Hi. I've been banned from "that other site".

So yes, banned from "that other site" for daring to speak up to counter the racist/class-warfare comments and disrespect towards the OTHER victims of the north Toledo apartment fire (the residents). Or at least that's what I think, because of course there was no warning, no contact, nothing from that other site's admin. Because no matter how you slice it, to make the statement "What is there to gain on a multi tenant building in North Toledo. Call it a loss and let the insurance company take over." is disrespecting the unfortunate residents, the owner, and the neighborhood .

Then again, perhaps I'm wrong and NOBODY AT ALL could POSSIBLY construe that as "let the slum burn", and it's TOTALLY APPROPRIATE of the poster and his white-knight defenders to armchair quarterback TFD's handling of all fires as if they know better than TFD. I on the other hand personally know VOLUNTEER fire and EMS people and what they get into and some of their protocols and while hindsight is 20/20 I claim no right whatsoever to criticize their decisions BECAUSE I AM NOT DOING THEIR JOB AND WAS NOT THERE, unlike the disrespectful excuses for posters who decided to disrespect the firefighters who died and their families by implying they know better than our fallen heroes and saying "shoulda stayed outside and let it burn". Not to mention the inherent disrespect by saying "what is there to gain on a multi tenant building in North Toledo. Call it a loss", because screw those families and whatever little they have and any pets and so on. The attempts to walk back those comments with "no piece of property no matter where it is located should be put in front of the lives of responders" is just a pathetic attempt to divert from the apparent racism and class warfare in the prior post. Firefighters are heroes for TRYING TO SAVE LIVES AND PROPERTY, it doesn't matter if it's a "multi tenant building in North Toledo" or homes being threatened by wildfires in California or whatever. The firefighters and TFD as a whole deserve a whole lot more respect than they've gotten from that group of people on "that other site" and they and the families who are now homeless as a result of this fire deserve an apology from all the armchair firefighters on "that other site". It's disgusting that someone would make such a comment; they've clearly lost sight of the non-TFD victims of the fire entirely and to imply that TFD mishandled the fire, or should have just let it burn is a slander upon the TFD and the victims.

I'm sorry that TFD, the families, etc. have to put up with this disgusting crap on top of their loss. Two firefighters died in the line of duty and that's hard enough, there's going to come all sorts of second-guessing and recriminations and all that with the investigation and that's going to be even harder, and the LAST thing we need is people on the Internet heaping it on them without being called on it. With what we know as it stands RIGHT NOW, they died doing their jobs following protocol and at BARE MINIMUM it's pretty sick to second-guess how they did their jobs, LET ALONE to say what pretty much sounds like "it's a slum in the hood, they should have let it burn".

I'm sorry, all those affected, that you have to put up with these sick people on the Internet disrespecting you, and since they won't do it, I apologize on behalf of the Internet and "that other site" for the sick crap they said.

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Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?

Mad Jack
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"That other site" has banned me since March of 2012 for speaking against a local extreme Right Wing Radio Host. The radio barker complained in (deleted) E-mails to the "other site" administrator for posting public online information about him yet he would do and has done the same to me and others. In fact the public radio barker was so frustrated by this he named the "Wolfman" in his Lucas County court hearing as the reason to expunge his public online Lucas County court records. After that he changed his moniker and is now careful how he posts about private people. I'm sure his lawyer educated him on this subject.

The "other site" is intolerant of left-of-center speech. I'm sure you were in the gun sights way before this last incident. If fact the intolerant "other site" administrator deleted this similar post, http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/wolfman/20120312/who-should-be-paid-more-t... but left the complaining radio barker's inflammatory/libelous posts about me. Example of one of many http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/65624 .

AnonymousCoward take it as a badge of honor to be deactivated from TT. You're fighting the good fight by not allowing extremism to go unchallenged. Here at SwampBubbles the radio host/barker attempted to have me silenced for speaking truth to corporate radio. The administrator negotiated a just outcome allowing me continued freedom of speech.

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This line of BS will find a small audience of supporters but isn't really backed up with any facts. For instance DMHI refers to e-mails to the site administrator but has no proof. He claims the e-mails have been deleted. How would Mrignorant know of any e-mails in the first place, and then be able to claim they were deleted? Much of the dislike DMHI displays is due to his one on air experience which showed him to be quite stupid.

