May 6, 2014 ballot: We're Broke

A few residents in Sylvania have been displaying signs in support of higher property taxes. This is yet another school levy, Issue 3 on the ballot. The Sylvania Board of Education claims they desperately need more money or they'll go bankrupt and all the children in Sylvania will grow up ignorant.

They lie.

Right now property owners are taxed at a rate of 44.98 mills in continuous levies, a fact that isn't all that easy to find. The last two levies that were passed were 4.9 mills each, and were passed in 2004 and 2011, one by special election. Hey, if at first you don't succeed, right? This new continuous levy is for 3.8 mills.

What this means is that if the levy passes the owner of property worth $100,000 will pay $4,878 in property tax. And that's a continuous levy, meaning there's no way to get rid of it. Ever.

Sylvania still has a significant population of retired people trying to live on their retirement income, which isn't all that easy. There's another segment of the populace that isn't wealthy, and for whom an extra few hundred a year makes a difference.

The Sylvania School Board doesn't care. The Sylvania BOE says, 'Too bad. Pay me.' It's for the children.

If the Sylvania BOE actually needed more money, they wouldn't be recruiting volunteers to greet people at the polling places and encourage them to vote for Issue 3 and higher taxes. The real truth is that they need to manage what they have, and according to their own budget they have another two years to decide just what they'll cut.

But it's easier for the school board if they just get more money. And more after that. And eventually they'll get what they want: only wealthy people will be able to live in Sylvania. The rest of us will either be renters, all of whom will vote for a property tax, because, well... why not? It isn't like it's their money. Or we'll have sold out and moved on.

Vote No on Issue 3. Tell them we don't have the money.

I blogged about this in great vitriolic detail here: May 6, 2014 ballot: We're Broke, which you may read or not as it amuses you. If you want to email the elected officials that support this new, permanent tax levy you'll find a list of email addresses included with the blog post.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling that many Sylvanians (that is, white, progressive-minded, comparatively affluent and consistent voters) would be overcome with guilt if they voted no on any school levy.

Patience is a great virtue.

As a Sylvania Township resident, you can count on my spouse's and my vote as "No" on any tax levy. We pay $4,600 a year in property taxes even though the value of our house has decreased by 20 percent in the last 10 years. Due to the unfriendly business environment in Lucas County, there is no reason that property values will significantly rebound.

The belief that you have to have a good school system in order to keep up housing values is a wives' tale. How good a school system is depends on the quality of people living in that district. TPS pumped millions of dollars into new buildings and has one of the highest per student expenditure rate in Ohio--yet the majority of TPS schools perform below average. When you have broken families, drugs, gangs, and apathy toward education, there's no amount of money that will bring that system up-to-par.

I have seen the taxes on my Sylvania home rise $3,600 in 22 years ALL because of Sylvania school taxes. I'm sick of it. We have the highest school taxes in the entire state of Ohio. The Sylvania schools don't give a crap about the kids, the ONLY thing on their mind are higher wages and more benefits. If you read the minutes from the Sylvania School Board contract meetings, you will see for yourself that negotiations currently in progress will INCLUDE a provision permitting negotiations to be re-opened if this levy passes for the sole purpose of permitting salary increases. Teachers do NOT earn what they presently make. They work far less than 8 hours per day, they get 4 weeks of vacation during the school year (I don't get 4 weeks vacation although I work 50 weeks a year). Teachers also enjoy every single holiday there is off with pay. Additionally, they get 5+ paid snow days a year, add to that personal days and sick days. They have more time off than a corporate CEO, despite the fact that school is ONLY in session from late August to early June. WHY ARE WE PERMITTING THIS TO BE THE CASE? The majority of teachers and administrators from Sylvania do NOT live in Sylvania. They live elsewhere so as to enjoy lower taxes themselves. They point a finger at Sylvania residents and tell us to pay and pay. A teacher in Sylvania gets ONE YEAR OFF WITH 50% SALARY for every 5 years they work. It's called a sabbatical. And all the time they are off on sabbatical, their vacation, sick and personal days continue to accrue. The school spends and spends without any thought to a budget. They WANT, ergo they MUST have it. That's the only creed they live by. Teachers show favoritism to students who have teachers for parents. I've seen it happen more than once. Being a teacher is no longer the hallowed position in the community it used to be back in the 1950's. Nowadays teachers are strippers, porn stars, molesters, etc. and society looks the other way. We have stopped making teachers accountable for their actions. Teachers spend time looking at porno on the taxpayer bought computers and nothing happens to them!

We need to make Sylvania Schools live within a budget. It's not like it's a budget that has them barely making ends meet ---- they live and spend money like they are KINGS & QUEENS. I'm sick and tired of working my ass off, living within my means, seeing more and more of my paycheck going toward others who already have wages and benefits that I can only dream about. Sylvania "used" to be a nice place to live, but the school system has turned it into a nightmare. Sylvania Schools wants EVERYTHING to be new and shiny and they have gotten to the point they think they are too good to do without. Brad Rieger is the worse kind of school superintendent. We don't need his kind in Sylvania. We existed very, very well without him.

