Hey everyone, DTOM thinks ONLY HOMEOWNERS pay for school levies!

Here it is, the crowning moment of stupid: http://swampbubbles.com/20140518/what-do-you-know-about-vietnam#comment-...

That's right, in DTOM-world, commerical property doesn't get assessed for school levies and landlords don't ever pass on the costs to renters.

Everyone laugh at the dumbass!

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Look front page postings from the Anonymous Coward, The one who whined like a little girl to Chris. He felt this posting was like hitting the lottery because I used the word "ONLY". This is one funny demented fellow..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Hypocritical how? Fred can call people names in front-page posts and nothing is said or done about it, so either I can too, or that makes Chris and whomever else has an issue with what I do a hypocrite. Dumbass.

Your grammar and sentence structure "so either I can too, or that makes Chris and whomever else has an issue" Oh! the (ginormous whiny pussy belongs to you).

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"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

I agree with AC that everyone laughs at the dumbass, and many are laughing at him right now. Businesses do indeed pay property tax which they then in turn pass along in higher costs for services rendered. Landlords are locked into lease agreements in most cases and can't pass along levy costs until leases expire at which time renters will often leave if rent is increased to meet the increased levy costs.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Thank you, Fred. Gross stupidity like DTOM's, especially when it's denied, really makes me loathe and detest "all things conservative", which admittedly is unfair. When someone on the right wing has the balls to step up and tell a fellow right-winger that they're not only wrong but blatantly so, it restores my hope that something like sanity and rationality will return to the right-wingers in time.

He was correcting YOU dumbass....

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Ya been, stick a round you will get a kick out of this Ac fellow...

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Sock puppets don't impress me much....I see wolfboy is still stalking fred like a jilted lover...punhurts is still race baiting....hysterical mike is still full of shit...G spot is still cumming....LOL

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

and speaking of sock puppets, DTOM is Linecrosser in disguise.

Like I give a shit?

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Of course not, it's not wrong if it's done by your side, obviously. This is also why your account came out of the woodwork after 35 weeks of dormancy, obviously. I gather DTOM started shitting his pants and whacked the red alert button to summon more right-wing nuts to his defense after being caught out being incredibly stupid or something like that.

Wow you are that paranoid?...you had to check out my profile and look at my last log in?...you actually think I was contacted and asked to post?

that's precious...

No dumbass...I was just lurking and decided to log in to spend my two cents...this place got pretty stale with the same old libtards spouting the same party line and supporting Obama no matter what he does.......your childish finger pointing act is hilarious...

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Has already threatened to get his lawyers on Chris,and I missed a citation and this joker emailed the site to report me. This is what progressives do when they can`t keep up with other views other than their own,especially this piece of work.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Fred's post, and your post Ac.. LOL, LOL

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

this one is. Of course, you have stated that you post anything to increase ratings. I guess such statements, even if they are fundamentally fallacious, help you keep and increase listeners.
Apartment owners almost ALWAYS pass on higher property taxes in the form of higher rents. Renters almost ALWAYS stay. The increases per month are only a few dollars. For example, if you own a "4 family" and you increase rents $10.00 per month, you raise $480.00 per year, usually easily more than the increase in property taxes to the owner. And, practically speaking, apartment owners often raise rents ABOVE what the actual costs of the increased property taxes are. It's a good excuse to make more money. And, I do have actual, real life experience in this area. Both my father and one of my uncles had rental property. I helped with both.
As far as leases are concerned, they usually are one year at a time, and the property tax increases don't have to be paid for several months after they are passed. For instance, the Swanton School levy passed. Since it was NOT passed as an "emergency" levy, no money from it may be collected until 2015, even though it was passed in May, 2014. So, your statement about leases is grossly misleading at best. And leases can be written to take into account increases in property taxes within the lease time period. This is more likely to be in leases that are more long term than one year at a time.
Now, I also worked in my father's business for 15 years. Unless one has quite a large business, the cost per month of property taxes does not constitute a make-it-or-break-it situation for businesses. As far as passing along the increases to customers, I cannot speak for all businesses. I can only state that my father and I NEVER IN FIFTEEN YEARS discussed how a property tax increase would require us to increase ONE PRICE ON ANYTHING. Our prices were affected by the costs of purchasing merchandise for resale, and the "going rates" for repair work around the Greater Toledo area.

Perhaps you can show us on a federal or state income tax form where a renter can get credit for paying property taxes.

Nope...renters pay rent....landlords pay taxes.

And any business that doesn't figure it's tax burden into the overhead isn't going to last 15 months....much less 15 years.