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These E-mails were sent to admin @ toledotalk.com and were posted online. I can find them if I have the time to waste but we've hashed this out before publicly.

Did you or did you not use the word "Wolfman" in one of your Lucas County court hearings to expunge your online court record?

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Of course you don't have the time to waste, you are sooooooo busy now that you are retired. I believe my lawyer used 'wolfman" rather than your real name because at that time you were going by that on here and other sites, yes. Now I would tell him to use mrindependent. Your obsession with me and wspd is tiring which is why I am so short of fuse, that and your continued ignorance. The only nerve being hit appears to be your remaining one.

You look good in this picture by the way.

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Who continually posts inflammatory threads and photoshopped pictures to incite a response from me and others? Most I choose to ignore as the ravings of a disgruntled negative envious radio barker who's life has unraveled late-in-life. Please don't drag us down to that dark place you inhabit. Seek help from a trained counselor.

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No matter the topic, seemingly most of the threads here quickly deteriorate into a repeat of Fred and Wolfman's squabbling, name-calling and accusations. These two remind me of Greg and Marcia from the Brady Bunch. I'll let them fight over who best fits the role of Marcia.

Patience is a great virtue.

Back to the topic.

AC, I'm sorry you were banned. JR normally puts us into the box with a warning.

Are you sure you are banned or did he temporarily suspend you?

I think the reason behind the banning was the use of profanity. I don't agree with that but I'm just trying to see what his thinking is.

MikeyA

BANNED as in I can't even log back in, BANNED as in USER ACCOUNT DEACTIVATED. BANNED in the middle of typing up my rebuttal whereby I would pretty much have said what I said in my post above.

Been there and done that AC. Looks like you're done at right wing TT. For laughs setup another account and user name using another web browser. This will work for a day or two till the site Nazi figures it out or someone snitches with an E-mail. ;>)

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Toledo Talk is "right wing"? I don't think so. The guy who runs it is an environmentalist bird watcher.

There have been right wing people who've been banned from the site.

Mr. Coon comes to mind.

MikeyA

Coon is neither left nor right-wing. He's just plain nuts. I can see where you think that he's right-leaning, given that his derp sounds an awful lot like the derp coming from the right-wingers on TT,

I'm not one to worry myself much about these things, but I was banned twice from that site without warning. I also never used profanity because that's just not my style.

I did once claim the moderator's stance on the smoking ban was juvenile at best, so maybe hurt feelings did me in.

Oh well. I think my hopes for the value of the site when I initially found it were quickly dashed by reality. Life goes on and without as much stupidity.

I hope you're all well.

From what I saw of your posts when I did go to TT many were off topic attacks on whoever started the thread or a use of the thread to belittle people instead of dealing with the topic. We have people on here who do the same. Hope your stay here is better, but that really depends on you doesn't it?

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I think if what Fred says above is true then we know from his example AC will do just fine here. http://www.toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/article/170280/29Jan2014/On_the_...
Looks like McCaskey has visited SwampBubbles! Maybe the rest of the crowd will come to a more open forum.

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Many of the TT posters have accounts here at SB but don't use them regularly.

AC, McCaskey, BrianinFlorida and pinkslip all have frequented here in the past. SB is more political commentary and a little bit more edgy whereas ToledoTalk is more "What's the best Mexican restaurant in town?" type of discussions. Where they go is a matter of taste.

I have had accounts with both for years. I frequent SB because I could care less if there's construction on I-475 or what AndrewZ is up to now.

MikeyA

Well that link kind of backfired on you didn't it DMHI? It now includes this post "If memory serves, Mr. Wolfarth was waging a rather public war here with Brian Wilson and Fred. To the point that Wilson involved his attorney to take action against Mr. Wolfarth. I believe it was also Mr. Wolfarth who provided a link to Fred's personal assets as listed in divorce documents as part of his personal pissing contest with Wilson.

While I don't pretend to speak for jr, that whole mess may well have had something to do with his being banned."
Too bad you can't respond to it.

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Why don't people who are unhappy with their internet experiences just start pages of their own? Instead of complaining about being banned, and unproven e mail charges why wouldn't whiny little bitches just open a forum of their own?

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"why wouldn't whiny little bitches just open a forum of their own"

Ah yes, Fred is classy as always. Thanks for the insult to everyone who does not agree with you.

Anyway, yeah, I see where ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE is a skilled website author, programmer, and system administrator, and also has the time and money to throw at running their own sites.