UNLESS THE SYLVANIA RESIDENTS JOIN TOGETHER AND SEND THESE CARPETBAGGERS PACKING, THEY WILL TAKE OVER OUR COMMUNITY AND WE WILL BE FORCED TO LIVE AS INDENTURED SERVANTS TO THE SCHOOL.

Take a stand people, tell the school NO MORE TAXES !!!!!!!!!!

Sylvania isn't even the highest in Lucas county, according to the link below. That honor goes to Ottawa Hills.

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/01/cuhahoga_county_h...

A prostitute and a teacher both screw people for money, but the prostitute is the only one who earns it.

It is nauseating!

And it isn't nauseating to me.

Yeah, it's a little strong for those residents in favor of taking money away from the poor, but to some of us who are sick and tired of giving up our money and getting nothing in return - maybe not so much.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

record, Republicans have been in almost exclusive control of state government for 18 of the 22 years you've lived at your home. The main reason your real estate taxes have risen has been to pay for state income tax and corporate tax cuts which led to severe reductions in school funding from the state.
The majority of Sylvania residents want high quality, traditional public schools. If the State of Ohio continues to eviscerate the state funding for their schools, Sylvania residents have no choice but to vote new local taxes. And, I would point out, if property values increase, the assessed millage is automatically DECREASED!
You vigorously criticize Sylvania teachers. You have no idea how many hours the average teacher works. The number of contact hours does little to tell you how many hours are spent in addition for planning lessons, gathering materials, grading and recording papers, taking classes to keep or upgrade a teaching license, and doing paper work that grows with each term of a new "education Governor" and "education President." And that doesn't include the 2nd jobs many teachers need in order to pay their bills, and, often, pay back tens of thousands of dollars in student loans. As far as the overall pay, teachers are still among the lowest paid professionals who are baccalaureate-college graduates. Most of the teachers I know who live well, have spouses who have high paying jobs. I also have known many single parent teachers whose former spouses pay them little or nothing to help pay for the children they created together. Generally,these single parents struggle the most.
You state that teachers are only in the profession for the money. Then if the job is so lucrative, why don't YOU become a teacher? And if your taxes are too high, why don't you move?
In reality, after 15 years working in sales meeting all kinds of people, and 35 years in education also meeting all kinds of people, there is no group more dedicated to doing their jobs for the clients they serve than are teachers.
Sylvania is rated one of the top school districts in Ohio. Many of us, even those who neither work in the system nor have children or grandchildren in the system, appreciate what an excellent school system does for the future of our community and for the value of our property.

"The main reason your real estate taxes have risen has been to pay for state income tax and corporate tax cuts which led to severe reductions in school funding from the state."

No, the main reason is that the local schools are leeches and once their easy funding (from another level of government) became strained, they attacked the taxpayers more directly.

Public school systems in the United States, as a rule, are bloated monsters. ANY institution that pays big salaries, bigger benefits, and huge pensions (in fact, any pension at all) is by definition in a condition of bloat.

"Then if the job is so lucrative, why don't YOU become a teacher?"

Because it's immoral. The profession is leeching off the taxpayer. I don't become a bank robber for similar reasons.

"And if your taxes are too high, why don't you move?"

You don't need to move to stop leeches from sucking your blood. You just need to pluck them off.

No credentials!
No facts!
Nothing but vacuous opinion!

You are consistent.

Work less than 8 hours a day?

Yeah, because ALL TEACHERS GRADE THEIR ASSIGNMENTS DURING CLASS... Oh wait, that's not true, they end up grading them at home in the evening... when they work on many other things for class too.

Let's not forget continuing education requirements. While you, Teabagging Our Teachers, may not need any remedial training in burger-flipping or ditch-digging, you're also not trying to pay back student loans AND pay for continuing education requirements AND more training.

Got a call from a local builder about a week ago. The builder who will remain anonymous is looking to build his personal home away from the high taxes of Sylvania Township. He was looking to buy some land from me to build a much more modest home than what he lives in now. This builder build much of the housing that went up in Sylvania in the last twenty years.

Living just outside Sylvania I've seen the explosive grow that also came with huge tax increases for conservative leaning Sylvania Township. I find it ironic that these same people who will vote for (tax increase) bike paths to Secor park complain about Toledo and Lucas county government as big spenders. I've seen some Sylvania residents who cannot even afford to air condition their homes because of the stifling Sylvania taxes. Many thought that owning a home in Sylvania was a great investment. Those who bought the 4000 square foot McMansions are being taxes to death and never will profit from these unaffordable homes.

The smart money will buy the 2000 square foot Sylvania house and pass the tax bill to the overbuilt homeowners down the street. The tax shift Ohio governor Kasich has made it more unaffordable to own the large home. He's shifted the state tax burden to the local homeowner and away from the 1% wealthy of Ohio.

Local officials decry state cuts
http://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2014/04/02/Local-officials-decry-sta...

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Kasich "Shifted the state tax burden to the local homeowner and away from the 1% wealthy of Ohio." The state has an income tax--not a property tax--so home ownership is not a factor.

Galt the state income tax has been reduced on the backs of local communities I.E. the homeowner who gets the bill when corrupt state politicians cut revenue sharing for the benefit of their campaign donors. Many state are shifting the tax burden to the least among us. The American Legislative Exchange Council is working state governments to cut taxes for the wealthy and in Ohio we see the results.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

"Many state [sic] are shifting the tax burden to the least among us."