I'm calling BS on your second hand knowledge of how your dad ran his books.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

Money is fungible. I pay rent, the rent I pay goes to the landlord who pays the tax bill he owes. if I go to the store, I buy goods and services, the store owner takes his profit and out of that comes taxes. Is this that hard to fucking understand?

bullshit......you pay your rent or you GTFO.......claiming perks for other things you do not pay for is totally libtard.

“Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.”

I'd say Fred's post specifically called out business and my inference is that he is discussing business in general. I will say that in my years of working, I've rarely seen a commercial lease of one year. The majority are at a minimum of three years.

And in figuring out how much to charge for the term of the lease, a wise landlord will do some math and make a guess at how much taxes will be over that period, no? Just like if they include water/sewer, or electricity, or whatever, in that lease, they'll try to work out the costs of that in advance?

Or

They will build increases into the lease to allow for increases based on their cost increases.

Another aspect is the CAM (common area maintenance) charge. With this, the real estate tax (or a portion thereof) are passed directly to the lessee.

(& also added a few items to what I know about this personally).

We have a friend who has been renting in Oregon for several years. Some years ago (don't recall the year) the property manager of his complex sent a letter to all renters in that large complex. It was very polite, but basically said if the then-current school tax levy was approved, the company would have no choice but to raise rents. It was put a little differently in order to remain legal, one assumes. But that was the basic meaning of the letter. That levy was VERY unpopular also among elderly residents who owned homes in Oregon, and was voted down.

The complex in question has always done very good maintenance, as do all of the apt complexes in Oregon, as far as I can see. That, of course costs money. Apt. complexes add very nicely to the tax base of communities in which they are located, as do the numerous other businesses.

You are also correct that people do not move due to just a small rent increase, if they like their complex and neighbors. At the old Glass City Jungle, there was a gal who constantly got on and complained that renters don't pay property taxes, while the truth is that renters pay those taxes as incorporated into their monthly rents. What they don't get is equity on their apartments, or a line on their income tax form where they can take a "rent" (as opposed to mortgage) deduction.

Your very real example is a very common scenario.

Once again, I must point out the real problem here. Regressive property taxes are an archaic means for funding education. Property taxation goes back to the beginnings of our country when most people of wealth had most of their wealth in the form of property. The idea that our Founding Fathers were not interested in fairness is ludicrous. Most of them were wealthy landowners but they understood the responsibility that great wealth required of patriotic citizens. They were willing to pay their fair share to help society as a whole.
In our modern world, great wealth is reflected mostly in remuneration to top executives [and top entertainers, including professional athletes] and in the return on investments in equity markets. The fairest form of taxation today is a graduated income tax. Too many modern Americans of great wealth work consistently to reduce all progressive taxes. What has happened in Ohio is the wealthiest Ohioans have elected officials who have reduced the progressive income tax burden, increased the regressive sales tax, and slashed money for local governments, including traditional public schools. In order to properly fund local schools, Ohioans are asked to raise their local property taxes. Not only is this unfair on its face, it exacerbates the difference in the resources available to local schools depending upon where one lives. Citizens should not be forced to either increase the unfair property taxes, or have poorly funded local services, including local schools.
Thank you, Governor Sick.

DTOM, Now you're getting paranoid.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Your username changed once already here, Linecrosser.

paranoid, and demented. You have been conspiring with FG, haven't you. I have to go now. before I go I'll sic GZ and Mikey on you...

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Weren't you fully spelled out as DontTreadOnMe at one point?

Yes but also Mr.Independent was wolfman, fredtheentertainer was fred.

People change their nicknames all the time.

It's when they try to create new monikers in addition to their normal posting and then pass that new moniker off as a different person that it becomes a problem.

So you suggest that Linecrosser and DTOM are the same person. To that I will show the following links:

http://swampbubbles.com/20130501/ch-lasse-die-fotos

http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/mrindependent/20130426/rise-right-wing-rad...

These are where they post in the same stories. At one point they both take on wolfman but other than that I don't see much to show that they are one in the same. Meaning I don't see a synchronized effort to attack someone or to push the opinion of either above another.

If you see something else AC let me know and we can look at it.

MikeyA

When did you become the site admin in charge of looking for sockpuppets?

be the administrator. So beware..

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

This is what our tax dollars get, a MikeyA the marine sitting around trolling the internet. Please all you Libertarians out there stop this insanity!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Someone explain to me how any government employee sitting around on the clock and/or using government resources to say anything bad about conservatism or the GOP or to look for things like conservatives making threats against the President or possible campaign finance violations or whatever is a scandal and a waste of taxpayer money but when a government employee does it to "LLLLiberalism" or Democrats it's the most bang for the buck the government has gotten EVER?

