What will the United States and the world do about North Korea?

A United Nation's commission has issued a report after a year-long study of the human rights situation in North Korea. The commission calls the ill treatment "unspeakable atrocities" and equates the treatment of mostly North Korean citizens by their own government as "strikingly similar" to the atrocities done by the Nazis in Germany and the Nazi-occupied countries of Europe.
According to the Chair of the panel, Michael Kirby, "At the end of the Second World War, so many people said, 'If only we had known, if only we had known the wrongs that were done in the countries of the hostile forces.' Well, now the international community does know...there will be no excusing the failure of action because we didn't know," Kirby said, holding up a copy of the report.
In addition, Kirby places some blame China's way. According to the report, China may be, "aiding and abetting crimes against humanity" with its policy of forcibly repatriating North Koreans who fled across its borders.

My question is, will anybody actually DO anything? After all, North Korea has nuclear weapons. China is involved, with whom the United States continues a cozy, complex business relationship. And, of course, North Korea has no great quantity of oil or natural gas reserves under its territory.
So why should the world care? Is concern about human rights only rhetoric unless there is relatively little risk in taking action, and there is an expectation of the reward of getting more fossil fuel resources in the end?

The full story may be found on the MSN website, today, February 17, 2014.

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This administration already has responded by sending in Dennis Rodman. Do you still not understand that buffoons are leading the country?

you would know that Dennis Rodman has been acting on his own without the support of anyone in the Obama Administration. But, hey, you would actually have to read something to know that. And, CTR aka checkmyopinion, you never allow those bothersome facts to get in the way of your opinions! Do you ever really "check the record" on anything??

My point is: It appears that no one has the stomach to take on this fight. I have come to the sad conclusion that the people who count, really couldn't care less about those who are being tortured and murdered for purposes of enslaving an entire nation of people. And I don't believe that, "if we had only known" about what the Nazis were doing in Europe, anything different would have been done to help those innocent victims. The real question seems to be, "Is there something in it for us?" If there is, then action is taken! If not...

What "action" do you propose, Dale? Send in tens of thousands of U.S troops? That always works. And since we're going to save people from oppressive dictators and juntas, let's also militarily intervene in Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Syria and a host of other countries where the people are yoked. Lord knows, with our failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan ended or ending, our soldiers are itching to go somewhere else to exchange gunfire.

Patience is a great virtue.

always provide the majority of troops in any action.
Secondly, because of China's proximity and interests, I realize that this matter is very delicate diplomatically. Actually, this area of the world is primarily the obligation of China, not the United States. It's hard to imagine any action taking place there without China playing a major role in the action to be taken. I seem to remember a little "police action" through the United Nations that involved U.S. troops fighting the Chinese "volunteers" in Korea once.
Finally, as I point out, not only do I doubt that anything will happen as far as coming to the aid of millions of innocent North Koreans, I doubt if the nations back in the 1930s or 1940s would have come to the aid of the Jews and other victims of Nazi mania, even had they known the full scope of the Nazi genocidal activities! The world just doesn't care, unless there is little danger in taking action, or there is something of value for the other nations to garner from the foray. Get it! I DON'T EXPECT THE WORLD TO SAVE THESE PEOPLE!! I just find that sad!

Syria -- There are no "good guys" in Syria with any real power. The main opponents of that evil government are the radicals aligned with Al Qaeda. Furthermore, Syria is much closer geographically to Europe. Their interests in Syria are much more direct than ours.

Venezuela is in flux. Hugo Chavez has been dead for almost a year, now. It was in all the papers! The direction there is not clear. If you know about thousands of citizens there being persecuted as they are in North Korea or Syria, please cite your source.

Zimbabwe is a former British colony, and is much closer to Europe than it is to the United States. The EU currently has sanctions against Zimbabwe. Our role there is one of support for our European allies. Should they act? Probably, but it's their call.

It is long past time for the United States to be much more judicious in our resorting to the use of American troops. Our allies can well afford to take the lead in areas of the world of great interest to them!!

Oh, I see, you were only lamenting [insert situation]. I forgot that hand-wringing and demanding "somebody do something!" is a favorite hobby of liberals. But it's not as if you can't take action yourself. Get off your couch, make an appropriate sign, then hop a bus to D.C. to stage a protest in front of the Chinese embassy. Make it a two-fer and protest oppression in Tibet while you're there. Call the embassy at 202-495-2266 to tell them a soldier for global justice is on his way.

Patience is a great virtue.

China?
OK...I know that your post is intended to be ludicrous!
Congratulations! It IS ludicrous!

DW -- When you can't refute the position of the poster, attack the poster. Good debating technique. Does nothing to further the discussion of the issue. But it is a good debating technique.