The key element here is one you've missed: Reduce the tax burden. It's too high to begin with. This is mathematically true and easily proven using public information about the cost of government over the period of 1940 until now. So it's not opinion; it's FACT.

Hence, this is a prime opportunity for common Americans to realize they have the ultimate authority in this situation, so they can vote for Libertarians, who well understand that we need to reduce the size, cost and taxing authority of government.

9.06.13 - COLUMBUS, OH – The FitzGerald for Ohio campaign launched a digital tax calculator that lets working Ohioans instantly measure how Gov. John Kasich’s new tax plan rewards the rich and stiffs working taxpayers and middle class families.

The governor’s skewed priorities will give the wealthiest Ohioans on average a $6,000 tax handout while working Ohioans will pay higher sales taxes, the elderly on fixed incomes will lose their homestead tax exemption, and homeowners will suffer a 12.5 percent sticker shock on future levies for schools, libraries and public safety.

“Gov. Kasich’s extreme tax plan is a window into his priorities: rewarding the wealthy and well connected and sticking everyone else with the bill,” said Nick Buis, FitzGerald campaign manager. “When working taxpayers use the calculator, they will instantly see how John Kasich is giving the wealthy a windfall and shifting the tax burden onto the middle class.”

Gov. Kasich’s tax plan increases the sales tax and eliminates the homestead exemption for the elderly and the 12.5 percent property tax rollback for local homeowners altogether. The governor is attempting to trade a meager income tax reduction for working and middle class families in return for higher sales and property taxes, but it is a bad deal for everyone but the wealthiest in Ohio.

For example, the calculator shows a working taxpayer making $25,618, or the median Ohio income, receives a $5 tax break overall. The median household, earning $48.071, gets $9 back. Meanwhile, the top one percent of Ohio income earners would receive about $6,000, on average.

“It’s astonishing to see the impact of the Kasich tax shift in such stark terms,” Buis said. “While the wealthiest Ohioans can anticipate a huge $6,000 tax handout, a typical middle-class Ohioan will get a mere nine dollars back, which couldn’t even cover a pizza-- and that doesn’t take into account higher local property taxes for schools, libraries and public safety going forward. Ohioans have a right to feel ripped off.”

The calculator is based on a comprehensive analysis of the Kasich budget done by Policy Matters Ohio, which can be viewed here. The study includes the net impact of Ohio’s sales tax increase and income tax rate decrease. It does not include any changes to property taxes, although any future funding levies for things like schools, libraries, and public safety will essentially be subject to a 12.5 percent greater tax liability.

Want to see the cost of John Kasich as Governor of Ohio in our local community?
Check out the cost to all 88 counties!
Take a look at Cuts Hurt Ohio.
http://www.eriecountydems.org/issues/kasichs-budget-2014-2015/

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Don't you know that ideologues HATE statistics!

Of course they do. They're also idiots and morons who can't do simple math to work out how tax cuts really work. That's how we got Voodoo Reaganomics that if we keep cutting taxes the middle class would be better off... now Canada's ahead of us in middle class wealth. Way to go GOP!

plan to lower federal taxes and increase federal spending, "Voodoo Economics." Then, he signed on to be the assistant voodoo master!
In 8 years, Reagan tripled the national debt. By the time Bush #41 left office, the debt had quadrupled in 12 years! Clinton lowered the deficit in each of his first 4 years in office, and Clinton's last 4 budgets were balanced, with significant surpluses in the last 3 years. That's real leadership!!

And the studies and projections were that if everyone continued on that course and left shit alone, we'd have things paid off by now. What did George Dumbass Bush the #2 do? Tax cuts for the rich and two wars we couldn't afford and much more in bullshit "homeland security" spending to give everyone the APCs and SWAT gear and all that that the same fucking ignorant hicks who voted for him now have cows about being used when someone comes to round up their trespassing cows.

My statistics easily beat his. In 1940, the federal government ran a budget of about $9 billion. By 2007, it had risen to about $3700 billion. That's an APR of 8.5% for 67 years.

Sadly, the wage growth over that period was about 2.5% yearly, and combined with a x2.3 increase in the population, you only arrive at an APR of about 3.5%.

My math says that 8.5% beats the hell out of 3.5% over the long term, which is why the federal government is the bloated monster it is today. It's PROVABLY twelve times larger than it needs to be, and what it needs to be is only determined by wage growth and population growth... you know, the economic base upon which taxation feeds.

So we're Taxed Enough Already. Wait, that's really wrong... we're Over-Taxed Already... but the acronym OTA isn't as marketable.

Checkmate. You Liberals know what the math is, but you just run around pretending it doesn't exist.

Just be as negative as you can, Mr. Empty Glass!
As a percentage of GDP, government spending peaked in 2008 at 41% of GDP. The current percentage is 36% of GDP, about the same as it was in 1982, when it was 35% of GDP:
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/past_spending

"Many thought that owning a home in Sylvania was a great investment."

Buying and then owning a home to live in, isn't an investment. That's provably fallacious. One, housing prices over the long term (i.e. the term you use it) only track incomes, hence match inflation. If you can't beat inflation then it's not an investment. Two, you cannot monetize what you're already living in (i.e. you can't live in it and also generate rent from it, at least within reason). If you can't get an income off it, then it's not an investment.