"landlords don't ever pass on the costs to renters"

That's correct, they don't.

The reason for that is obvious once you have a professional assist you in performing a radical craniorectalectomy: Taxes and costs are only paid by those who owe them.

Because if you assert that a tenant is the proper payer of the property taxes on the residence he's renting, then with equal logic your employer is paying your bills, not you.

To get around these absurdities, one must abandon the stupidity of assigning payment to subordinate payers. Landlords pay property taxes, not tenants. And employees pay their bills, not their employers.

Thank you all for this opportunity to set you all straight for a change. I'll be back if you want to get slapped around a bit more. There's always more GuestZero to go around.

If that's true then if I'm renting an apartment I should always vote for the school levies because my rent will NEVER EVER GO UP DUE TO INCREASED TAXES.

Oh wait, that doesn't happen in real life, it just happens in GZ-land.

only bloviates nonsense.
Remember, GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass:
No credentials.
No facts.
Only vacuous opinion.

Real life examples, not anecdotes- Cleveland Plain Dealer "Can you raise the rent equivalent to the amount of the [tax] increase? Probably not," said Ralph McGreevy, executive vice president of the Northeast Ohio Apartment Association. "Rents aren't necessarily dictated by the expenses of the landlord. There's only so much rent you can get out of the space."

Property owners like Nermin Milak, who owns three two-family homes near Interstate 480 on the West Side, doubt tenants will pay any of the increase.

"It probably will cost me," he said. "It's hard to rent nowadays. People are struggling to pay the bills and the rent is low."
Read the entire article here- http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/10/clevelands_proposed_sch...

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

or liars. Absorb the costs? Give me a break!
Any business person worth his or her salt figures ALL costs in before setting prices of ANYTHING. In real estate, property taxes are a significant part of the costs of doing business.
If the real estate market is so poor, the owners should have:
1. Purchased the property at a very low price, and/or
2. Have their property re-evaluated as the property values dropped and paid a net lower amount on a lowered evaluation, even with a millage increase.

That leads us to part of the problem of cutting taxes at the state level, and slashing state money to local entities including traditional public schools. As I pointed out in another post, when I first started teaching in Toledo, the TPS district was the second richest in Lucas County in evaluation of property per pupil. About 15 years later, because of the loss of so many industrial and commercial businesses, TPS became the poorest school district in Lucas County by this same measure. Pushing costs down to the local level must translate into a greater disparity among various taxing entities. Yes...I'm going to say it. This is not fair. But fairness is not only NOT a goal of most elected conservatives, both the word itself and the concept are considered taboo in the conservative world.

Dale, you forgot to mention the injurious impact that white flight had on Toledo's tax base and the TPS slide to the rank of poorest district in Lucas County. I seem to recall a white school teacher and his wife moving from their home on Lewis Avenue to Sylvania so that they could be among people who looked like themselves. If only we had a law requiring teachers and other public employees to reside in the cities where they work ... But go ahead and lay all the blame on migrating businesses and ignore your own contribution to Toledo's demise. Being a Democrat means never having to say you're accountable.

Patience is a great virtue.

We currently live in an integrated neighborhood. We have lived here since BEFORE I became a teacher in TPS. Our children never attended an all-white school.

As I stated, we bought the only home we have ever owned because of the economic deterioration we saw in other urban school districts. We wanted our children, who were born years AFTER we moved, to attend a school district with the monetary ability to function well. Our decision had NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on decisions by companies, large and small, to close in Toledo. If you want to punish us for having foresight, go right ahead.

even in the face of proof liberals will deny what they see.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

probably not see increases. Most would. Read what you post thoroughly. And if someone is still holding an asset of any kind which is costing them money, and they have received no revenue from it for three years, why are they keeping that asset? In economics, this is called "opportunity cost." Get something out of the asset, or let it go, and invest the money you were putting into an empty investment to work in something productive.

In addition, if the property has been empty for three years, the assessed value, and therefore the property tax bill, should be tiny. If not, why has the owner not appealed the assessed value? We once appealed the assessed value of our home when real estate values were rising [during the Clinton boom years] and won. Our property taxes were lowered significantly. And no...we didn't hire an attorney to represent us. Nor did we hire an accountant to help us with the appeal. I did it all myself, using the county auditor's own figures for the selling price of comparable houses in our neighborhood.

Many landlords will keep the under performing unit to generate a loss, helping to offset other rental income and thus helping to reduce taxable income.

And when that doesn't work, the liberals begin to break down into "screaming spells", which are pretty much hilarious.

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