Uh oh, Fred, you're double-teamed.

Patience is a great virtue.

It's not about who agrees or disagrees with me, I don't really care about anyone who doesn't either listen or call the show. Internet talk is cheap and anonymous like a hooker on a Saturday night. I'm talking about punks who complain about their online treatment by admins. You don't like it, do something about it, can't figure out how to start your own blog site? get help, can't afford it? sell ads to all your like thinking liberal friends. Stop whining.

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Whinny talkshow barker complains like a crying baby in E-mails to administrators about things he does in-kind on a daily basis. His tough talking public persona is really a weak kneed back stabbing snitch.

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Let's see the e mails. It amazes me that you really think anyone on here is dumb enough to think you saw e mails you claim a site administrator received. How exactly would you see these e-mails, were they put online? did the site admin share them with you? did i send you a copy? did you hack someone's e mail acct? Enquiring minds want to know. As to how to start your own site check this out http://startbloggingonline.com/

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Who should be paid more teachers, firemen, police, or a high school educated talk show host?
http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/wolfman/20120312/who-should-be-paid-more-t...
I did not ask for you to be
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:06.

I did not ask for you to be removed. That was the administrators choice, not mine. As you can see here and there actually I answered your question about pay. You choose to ignore the difference between private and public sector.
I have no problem with how much auto workers make, in fact I don't know what they make unless it's make public in a news story about their bonuses. Police, firefighters, teacher salaries should be made public because the public pays those salaries.
Auto workers should have the right to either join or not join a union however when applying for a job.

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Slugs, thugs, and punks!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:32.

Au contraire! You did contact the administrator. And you did complain about my post of the public court doc link even though I didn't mention your problems. Are you saying you didn't? What was said in private e-mails? What were you asking for Fred?

Same old thing that's happened at Speedy. You hang up on those you don't agree with or pot over them when they talk. If they agree with you give em a prize. You take my comments out of context and make a radio commercial! I know It's been done to me and others that I know of. Then you fire Mark Levin cause you don't agree with him. You think that's in the public interest?

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I did contact the
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-12 15:37.

I did contact the administator and did give my opinion on the lack of tact in the post. I did not and would not ask for it to be removed or for you to be censored. I think people need to see you for what you are.

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Lack of tact... Funny!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-19 00:29.

Like calling the kettle black! Fred daily you and your ilk amaze me. You've done all what I've mentioned above in a very public way with a larger audience and then you have the audacity to claim lack of tact...funny! You need some serious therapy or a sabbatical from that nut job station.

Here's the record of your posts to the administrator. This in my opinion lead to my deactivated account after Fred complained. If you look at the March 12th postings you'll find evidence of what I say. The two damning posts have been deleted! One was the thread I created on TT, "Who should be paid more teachers, firemen, police, or a high school educated talk show host?" and the second one,"Lewiki:Contact" complaining to the TT administrator. Check the following link for yourself!
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred

fred added comment to Lewiki:Contact on Mar 12, 2012 at 12:49:55 pm
http://toledotalk.com/cgi-bin/tt.pl/stream/fred

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Isn't this like the third
Submitted by fredericktheent... on Mon, 2012-03-19 04:27.

Isn't this like the third time you've posted the same post? What do you do keep editing it until you get it right? Why don't you just post the damning evidence you have of me asking for you to be deactivated? Oh, I know why because you don't have anything other that this and it proves nothing.

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Unofficial Documentarian Complains!
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2012-03-19 09:12.

Yes crying like a baby to the regulator of TT when the shoe is on the other foot. I thought regulation was bad? Kind of like being the Unofficial Documentarian of Occupy Toledo http://swampbubbles.com/20111121/occupy-toledo-entering-phase-ii . It's OK to make fun of anyone and everyone except for when you have a life event then...well... that's different!
And yet another Unofficial Documentarian of Occupy Toledo post. http://swampbubbles.com/20111101/occupy-council-epic-fail

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Really how stupid are you? There is no mention of deleted e mails in your entire post. There is an admission that I "contacted" the administrator and gave my opinion about your lack of tact in posting personal divorce information. You will notice that the second line says I did not ask for it to be removed or for you to be censored. So if you believe I e-mailed jr then you must also believe that I did not ask him to censor you or remove the post. Now where are the e mails you refer to? all I see are posts from the board.