Period.

"Those who bought the 4000 square foot McMansions are being taxes to death and never will profit from these unaffordable homes."

Good. You're not supposed to "profit" from your home. The profit is from living in one for decades, ideally most of your life, to stop paying rent or a mortgage, which just makes landlords and bankers rich. Living for decades without making those payments, means you keep your money in your own pocket, which is the only way that money "works for you".

"The smart money will buy the 2000 square foot Sylvania house and pass the tax bill to the overbuilt homeowners down the street."

No, the smart money will avoid all this White Flight and come back into Toledo where housing is dirt cheap. All you need is to do is remain observant and keep that gun and cellphone handy, since the diversity pets are going apeshit and the police aren't going to magically make it all better. Toledo needs responsible residents. The reward is cheap housing. There's no need to dress this up as anything other than that.

That's an interesting story about the builder. There's a short list of builders in the Sylvania area which I won't post here, but I'll bet I know who it is. I'm not surprised in some ways, but in others I am.

Thanks for the post.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

a Sylvania school replace a newer 1 color electric sign out front of the school with a color LCD one in the span of 1.5 years. They are broke because of junk like that. At some point the property taxes in Sylvania need to be called out for what they are...silly. Yes, enough is enough.

It's just unbelievable the money they waste in Sylvania! Many of these Tea Party types live there and yet this kind of stupid waste goes on. I have always thought these electronic signs are ugly commercialism gone wild. A group of us gave Taylor KIA a drumming over that ugly U.S. 23 sign that lit up the expressway for miles in both directions. We had ODOT tone down his energy wasting blight sign. This guy Taylor should just shut the damn thing down altogether. It makes Sylvania look like Pottersville as in Its a Wonderful Life. All these electronic signs are nothing more than blight.

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Schools are, by their very nature, employee intensive businesses. By far, the greatest costs to school districts are employee salaries. You know this! You ran for the TPS Board of Education. You know the numbers! You oppose a school levy that will affect thousands of students, their families, and their community over a school sign?

It's almost as if, even though you ran to be on a traditional public school Board of Education, you would like traditional public schools to fail -- even those schools rated "Excellent" by the State of Ohio? Could that possibly be true, Chris?

I live in the City of Sylvania. My children went to the Sylvania Public Schools a LONG time ago. My wife and I will vote for the school levy, just as people voted for the school levies in Sylvania when our children were in school, and just as the people in Toledo voted for school levies when my wife and I were in school. It IS about the children. And it IS about the future. And it DOES affect property values.
The old axiom is that there are 3 important factors in selling real estate: Location, location, and location. Ask someone involved with real estate today. They'll tell you that one of the most frequently asked questions by those looking to buy a house is about the quality of local schools. If you don't believe this to be true, you're in Egypt!

"You oppose a school levy that will affect thousands of students, their families, and their community over a school sign?"

No, one opposes it because we're Taxed Enough Already, and the school sign is yet another indicator of massive institutional waste. The employee costs alone (given they're heavily overpaid, considering their big salaries, huge benefits, and gargantuan pensions) show how heavy the waste environment is.

In other words, you oppose the levy since it affects far more TAXPAYERS.

But you're the Golden Class, Dale. You never met a pension fund you didn't like, and you never consider that taxpayers are the community. Pensions are obsolete, and heavy taxation is equally obsolete. There is no room for them in the new economic order of the Post-Petroleum Age.

No credentials, no statistics, nothing but vacuous opinion -- as ALWAYS!!
Get yourself a good education.
Get yourself a good job.
Use your time more wisely.
You are so bitter!

not you or anyone else. You are just a short-sighted, underachieving whiner!
Get some credentials.
Get some education.
Qualify yourself for a job that pays a living wage.
Work for 50 years, then criticize those of us who did.

So what if your blather was directed at Chris. You're on a public forum. Get used to it.

I know GuestZero personally. I've been reading him for years. His credentials and education are so far above anything that you're capable of achieving that a suitable contrast eludes me. You have the school teacher complex. You're in love with the sound of your own voice and you're too used to sycophants on all sides. Your mind is closed. You were finished years ago, and the only place that would have you is the school system.

Your attack on GZ has no substance other than the typical DalePertcheck ad hominem criticism. The topic here has elicited some of the best commentary SwampBubbles has to offer, and all you are able to counter with is your nonsensical babble and baseless accusations.

Your wife will vote against the school levy and will lie about it to you.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

MJ -- GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass and Chris can speak for themselves.
Neither my wife nor I have any connection with the Sylvania Public Schools, but she will vote her conscience and vote for the schools as will I. We have an appreciation for one of the top school districts in Ohio. We also have an understanding of how Ohio Governor Sick has eviscerated local school budgets and accomplished so little in the way of producing living wage jobs for GZ aka Mr. Empty Glass, and so many other Ohioans.

MJ -- Instead of giving a knee-jerk reaction, look at the cuts sometime. The Sylvania Public Schools and the State of Ohio must make those figures available to the public. Of course, that would take a little effort on your part. Spewing the anti-tax venom instead is so much easier!

Chris' and GZ's point was that every school official has the burden to be what's called "Good stewards" of the public trust.

