Obama bows to Putin again

Obama lost in Egypt, Iran, Syria, and now the Ukraine, Oh and did nothing about Bengazi. Ukraine,Putin laughs at Obama, we will not attend the G8 if you don't stop it Mr Putin. Syria, you better not come across this red line or else... Egypt, no arms for you, Russia will help you. Iran, just lower your enrichment of uranium, that's ok. Eyes need to be wide open, stop dismissing the obvious.

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It's called diplomacy. You know, as opposed to going to war, in which case you'd be on here screaming about how Obama's getting our brave troops killed for nothing and racking up the debt while doing it.

The only things Obama can do that would make you happy would be 1) Resign or 2) Die. Admit it and be done with it.

See anything in the subject post that mentions boots on the ground or ship/plane intervention. No, you are a typical progressive who paints with a wide brush and jumps to conclusions, You and Putin along with your imperial leader are on the wrong side of History... And yes his term can not end fast enough.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

What exactly is your problem, anyway? Anytime "The One" isn't being worshiped by a Conservative, it's because the particular Conservative wants him to 1) resign or 2) die. You're a real "thinker", aren't you?

Who said anything about worship? You got issues, dude.

The Washington Post's editorial board says Obama's foreign policy operates on a "fantasy" of how he thinks the world should be. Coming from a liberal newspaper, that's a solid punch to the gut for the president.

Patience is a great virtue.

How could we expect a "Community Organizer" to have a clue as to how to deal with a real leader. Obama makes Jimmy Carter look like Henry Kissinger.

He chirps at some third world dictator about what will happen if he crosses a line, lets see how he will address someone who is in charge of the Red Army.

Oh look, more ginned-up right-wing outrage.

Ya know what's funny? Putin is a business-friendly, gay-hating, "tough-guy" man. The right-wingers here ought to be lined up to lick his boots.

Putin is a leader. Pure and simple. Our President is not a leader. Our President does not demand respect. Our President makes demands and threats and then whines when things don't go exactly his way.

No one is licking Putin's boots, people respect him and respect what he's capable of. That is why right wingers are outraged. Our President said there would be "consequences" for military action in Ukraine. Ok, what are the consequences now? Can you answer that AC?

MikeyA

Russia didn't like the fact that the United States started two wars in the Mideast. Remember Afghanistan and Iraq? Did they start a war with us? What can the United States do now that Russia attacked Ukraine? Nothing militarily.
The United States and Russia can't get into a war with each other. Two nuclear armed countries getting into a war with each other makes no sense. We have a war with them and there will be no winner. It wouldn't be Mutually Assured Destruction. It would be Mutually Assured Suicide.

Actually Sarge there is plenty the US could do militarily.

The first step the President should take is to move forward on the European missle shield. Prior to the Ukrainian invasion the US did not have the positioning to move forward without escalating tension. Now the tension is already escalated and the US has the clear moral authority to begin positioning for a nuclear deterrent.

The next move is to make the Ukraine, Georgia, and other formiet Warsaw Pact countries toward full membership into NATO. Once again the US and EU have moral authority to do this as Russia acted aggressively and this is a non-aggressive counterstep.

The fact that you and others cannot see these as possibilities speaks to your short sightedness.

This is an opportunity for the President to embrace being a leader. However instead of meeting with his National Security team he ducks out of the meeting to play partisian politics.

That's just military actions. Non-military actions can also be taken. Begin freezing the assets of Russian companies that support Russian military actions held in overseas accounts. Begin flooding the global supply of oil reducing the oil dependency of the countries in the region. Refuse to pay interest payments on debt held by countries who support Russian action. All these would isolate Russia and the President does not need Congressional action for any of them although he would receive it.

MikeyA

I mean its not hard to connect the dots concerning this Presidents foreign policy decisions. Lets not forget this. At the meeting last March in South Korea, Obama told then Russia President Dmitri Medvedev in remarks picked up by a live microphone that he would have “more flexibility” on the missile shield issue following an election victory .What the f---does that tell you.

"DTOM" {1776} " We The People" {1791}

Further expansion of NATO eastward is not only provocative, it's stupid. Tell me, which NATO partner other than the U.S. would held responsible for militarily acting if a member nation were invaded or otherwise attacked? Sorry, I don't want to go to war against Russia over a country that no American gave two shits about until Moscow reacted to popular upheaval in Kiev. Face it, Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence and there is no changing that geo-political reality. It's amusing that some of the same people who bitch about the cost of maintaining military installations in Japan, Germany and elsewhere, properly arguing that those countries need to pony up for their own defenses, now want to extend the U.S.-paid military security blanket closer to Moscow. Some want the U.S. out of the UN. I'd like to see the U.S. out of NATO.

Patience is a great virtue.

Don,

We've already done it, under a Democrat President too. It was the mid 90's in Serbia.

You want the US out of NATO. Obviously you don't understand how NATO works and how NATO allows us to operate more efficently with foreign allies. Unlike the UN, NATO is an efficient organization. Much of what we do miliariliy are under what's called "the NATO standard" which means despite language, measurement, and cultural differences we are able to work very closely. Some countries like Israel operate under the NATO standard despite not being a NATO member. They do this so they can closely coordinate.