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The links are provided but the administrator deleted direct access. You admit to whining to the administration just like every time you can't handle the truth. So you go to get the posts deleted. Look further and you'll see the same tactic you used to shut up posters on SB.

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"Wolfman got himself deactivated at Toledo Talk because he had no interest in obeying the site rules. Despite my repeated warnings, explanations, and patience, he continued to do whatever he wanted. " jr

Any statement I make is the opinion of me exercising my first amendment right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech in the United States is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and is generally permitted.

ToledoTalk.com is NOT a free speech zone.

Some people think they should be allowed to post whatever they want on a message board that's owned and funded by someone else. And if these users are denied the ability to post whatever and however they want, then they believe the site owner is engaged in censorship. That's all wrong thinking.

I'll let other Toledo Talk users explain how it works.

photodan said in April 2005:

"jr has every right to make this site as closed or even as censored as he wants it to be. If he decided that the word, "it" was not allowed to be posted then that is his right. This is not free speech. We are only allowed to post here at jr's whim since he's the one paying for it. He owns the space we are scrawling upon."

psyche777 said in June 2005:

"There is no such thing as free speech on message boards -- they are controlled by those who own them. So unless you own your own? pretty much have to play by whatever rules exist."

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I took shorthand in h.s., what this means AC and DMHI is STFU

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Mon, Sep 30, 2013 6:00 pm I received an E-mail from the administrator wanting me to remove a picture that I posted to combat the photoshopped pictures that Fred had posted of many on SB. Fred knows that posting E-mails are a no no so trying to prove his case by saying I need to show his E-mails to both administrators will surely land me into trouble. The following is yet another example of how Fred works behind the scenes. This actor had many pictures removed along with many accounts deactivated. Of course Fred is still allowed to post photoshopped pictures but many posters are not with us because of Fred's constant carping and complaining when the pot gets too hot.
~My Opinion~

New rule - vulgar usernames and images will no longer be tolerated - retroactive
http://swampbubbles.com/20130930/new-rule-vulgar-usernames-and-images-wi...

Hurry Fred call Nancy !
http://swampbubbles.com/blogs/mrindependent/20130906/fred-hurry-call-nan...

Updated
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2013-09-30 08:43.

Sorry Fred didn't mean to scare you off SwampBubbles. I did not complain to Chris or JR (site administrators for SB & TT) about the things you've posted about me. Just wanted to put that out there in case readers are wondering what happened, why you're not posting on SB for the last couple of weeks.

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You should watch out
Submitted by chrismyers on Mon, 2013-09-30 16:32.

what you post mrindependent, posts like these without evidence is the epitome of libel. I would advise you to update this post. While certain people may be public, you can still have problems if you go this far. Decide wisely how you want to proceed.

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Anonymous Bullies
Submitted by MrIndependent on Mon, 2013-09-30 23:09.

Chris the above picture is of an unknown woman, I believe, is no way related to the anonymous talk show host. Sorry for the confusion.
On Mon, 2013-09-16 09:22. A anonymous Fredricktheentertainer wrote on this thread, "Do you not get that I don't care? Why should I worry about what anonymous posters say?" I took this as a anonymous disclaimer for anonymous posts since he/she was partaking in the same hijinks.

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.....from the Toledo Talk board in response to Wolfman/MrIndependent's claim that I caused his banning......here is what jr has to say in his own words.....That's demented.

Wolfman got himself deactivated at Toledo Talk because he had no interest in obeying the site rules. Despite my repeated warnings, explanations, and patience, he continued to do whatever he wanted.

As stated in the posting guidelines, ToledoTalk.com is NOT a free speech zone. It's the same with any site that has a terms of service, including major social media sites.

I don't want to hurt his feelings nor disrupt his alternative reality, but nobody e-mailed me about user Wolfman. Zero messages. Nothing.

One morning a few years ago, Wolfman made multiple site violations in quick order. I had a mess to clean up. That was the final straw. Simple. I'm sorry that does not fit any whackadoo, local media conspiracy theory but that's the real reality.