That means replacing a perfectly good sign is a sign of waste and a taxpayer doesn't have to tolerate.

The only recourse of a taxpayer is their levy vote. So they can reject a levy if the school officials are not being good stewards.

Now if the teachers and officials were being good stewards when the levy is voted down and they must do less with more, they would refocus their efforts toward the children and not their own needs again, if they're being good stewards.

MikeyA

There you go MikeyA.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

You're right. Chris ran for the Toledo BOE, so because of his experience if Chris finds fault with school spending the rest of us should take a much closer look at it.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Why not buy a new sign, or whatever else they want? It's not their money.

In truth I didn't know about the sign, but I'm not surprised. Sylvania is worse than most about spending school funding on junk, and no one audits them. Ever.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

It's hard to tell what voters will do this time.

I vote against all tax levies for reasons I won't go into here, but we are, indeed "taxed enough already". State, local, county... taxedy taxedy tax. ENOUGH FOR CRYING OUT LOUD.

But having said that - I actually feel bad for the Oregon School Board. They have been reduced to promising that NONE of the new millage will go to teacher salaries. It had come to light previously how "step" increases work, and also that we had teachers being paid in the $90,000 per year range.

But it's complicated. Businesses - including our rich rich oil refineries could afford to pay a lot more (which they used to do). BUT they were let off the hook by state legislators years ago. It's a mess.

Ohio has been run by Republicans almost exclusively for 20 of the past 24 years! Those elected Republicans have drastically lowered the graduated personal income tax, and various business taxes. Since the state budget MUST BY LAW be balanced, there had to be cuts. Almost all of those cuts were to local governments, especially to local school districts! The situation in Oregon, Ohio, is a quintessential example of the abject failure of these short-sighted, inept Republican policies.
Now, the pay off was supposed to be that the lower taxes -- which favored the richest Ohioans and Ohio's businesses -- would bring a boom in business growth, triggering more jobs, lower unemployment, and higher incomes for Ohioans, saving money as tax users turn into tax payers. The simple truth is: it hasn't worked! When the Republicans began to control Ohio's government in 1991, Ohio ranked 21st in per capita income. This ranking dropped to 34th in 2007, when under Democrat Ted Strickland, Ohio's ranking improved slightly to 31st. The latest year for which I could find statistics was 2012, when Ohio ranked 30th: http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm. Ohio ranks 33rd in job growth according to Pew Research: http://www.pewstates.org/research/data-visualizations/top-states-for-job.... Ohio ranks 25th in unemployment as of March, 2014, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics: http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm. Ohio has the 19th highest state and local tax burden per person in 2014 according to the Tax Foundation: http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/ohio.
Remember, this is under the leadership of Republican Governor Sick, who promised he would be the right person to lead Ohio in tough economic times, and has governed for almost 4 years now with a growing U.S. economy, and strong Republican majorities in both houses of the Ohio General Assembly. And one of the very first things Governor Sick did upon his taking office was to refuse to return hundreds of millions of our Federal tax dollars back to Ohio to create jobs building, maintaining, and staffing rapid rail transit. [The money went almost immediately to California.] Governor Sick said he had a better plan to bring jobs to Ohio.
Well, Governor Sick was wrong! And common Ohioans are paying the price for his gross economic ineptitude! We shouldn't be surprised. After all, Governor Sick was touted on Fox TV as an expert on economics when he was mired in the financial debacle as an executive with Lehman Brothers. He remained there through their economic collapse in 2008, even receiving a bonus of $432,000 for his wonderful job performance in 2007: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich
Sorry for all of the statistics. I know how ideologues HATE statistics!

Yes! Ohio is cutting taxes at the state level, receiving little in economic growth for doing so, and burdening local taxpayers with the dreadful choice of either raising local taxes or sacrificing the future by strangling local schools and other local governments! Thanks, Governor Sick!

"The simple truth is: it hasn't worked!"

Then raising taxes will doubly not work.

Logic 101.

With each year that passes, the phrase "do less with less" becomes more true. There's no going back to the high taxes and high spending of the Peak-Petroleum Age. But high taxation, spending and concomitant borrowing is lingering, and your Golden Class is the villain behind that. You insist on your outrageous pensions and health care. You insist on a massive government that justifies the many positions that you hold in it. You're the enemy.

Of course it won't work, but you'll never convince a true crusader of that. It just makes sense, right? We don't have enough money, so we'll have to raise taxes. That will give us more money... until it doesn't, then we'll have to raise taxes.

The worst part about this is that even if you could bring back the era of prosperity, it wouldn't matter to these people. They still wouldn't have enough money, and so would raise taxes. The idea of living within a budget never occurs to them.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

"The idea of living within a budget never occurs to them."

For the maturation of the Silents and Boomers, who really tripped over money on the way to the end of the 20th Century, sure, that made sense. Whatever they couldn't earn, they could borrow. And a certain class of leech-like nasty creatures (i.e. teachers) found they could double-deal... they could sit on both sides of the negotiation table, and pay, benefit and pension themselves handsomely.

But the credit spigot was fueled by petroleum. Ultimately, everything was fueled by it, with minor factors of natural gas and coal. All those are in limited supply, and the supply chains are finding out their anchors are weakening. All resource exploitation runs into diminishing returns.