It's also a good debate technique to claim you're being personally attacked when you're not. Try to demonize the person who disagrees with you and shift the discussion to another direction -- excellent tactic. But to your question: Yes, China. You stated it has an obligation in that part of the world so naturally any discontent you have with its government should be registered with its diplomatic delegation in Washington. China certainly has leverage over its neighbors, but I don't think it has an obligation to intervene in North Korea's domestic policy, not any more than the U.S. is obligated to support enemies of the government in Venezuela who are unfairly punished. China has a foreign policy designed to benefit itself. If it chooses not to crack down on Pyongyang, it reaches that decision in order to further its interests. Unless we want to start a war, there's nothing we can do about it except cry out "Somebody do something!" Hell, we could make that our rallying cry for just about any crisis that comes up.

Patience is a great virtue.

It's also a good debate technique to claim you're being personally attacked when you're not. Try to demonize the person who disagrees with you and shift the discussion to another direction -- excellent tactic. But to your question: Yes, China. You stated it has an obligation in that part of the world so naturally any discontent you have with its government should be registered with its diplomatic delegation in Washington. China certainly has leverage over its neighbors, but I don't think it has an obligation to intervene in North Korea's domestic policy, not any more than the U.S. is obligated to support enemies of the government in Venezuela who are unfairly punished. China has a foreign policy designed to benefit itself. If it chooses not to crack down on Pyongyang, it reaches that decision in order to further its interests. Unless we want to start a war, there's nothing we can do about it except cry out "Somebody do something!" Hell, we could make that our rallying cry for just about any crisis that comes up.

Patience is a great virtue.

Apologies for the double-post.

Patience is a great virtue.

China really cares what common American citizens think. Right!

FYI -- I have lobbied in DC, and I have lobbied many times in Columbus. I put in my time where I can be effective...with an elected American government. If you want to waste your time lobbying China, be my guest. I also have some windmills with which you may joust!

Your reply suggests dyslexia. See your doctor.

Patience is a great virtue.

China doesn't have to care about what common American citizens think. All it knows is what Americans BUY. And then it knows Americans sell debt, which China scarfs up like it's in a noodle-eating contest.

Dale, Dale, Dale, its like dealing with an adolescent who cannot see the forest due to the proverbial trees. North Korea has been on restricted travel to US citizens by the State Dept. for some time. The same applies to Cuba the vacationland of Beyonce and Jay Z two more of Barry's tight friends. Americans can receive special exception permission to travel to either location but it is highly restricted and moderated. Leadership of N. Korea was Rodman's good friend until they stiffed him on payment for all the former NBA players he took there for exhibition. Tell me factually that you want Dennis Rodman in any way shape or form representing the government or interests of the United States? Same applies to Cuba but the stakes are not nearly as high. Both clownish events could have been curtailed by a WH that didn't act like international relations are a joke.

ignorance, yet again!
You have no facts.
You never really "check the record."
You only "check your own opinion."
Your posts reveal a lot about you. Thank you. Keep posting in this same manner. PLEASE!!

BTW -- My son legally visited Cuba in the 1990s! BUT, WAIT!! That couldn't have happened, according to CTR aka checkmyopinion! That doesn't fit CTR aka checkmy opinion's stereotype. He went to Cuba before Obama was President. And not only does my son not know President Obama, or any President for that matter, he also doesn't know Jay Z or Beyoncé. I wonder...how he did pulled that off?!

Highly recommend you regularly have your blood pressure checked my man. Instead of flaming off try this sentence from the above post " Americans can receive special exception permission to travel to either location but it is highly restricted and moderated." Had your son had known associates in the drug trade he never would have been issued a visa. No Dale that is not a financial instrument. The hallmark of today's liberals is A.) they are the only ones who know anything B.) They categorically refuse to examine objective fact which does not fit their limited parameter. Lawfully Rodman could have been refused his travel plans at any time. It appears he was seen as a conduit to N. Korea for our government. Amatuer hour.

to North Korea, than my son was to Cuba. You can't help it! Anything bad MUST be because of Obama in your skewed vision!
ROFL, CTR aka checkmyopinion...Watch your assumptions! We all know what happens when one assumes.
And, please continue to NOT allow facts to get in the way of your opinions. It makes so much fun for me!

If there's money to be made by a giant international corporation, the U.S. will send troops there when we elect corporate sycophants. W's war in Iraq is a prime example. While I did buy stock in Exxon-Mobil shortly after W took office, I should have bought Halliburton, too. Still kicking myself! While Exxon-Mobil is up a whopping 128.93% since I bought it. Halliburton is up 557.75%! WOW!! Did I miss THAT one. Should have bet more on Cheney than on W.

NOW the true colors begin to show. The equity markets love it when the dems are in the WH. All the posturing for the little guy is just that smoke and mirrors to line pockets of the very wealthy. It has been the historical fact since WWII. I can smell your puppy dog tears when your account vanishes before your very eyes and you are left another embittered old man blaming someone else for your misfortune. That market correction is on the way my friend. The trading condition today is about as valid as Barry's birth certificate. I wholeheartedly agree re: Halliburton. Thieves all.

