government work the PST files are stored on shared drives. Shared drives are considerably larger than hard drives.

It is US law that the email exchange server must MUST keep a backup. That means... .someone broke the law.


Okay, so when do we go after the Bush White House for their missing emails? Why is this stuff only an issue when emails go missing under Democrats?

Those emails were misfiled. They were ultimately found and were not destroyed.

Willful destruction of government documents is a criminal offense. Remember it's the only offense Oliver North was convicted of.



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