It's funny that Dale and his ilk insist that we get educations, but they don't accept these logical conclusions from basic facts of physics, chemistry, geology and economics. It's like they expected the education system to perform, ah, some other function.

Jack, if you're serious about trying to defeat the levy, you'll have to find a way to counter the "news coverage" of the insipid local TV stations. Willingly or not, they serve as mouthpieces for all school districts whenever a levy is up for a vote. It's pretty easy to get video of pro-levy rallies, students supposedly hard at work in the classroom and of superintendents lamenting having to ask for more money but "gosh, the children really need the community's continued support." It takes time and talent, which the news crews seem to lack, to determine if a district is prudently spending the money already rolling in. Likewise, since it's inconvenient and could disrupt the usual storyline, they're not likely to actively seek out those who are in opposition. You've got an uphill battle.

Patience is a great virtue.

You sure got that one right. I'm not much of a media oriented person. The talking heads blather on and on about thirty seconds of real news, talking about what they think and how they would like to see things handled and what their opinion is - as if it mattered. The majority of them are about half as bright as a burned out 40 watt light bulb.

The trouble is that the average man listens to this crap and believes it.

Years ago, and I think this goes back to the mid-70s, the Sylvania BOE proposed yet another property tax to fund their tiddly-winks team (a real necessity to every child's education) and someone decided to do something serious about it. A few residents got together and produced an analysis of school spending then did a direct mailing. This was a real professional analysis, and as I remember it the letter was three pages of facts. They didn't tell anyone how to vote, they just sent out the information. That levy was defeated about six to one. I may not have the time to produce a similar product for this levy, but just as sure as the sun rises in the East there will be other levies, and I plan on being ready for them.

I also think that if all property owners were required to pay their tax bill in person and in cash to the money grubbing board of education, there might be a different outcome for the next levy. Let the taxpayers actually hold that cash in their hands, then hand it over to the greedy school board and see how they feel about that.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

MJ I've been complaining about WSPD for years! The majority of them are about half as bright as a burned out 40 watt light bulb and your right the trouble is that the average man listens to this crap and believes it!
The worst offender was that goof Wilson. But Fred comes in a close second!

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I must point out once again that you can't have it both ways Mr Ignorant. Most of your posts involve complaining about Tea Partiers and right wing media types talking about lowering taxes and not supporting levys. Then MJ writes pretty much what I've said over the years about levys and you complain about WSPD again. You have two sides of a brain like most people I'm just not sure they are connected.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Trouble is Fredo I'm for lower taxes on us, the little people. The Republican party is for tax shifting the burden to the little people. Don't listen to the shill radio hosts cause they won't talk about this. They talk about supporting the Ryan budget that cuts Medicare and Social Security while doing nothing about corporations who pay no taxes but , in fact, get government welfare. The radio shills get paid to say this or its part of the station mantra to support higher taxes for the little people.
Look here
The tea party radio network http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/tea-party-radio-network-105774.htm...

and here
America’s Top 10 Corporate Tax Avoiders http://www.sanders.senate.gov/top-10-corporate-tax-avoiders

and here
Local officials decry state cuts
https://www.toledoblade.com/Politics/2014/04/02/Local-officials-decry-st...

and here
Republican Michigan Governor Rick Syder's tax shift
http://www.milhs.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/FactSheetBigTaxShift1.pdf

and this
The Ryan Budget's Radical Priorities
Provides Largest Tax Cuts in History for Wealthy, Raises Middle Class Taxes, Ends Guaranteed Medicare, Privatizes Social Security, Erodes Health Care
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3114

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You missed one link - http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2014/04/tax_liens_trouble_both_p...

The real trouble is you're an ass. When I talk about lower taxes for Don, the little people, you complain. When I talk about lower tax levys for the little people you complain. When I disagree with Kasich on raising fees you complain. You have your head set firmly in your butt and refuse to remove it to hear what's really being said. I have talked about no subsidies for large corporations, but you ignore that. I've railed against government bailouts but you ignored it. You are just an ass, plain and simple. See if you can find a link for that. (drops mic)

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Don had it all wrong! He blames local government when state and federal government is tax shifting to the little guy. You never talk about Don's pay cut from CheapChannel. He discusses this on the video. You spend 99% of you time blaming the people who suffered from the Great Recession caused by Wall Street Banks and their politicians. You bash unions when they work to protect people like Don. Don has been whacked by Corporate control of our economy and government pushing us in the race-to-the-bottom globalization. We know Fred is a shill for ClearChannel. He cannot tell the truth on what's really going on. Blame unions and poor once employed people....yaaa that's the ticket! Come on Fred grow a spine!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/William_A._Clark_-

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How about France?
How about Finland?
How about Japan?
How about India?

Only in America do we slash funding at a regional level, then force the local schools to beg local taxpayers to fund their schools using a regressive system of taxation.

The continued focus on a sign, the cost of which is tiny compared to the total budget of even that one individual school, shows how desperate the opposition is for a reason to vote "No."
The saddest thing about this obsessive focus on this tiny item is that you are missing the point that the levy would not be necessary at all if: 1. Ohio Governor Sick and the Republican-dominated Ohio General Assembly hadn't cut school funding with the meat cleaver approach in order to fund tax cuts which impacted the wealthiest Ohioans and businesses the most, or 2. Governor Sick's economic approach had actually worked.
Governor Sick's economic program is an abject failure. Local taxpayers are forced to make choices they shouldn't have to make. And our school-aged children face the prospect of being less able to compete in the future global marketplace, because our state government is being grossly mismanaged.