North Korea should feel assured that nothing will result from this because--after all, it was a United Nations report. Keep in mind that the UN is just a bunch of buffoons who are living the high life on the U.S. dime (and with diplomatic immunity).

Please read my post above. I DO NOT EXPECT ANY ACTION TO TAKE PLACE!!

NORK is a sovereign nation. Therefore what happens there is none of our business.

Thank you for posting this. Reflects your outlook on life quite well.
When Iraq invaded Kuwait, I guess the world's reaction was illegal, since the war was between two sovereign countries, and we had no right to intervene.

That's exactly correct: It was an affair between two sovereign nations, and the rest of us had no right to interfere.

An imperialist like yourself (which almost all American Liberals are) just can't understand that. You have only one view of the world: Some sort of Western-dominated polity that by no mean coincidence funnels cheap products and cheap energy into the mother lands. To you, that's the natural state of man. Except it's wickedly unstable and will only spark another world war, which you and your class of person won't escape this time, since it will be over oil, and everyone will be fighting for it, and the effects of it will be felt everywhere oil reached.

If you saw the movie Team America: World Police, the world will probably write a very strong letter rebuking North Korea and they will toss it in the fire. It is pretty sickening what is going on there. China is the one responsible for it as they have allowed all of this to go on - unfortunately China wants a North Korea so that complicates things greatly. The best way will be to put pressure on China.

Agreed Chris it will take the PRC to correct N. Korea's course. O'Bama is right now in Mexico crafting a multi-nation coalition for trade against the wishes of many of his own parties' leaders. Would suspect this is an element but Japan and China have been renewing old, old antagonisms which carry high emotional value on both sides. The United States has not presented a forthright foreign policy during this administration leading to the rampant opportunism in the Ukraine, Egypt, Syria, N. Korea and recently in Venezuela. Allowing the world to second guess our intentions leads to adventurism which will need be straightened out by a more skillful leader than the one which we now have.

"The best way will be to put pressure on China."

That's pretty funny, Chris. You missed your calling as a comedian. China can't be pressured unless you stop the flows of money, and neither side in every currency flow wants that to happen.

I don't buy the argument that we need need China more that we need it. It's symbiotic. But that just presses the point: China is a huge power and there's no way to apply pressure. We will only cooperate, since we're ruled by money. And the decade when the rule of money collapses, won't happen this century.

Chinese cultural influence is set to change.

The one-child police that was in place since the late 70's created a heavily male society as Chinese families wanted their one child to be male. The result is the coming of working age men and women are lopsided men to women. I believe the ratio was 3 to 1 last I checked. This means Chinese women will have more power socially, economically, and contractually.

This type of social upheaval that China is going to experience in the next 20 years will be unprecedented. Women will be able to choose between several mates and as we all know more women will turn to financial security in many cases. Look for poor families with daughters to have more upward mobility than those with sons. It will cause resentment within communities. I'd be surprised if the government and financial system we have today in China will be there in 10 years. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese support for NK changes as well.

Unnatural changes to the social landscape can have profound effects.

MikeyA

GZ

Realistically it won't happen but won't hurt.

Nothing will happen in any of the cases mention because the only country that has the gall to stand up to dictators is the United States. I wish we would just do it in all cases and not just the ones that will directly affect US interests. By this I mean Sudan, Zimbabwe, NK, and the Ukraine to name a few.

MikeyA

You've just mentioned several hellholes we need to ignore. Add most of the Middle East to the list, IMHO.

His post here sounds quite imperialistic and seems to strongly urge a "Western-dominated polity." By your description he must be a liberal!

And how many Muslim states were in GHWB's coalition for Operation Desert Storm? Seems that most of Iraq's neighbors wanted the sovereign nation of Kuwait to be resurrected as an independent state! Almost all of Iraq's and Kuwait's neighbors wanted the U.S., U.K., and others to intervene on Kuwait's behalf in the 1990s. But, then again, we had a real reason to fight that war. And GHWB had an exit strategy. Too bad his son doesn't like to read books, including one written by his own daddy!

What historical revisionism are you spewing now? Check the record, all of W's principle advisers were from #41's camp from the VP, SecDef on down. They would call it a seamless policy enactment. But your a liberal and know better than all the Naval War College guys put together.

No, Mikey is a militant. He's in the military, so this isn't surprising. That's significantly different than being an Imperialist asshole, since ImpAss folks are cowardly. And at least he has the minerals to say that the USA should stand up to powerful dictators and not just weak ones, and all dictators, not just the ones who are living above oil deposits we naturally covet.

He may be a militant, but he seems to be a consistent and honorable one. I just saw some Lt.Col yapping similarly on the set the other day. He said that we should either withdraw from these campaigns entirely, or stop pussy-footing around and pursue them with proper vigilance.

You Liberals are the cowardly shits who love to strike at the weak from behind a huge government shield. Liberals are pussy-footers. That's what spurs much of my ire against you.

Mr. Apparatchik, what was the US exit strategy for WW2(the big one)?

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