Beware of HR 3717

Here we go with another big Pharma and Federal agenda, with more psychiatric treatment to the public.
Remember the phrase, "Never let a good tragedy go to waste" This agenda will flood the public with the new wave in controlling mental disabilities, and so called mental disabilities, in the name of Sandy Hook, Aurora, and other shootings that were associated to mental illnesses. But, it’s all in the name of helping families and to diagnose mental illnesses early. Why of course.
No need for citation my words, Google HR 3717 for more info. And search a little deeper than the warm and fuzzy feelings that this is to help families and prevent more mental health shootings only.

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Seems like they should have called it the Making Government Even Bigger For No Fucking Reason Act of 2013.

Wail until Common Core is accepted.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

"Herpa derp derp herp derp potato." -- DTOM

You have no idea what Common Core is, just that you're against it because the nice people on Fox News Channel are against it as well as the people on the radio you listen to.

I know it goes like this, its voluntary, If you like local control over your schools; you can keep it, Period. If you like your local curriculum, you can keep it, Period. Yeah Ac, that's right, it’s another Washington federal power bureaucracy grab just like Obama Care, and it’s not voluntary. It’s a dove tail from No Child Left Behind in the form of waivers and state bribery. It’s nothing more than indoctrination. The Federal government has been involved for how long, 40 or 50 years now, and the results in tests scores have not improved. So explain to me how Common Core is going to correct the failures of the curriculum by combining the SAT and the ACT genius?

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Hi, I'm DTOM here with another pile of complete and utter bullshit!

http://www.corestandards.org/about-the-standards/development-process/

The state-led effort to develop the Common Core State Standards was launched in 2009 by state leaders, including governors and state commissioners of education from 48 states, two territories and the District of Columbia, through their membership in the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO).

YEAH LOOK AT THAT FEDERAL INVOLVEMENT!

Moron.

AC, are we to believe governors from 48 states all woke up one day and decided to overhaul their state curriculums, and that the subsequent plans coincidentally turned out to be virtually identical? Or was it perhaps someone from Washington who whispered in their ears and reminded them that tons of education cash come their way only with approval of the federal government?

Patience is a great virtue.

So what you're saying is, "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!"

You know, there is a simple economic reason for the states to cooperate.

Textbook prices.

If everyone uses the same textbook everywhere, the price goes down dramatically.

But no, IT'S A CONSPIRACY!

Also, don't forget that Corporate America is Common Core's biggest proponent, more so than government- local or federal. A lot of big companies are in favor of Common Core because they think it will improve the work force. The idea is that higher standards will mean better educated employees. States could very well have the incentive to please companies they are trying to attract.

I haven't decided if I like Common Core or not; I would like to hear more about it, but I'm pretty certain it wasn't started as a plot to give the government more power over our children. I think things like the Patriot Act are more Orwellian than Common Core will ever be.

Common Core is standardization of the whole curriculum. Standardization is a good thing.

The problem is Common Core uses the tests for the purposes of advancement focusing on the shortcomings of one student. Instead Common Core tests should be used not for individual students but classrooms to identify problems within the curriculum and advancement should not rely upon the student's advancements. If we rid it of the advancement then less "teaching to the test" will occur.

This holds the student accountable for possible problems within the curriculum. In corporate America, standardization does not cause employees to get fired, rather it changes processes and refines them.

MikeyA

A federal control agenda, just like Obama Care

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

A federal control agenda, just like Obama Care

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

A federal control agenda, just like Obama Care

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

DTOM. So retarded he had to claim Common Core is not a conspiracy not once, not twice, but THREE times.

I didn't say it was a conspiracy. You really should stop leaping to unfounded conclusions to try to enflame a thread. Your behavior is troll-like.

Patience is a great virtue.

"AC, are we to believe governors from 48 states all woke up one day and decided to overhaul their state curriculums, and that the subsequent plans coincidentally turned out to be virtually identical? Or was it perhaps someone from Washington who whispered in their ears and reminded them that tons of education cash come their way only with approval of the federal government?"

"I didn't say it was a conspiracy."

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Call it what you like. I prefer typical operating procedure in place since the federal government assumed control of funding for agriculture, transportation, education, health, and any number of programs for which the states risk a cutoff if they don't play by Washington's rules.