Sylvania Schools ramp up voter-contact efforts
About 100 people volunteer for another door-to-door effort

Read more at http://www.ourtownsylvania.com/Education/2014/04/28/Sylvania-Schools-ram...

"The tax would assist with new curriculum costs, digital-learning efforts, the continuation of its safety and security measures, and personnel expenses. If passed, the new tax is estimated to collect $4.9 million a year and cost the owner of a $100,000 house $133 a year.",/i>
Read more at http://www.ourtownsylvania.com/Education/2014/04/28/Sylvania-Schools-ram...

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I did a little more digging and found these two sites.

Sylvania Schools District Calendar

250 Normal Work Days (Assumes 10+ holidays or missed days)
184 Teacher Work Days
66 Teacher Days Off

So it seems that employees in the Sylvania Public School system put in a brutal 184 work days per year, compared to the rest of us who must work a mere 250 days per year. That is if you don't have mandatory overtime, crises weekends and other demands.

That's not really brand new news, but it serves to remind a few people about how tough the job is. Or not, depending on how you see it. Then I found a site that lists salaries and pensions. Just put 'Sylvania City' into the search engine and check out the salaries and pensions. Man, I'm sick.

Buckeye Institute Teacher Salary

This is what we're being taxed to the poorhouse over - higher salaries for the poor, unappreciated public servants in the public school system. These pension benefits are nothing short of unbelievable.

The site also lists the number of hours per day the employee is required to work, because they aren't all present for the 8 hour day - and it isn't because they're working 10.

This is just absolutely sickening. This is why many of us are getting taxed into the poorhouse.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

Just because they're not inside the school building 8 hours a day does not mean they're not working at home grading papers, dumbass.

Too bad HistoryMike isn't here to school your ass.

HistoryMike is on ToledoTalk, AC. If you want him to jump in, I cross posted the same missive over there. Just leave him a message.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

I know a local radio host who works three (3) hours a day five (5) days a week with a high school education and complains about lazy union teachers!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Your ignorance of how radio works is immense.

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

Same goes for your knowledge of union workers. Complete ignorance!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

As a former working member of the RCIA and a current card carrying member of that union, I am well aware of how unions work. You however have had only one radio experience and it didn't go well for you

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Sylvania BOE approves new 3-year employment contracts
3-year deals, raises for 14 principals, assistant principals, and staff directors.

Read more at http://www.toledoblade.com/Education/2014/04/29/Sylvania-BOE-approves.ht...

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There is a lot of places you don't live but you sure are concerned about their internal operations.

MikeyA

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MikeyA

I live in the City of Sylvania and within the Sylvania School district. I appreciate your research. You have to forgive Mikey. Ideologues HATE facts.

Dale,

So you think I'm an ideologue? LOL the individual you are thanking is much more closed minded than myself.

MikeyA

Mikey

So you think you are open minded? LOL!!

How am I not?

I am willing to debate anyone. If someone makes a valid point I either acknowledge it or let it stand unchallenged. There are those who cross the line and I have a tendancy to confront them. You rarely do which is why I respect you and keep it civil with you.

If you think I have done something to someone unfairly please cite where.

MikeyA

I think not. I usually ignore Capt. Aurthur. His unbalanced thinking and trollish behavior will drain the will to live out of anyone. His distractions are worthless and time consuming. So back to the tax shifting Republicans and their assault on Sylvania homeowners!

Statements made are the opinion of the writer who is exercising his first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and are generally permitted.

Trollish and unstable behavior.

That is not my name. I've explained this many times, yet you keep calling me it. That seems um..... TROLLISH.

Unstable? Didn't you have to apologize for slandering another individual on here? That seems um.... UNSTABLE.

Like I said earlier. Paul is one of the most closed minded on here.

Dale, if you want to associate with people like Paul that's fine, but let me point out he's already gotten himself into trouble on here. He doesn't seem smart enough to not involve others.

MikeyA

MRINDEPENDENT beat me to the post, for which I thank him.

Here are a few facts for Pertcheck to choke on.

Published by the Toledo Blade on Tuesday, 4/29/2014.

Sylvania School Board Approves New 3-Year Employment Contracts

The BOE negotiated some employment contracts. According to The Blade:

The three who moved from two-year probationary status to permanent three-year administrators also received raises commensurate with their new status.

Southview High School's athletic director Susie Felver, whose salary increased $4,757 to $90,314
So now we're paying a gym teacher $90 grand? WTF?!

Director of disability services Michalene Sujaritchan, who got a $5,483 raise to $104,113
Just what does a director of disability services do, anyway? I mean besides suck up money from the public trough.

Assistant principal at Northview High School, Kasey Vans, whose new $88,761 salary includes a $4,681 raise.
$88 grand for an assistant principal? What are they, nuts? What did Vans do to deserve a raise, anyway? Besides show up for work everyday.

Here's a few more, again from The Blade.