You should look up the term "Rel To: Four Eyes" and "Rel to: NATO" realize what it means for coordinating forces. That partnership exists only through NATO.

MikeyA

Mikey, our new NATO pals bordering Russia certainly are all in for a drastic response. The western European nations are busy contemplating the economic effects to their individual countries and are calling for "vigorous diplomacy" without sanctions. Your reference to "coordinating forces" is laughable. Great Britain, Germany and the rest of the gang want to carry on their lucrative trade with Russia and leave threat-making and possible military response to the Ukraine situation to the U.S. I enjoyed your reference to our glorious campaign in Serbia. Do you think the Russians really gave a shit about the remnants of Yugoslavia? They probably were thankful that the U.S. picked up the tab for restoring order with a couple months of bomb-dropping.

Patience is a great virtue.

By your statement about coordinating forces it's obvious that what I said went over your head.

If you look at what I've posted about Russia you'll see we and EU allies SHOULD keep up trade with Russia. Cutting trade off with them will not isolate them and thus it is ineffective.

By INCREASING trade with Ukraine and it's neighbors we better isolate Russia and undercut their economy. Money talks and bullshit walks. The money alone can cause Putin to be FORCED to pull out of Crimea.

"Do you think the Russians really gave a shit about the remnants of Yugoslavia?" Um... yeah. They sent forces there too when we did. Look at Chechnya. A very small insignificant country, yet they are the biggest security threat to Russia today.

MikeyA

Russia's involvement consisted of urging Milosevic to step down. Are you suggesting they sent troops in with a "Dear Slobodan" letter? As for American troops, we didn't send them "in," we sent them "above." It was strictly an aerial campaign. Chechnya is not Russia's biggest security threat. Terrorists in Chechnya are the threat. Since a great number of America-hating terrorists are cultivated in Saudi Arabia, should we call the kingdom the greatest threat to the U.S.? As far as increasing trade with Ukraine, what do you suggest we do to strengthen their standing in the import-export game? Urge Americans to buy more Ukrainian-built cars, computers and heavy appliances?

Patience is a great virtue.

"Russia's involvement consisted of urging Milosevic to step down. Are you suggesting they sent troops in with a "Dear Slobodan" letter?" So what you saying is Russia did give a shit.

"As for American troops, we didn't send them "in," we sent them "above." It was strictly an aerial campaign." We actually did have troops on the ground. At one point Wesley Clark actually ordered British General Pete Jackson to attack Russian troops To him Jackson responded saying ...I have spent my career trying to avoid WWIII and I am not going to start it now.... Or do you deny that that happened?

"Chechnya is not Russia's biggest security threat. Terrorists in Chechnya are the threat. Since a great number of America-hating terrorists are cultivated in Saudi Arabia, should we call the kingdom the greatest threat to the U.S.?" That is a simplistic way of thinking. Chechnya is involved in a civil war with Russia since Russia annexed it. There was a separate gov't in Chechnya that wants to remain independent. You say it's not their biggest threat. Ok. But yet, during the Olympics their biggest concern was Chechan terrorist. Do you deny this?

"As far as increasing trade with Ukraine, what do you suggest we do to strengthen their standing in the import-export game? Urge Americans to buy more Ukrainian-built cars, computers and heavy appliances?" If you look at my statements I'm not JUST talking about Ukraine but it's non-Russian neighbors too. I will repeat myself again.

Sell them oil! Russia's biggest export to these countries is petroleum. If we sell them petroleum and under cut the Russian price we are destabilizing their biggest moneymaker. That will suffice until we could side any type of free trade agreement if the conflict continues.

MikeyA

I'm sure your military training included several classroom courses on the art of equivocating.

Patience is a great virtue.

Not really Don.

Closest you'll get in military training is they tell you to avoid routine as a measure against terrorism since every military member is a target.

I was specific to your post which is why I quoted you then responded in kind.

The problem with Russia is a complicated one, it will require a multilateral approach. What it doesn't need is oversimplification of the problem with over simplified answers.

MikeyA

Simplistic solutions to complex problems are most often pontificated by politicians seeking votes, and by self-anointed pundits sitting around imbibing adult beverages with friends at a bar, club, and/or in someone's home. The reality is that simplistic solutions look and sound good, but just don't work out.

I remember well those who wanted to "win" the Viet Nam War by, "...bombing them back to the Stone Age." And some wanted us to use nukes, expecting that the Soviet Union would not use them against us because of the theory of "MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction."

And the racists amongst us really didn't care how many of "those people over there" died. How would that simplistic solution have played out? As it was, we dropped more non-nuclear bombs in Southeast Asia during the Viet Nam War, than were dropped during the entirety of World War II! How did THAT work out?

I can certainly see where the Russians could interpret this as an act of aggression. I agree about the assertions posted above in regard to NATO, too. We should have walked away from that organization years ago. The countries listed above, have a perfect defense scheme. They simply stick their hands in our pocket books and take whatever they need to fund their defense budgets. All this crap needs to STOP.

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