Patience is a great virtue.

It'd be confused with the Making Government Even Bigger For No Fucking Reason Act of 2001, except that particular act is known as the PATRIOT Act.

I can't argue with that. I'll have to add "Ver. 2" to the 2013 one.

I really REALLY hope you were in opposition to the PATRIOT Act at the time, GZ, and didn't give the LLLLLiberals shit for opposing it. Then I might have a very tiny modicum of respect for you. I didn't want Chimpy or anyone else to have all those powers and Obama's use of it has pissed me off, but I remember all the bullshit I took from the right wing back then over opposing it and it will be a cold day in Hell before I forgive and forget that and the current hypocrisy out of nitwits like DTOM who suddenly have an issue with Obama using and expanding the powers dumbasses like him willingly gave Bush.

AC, my opposition to the Obama-nation seems to have erased all your memories of my critical postings during the years of Emperor Bush.

Oh! That's the Act that Obama has accelerated in taking more of our civil liberties away.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

The Patriot Act was going to be accelerated no matter who became president after Bush. That's why most liberals were against it from the start. Seems to me we libs could have used a little help in opposing it back then, but oh well.

Goddamn right.

You gave Chimpy McFlightsuit all those powers, DTOM, thinking they'd be in Republican hands until the end of time. You were a dumbass to think that and to forget the sort of BS you so often bleat about how the government keeps getting bigger and bigger... PATRIOT Act was the crack of the door that opened everything up to more spying and data collection and all that. Obama gets in and uses the same programs Bush did and expands them and suddenly you're all up in arms, whereas you had nothing but contempt for anyone who dared oppose the will of Georgie Dubya.

You're a fucking hypocrite and all that is wrong with America.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/06/07/on_september_12_2001_i_warn...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2005/06/09/tough_debate_over_the_patri...

Even though you won't like the source I'll throw it in there for good measure. I'm damn sure he doesn't like the Patriot Act used in this instance.

http://www.wnd.com/2003/12/22519/

You give some interesting links there, Sherryet. Limbaugh fascinates me. Even though I am a lib, I like to listen to him; he is master at propaganda. The links you gave are perfect examples of how Limbaugh rides the fence, never actually being for or against something controversial like the Patriot Act. In the second example you gave, Limbaugh is very careful not to come out totally against the Patriot Act himself, so he lets the caller do the talking and just ask questions about how the caller feels. The information gets out, but Rush doesn't take credit for it until he knows it's safe. If things go right down the road, Limbaugh does an “ I told you so”. If they don't go well he either never mentions it again or claims he never said it. That's because he let the caller do the talking. One of the tip offs that Limbaugh is up to this trick is whenever he tells a caller that 'others feel the same way' about the subject. He never says he feels the same way, only that “others” or “many” do. In this phone exchange it happens when Limbaugh says “I know a lot of people have your fear; a lot of people share your concern about it.”

Notice how many times Limbaugh actually defends the Patriot Act during the call.

1) RUSH: “This is a toughie(referring to the debate over the Patriot Act) because I think one of the things, Jennifer, that's driving the Patriot Act -- look what we just found out in Lodi, California.”

Here he is saying the Patriot Act worked to root out a terror cell found to be operating near Lodi in June of 2005.

2) RUSH: “You have to look, though, at the success rate. Look it, has there been another attack on this country from within since the Patriot Act was authorized?”
CALLER: “No, there hasn't.”
RUSH: “There has not been.”

3) RUSH: “But you really can't argue with the success rate and I, frankly, in this country don't know too many people, I don't know of anybody who's been rounded up that is not under genuine suspicion about whom there is not a sufficient body of evidence to justify that suspicion. I don't know of a rampant number of innocent people that have been rounded up under whatever auspices under the Patriot Act.”

In a sneaky way, Rush actually defends the Patriot Act quite a bit in your link. What do you think?

Rush says whatever he says to keep and build his audience. The entertainment business is a tough business. Rush has been doing well for a long time. Does he always believe in the positions he espouses? Of course not! How much of what he says does he really believe? Only Rush knows.
Read Rush's first biography. It's quite enlightening.

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