Employees whose contracts were renewed for three years and their salaries are:
Joseph Shamy, food service director, $78,391
Julie Sanford, assistant curriculum director, $88,761
Amanda Ogren, assistant principal at McCord Junior High School, $87,881
David McMurray, Southview High School principal, $110,403
Chad Kolebuck, Hill View Elementary School principal, $96,371
Karen Hehl, Timberstone Junior High School assistant principal, $87,881
Darren Estelle, assistant director of information technology, $90,926
Edward Eding, Maplewood Elementary School principal, $96,371
Jeremy Bauer, Stranahan Elementary School principal, $96,371
Michael Bader, Timberstone Junior High School principal, $104,113
Alan Bacho, director of facilities, $104,113

Director of facilities, over $100 grand. For what? Fire Bacho and let the assistant principals do his job. The seem to make about as much.

This is why the Sylvania BOE is demanding more money. They spend money that doesn't belong to them like there's no tomorrow. They just give it away.

Mad Jack
Mad Jack's Shack

The system should not run on administrators. It's an obscenity. Schools should run on a committee system, staffed by the teachers, who set local school policy and decide how to use their budget to comply with state and federal academic standards.

I've always advocated that teachers need to take back their schools. There's no sane reason why they shouldn't run them. Instead of a "principal", there should be a committee chair, and instead of an "assistant principal", there should be a committee recorder. Combined with an office clerk and custodian or two, that's all the 'administration' that any public school needs in this area. All the rest should be teachers doing the hard work, the real work, with a garnishing of paperwork.

But hey, that's a private industry idea, and as we all know, the public sectors have an allergy to the methods of industrial efficiencies.

The committee structure works so well at doing shit, just look at the local GOP, and at Congress, and at many many companies.

That said, yes, there ought to be some checks and balances or outside auditing, because we can point to some seriously bad shit that's happened all over the area in the past 20 years (attendance scandals, grade changing scandals, etc.)

Of course, for teachers to take things back, we need to get the state and Feds (don't forget shit like NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!) off their backs. There are good solid reasons to have a defined curriculum and minimum standards for advancement in place, however there needs to be freedom in HOW to teach students and there needs to be a method of letting the faster/smarter kids MOVE AHEAD instead of having to throw them in a classroom where they have to teach at the speed of Ed the Special Kid all day long. There's no way to do that right now until you get up to junior high at least where you MIGHT have some kind of honors or advanced classes. If you have a second grader doing long division with remainders, that kid needs to be in a math class where you're not teaching Ed the Special Kid 2 + 2... that means grade school would have to be like college and you'd have to let the second graders go to 6th-grade math or 4th-grade English (which some people here need to go back to). But that's TOO COMPLICATED and they'd have to actually deal with addressing bullying of the little kids.

I really don't have much issue with anything you've said. I'll just dig at you a bit to make conversation, as is my wont.

I really don't care how teachers run their schools. I just want them to run them, and to make the schools theirs. Teachers constantly claim to be professionals. Well, I'm jiggy wit dat. So let's dump the school on these so-called professionals and see how they fly. Recall well that I'm all for school choice, hence a badly-run school will get kicked off the market as parents just avoid it, pulling their kids out and starving the effed-up school of revenue... since revenue should follow attendance, duh.

Outside auditing is easy enough to perform. You simply need a functional level of government. You could even outsource the auditing, not that that doesn't have its own problems.

And when it comes to getting government off the people's backs... why AC, you rascally rogue, you're starting to sound like me. Yes, by turning schools over to their natural stewards (the teachers, instructors, professors, shamans or wizards), we automatically short-circuit the larger system of governance.

Approving new contracts in those amounts days before a levy vote tells me Sylvania school officials regard residents as sheep who will obediently go to the polls and punch the "yes" button. That said, I'm sure every one of those administrators earns every dime on their paychecks. The superintendent already told us so.

Patience is a great virtue.

Most wage workers are not seeing cost of living increases. The UAW gave COLA up during the 2009 Bankster induced Great Recession. Most new jobs are regressing in wage scale. I don't think the general public will be appreciative of these wage increases when no one in the private sector are getting this. With living wage jobs nearly impossible to find at some point the private sector wages should go up or their will be a revolt against these public servants.

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"Most wage workers are not seeing cost of living increases. "

That's because the true cost of living is falling. The price of housing is collapsing, and housing is the biggest budget item for any person. It's incumbent upon you, therefore, to ditch your stupid big mortgage that you signed before in a fit of cultural insanity, and buy a small house for cash, thereby freeing up decades of your future income for yourself. And you don't need to go out to eat every day, and you don't need health insurance, and you don't need to run up the credit card with tons of useless Chinese consumerist shit. Live simply, live cheap, and you end up having lived WELL.

Once you realize that Americans went nutty-nuts with spending, and that was an aberration, then you inescapably conclude that we just had a period of near hyperinflation, and that must be followed by a period of deflation. People who know this, are benefiting. As a singular example, I have a friend who's shopping for a house in the Toledo region. His limit is $15000 or so, cash. And there are quite a few choices out there. So when he finally finds a good candidate, and buys it, then he's set for the rest of his life. Fuck the landlords and fuck the bankers; they're both just predators. That's the marvel of the deflationary period that follows hyperinflation.

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