It's not the first time that I've been accused of being in cahoots with local media outlets, regarding site moderation.
He goes on to speak about AC but I'll leave it up to those interested to read that for themselves

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I stand by what I've said and he has his own opinions but if this is so why did he remove (fred added comment to Lewiki:Contact on Mar 12, 2012 at 12:49:55 pm) your public whinny e-mails on his site? You even admit you contacted him to complain about in-kind responses to your posts that clearly do not obey his rules but fit into his political mind set. Just after you complained to TT I was deactivated. Same thing happen to many on SB after the Nancy Grace outing. Now JR can run his site anyway he wants, say anything he wants without my ability to respond but to allow defamatory postings from the extreme right and to delete those who respond with in-kind comments well that's an ethical dilemma.
~MY OPINION~

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"your public whinny e-mails on his site? You even admit you contacted him to complain about in-kind responses to your posts that clearly do not obey his rules but fit into his political mind set. Just after you complained to TT I was deactivated." Paul you're getting fact and opinions confused. JR has stated he banned you not because of anyone's complaints but your continued violation of the sites rules. When you broke the sites rules several times in a short time span he banned you.

If anyone is posting anything defamatory it is you. You claim it's your opinion. But your claim is that you were banned because fred emailed jr and asked him to ban you. Both fred and JR have publicly stated this is false. You have provided no proof that they are lying. So... since two people are collaborating a chain of events in the exact same way it must be taken as fact or shown that they are lying. JR has no reason to lie since he doesn't have to deal with you anymore.

MikeyA

Michael doesn't the marines have enough for you to do but stalk and troll the internet harassing everyone from your base at Twentynine Palms, California? Seems being a Substance Abuse Coordinator you'd know the signs of metal illness. The post above is nothing more than your attempt at piling on a subject you know nothing about. I suggest you stick with the task at hand and give us taxpayers a full days work for a full days pay. We grow tired of the waste and fraud of people like you who fiddle the day away wasting our money trolling the internet while on the clock.

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LOL

LOL OMG!

Nice try. Epic fail.

MikeyA

Paul,

First you could just respond to my post and the issues at hand. Next before you accuse someone of trolling why don't you realize you were just trolling to discover my identity.

Second you failed on multiple levels. We have already established that I am a Captain in a previous post. So, whatever site you searched on to find a person in the Marine Corps with the first name of Mikey or a variation thereof and a last name that began with A.

Secondly, you mention Substance Abuse Coordinator. We call it a SACO in the Marine Corps and it's actually Substance Abuse Control Officer, (Ours is a SSgt) and you're wrong about what their job is. Their job is to interview individuals for alcohol and substance abuse and recommend treatment for that. They cannot diagnose mental illness. In fact normally the individual going to the SACO needs to additionally go see the Mental Health branch because substance abuse can cloud mental illness signs.

One of my jobs is in Safety. I've said that publicly several times. So if you found a SACO good on them but that's nothing that I do.

I post on my spare time. I give more than my share of time to the Marine Corps. In fact last night I worked a 12 hr shift. I didn't scream for time a half. Just pay me on the 1st and the 15th and I'm square with the government.

About the biggest thing you got correct was the base. Congratulations. I am on 29 Palms. Of course we had previously established I was in Southern California and since there is only 3 Marine bases there anyone could guess and have a 33% chance of being correct.

MikeyA

It appears AC's "ban" is only temporary due to inflammatory comments JR deemed off topic and out of line.

It's ok AC. You are always welcome here if you don't wish to go back there. Keep your head up.

MikeyA

Well let's see now

"...and yet - justread, you find the need to argue with him rather than simply ignore him and move on. You have enabled him to a degree.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 29, 2014 at 06:06:35 pm"

Yeah, there is that happy little ignore function if I get under justread's, or anyone else's skin. justread could have "been the bigger man" or whatever but kept needling back. It takes two to tango and anyone with half a brain can certainly see he was writing me in on his dance card.

Oh and the ignore function is available to everyone else too. Notice how I don't bother replying to maddie? Yah, cause it's pointless.

"AC obviously is bi polar. That said, I thought he was doing a great job of curbing his aggressive/abuse posts....actually contributing intelligent, readable thoughts.

What he posted was acidic sarcasm. Bad? Yes. Reason for banishment? I don't know what his probationary period or restrictions were.

posted by Molsonator on Jan 29, 2014 at 04:05:47 pm # 3 people liked this"

1) I'm not bipolar, nor have I ever been diagnosed by any medical professionals as such, and such claims are borderline libel.

2) You all know EXACTLY as much as I know on whatever terms and conditions there were, because I've gotten ZERO from jr. When you're banned, you get ZERO, and that is 1000000000% jr's fault, not least of which is the code is HIS design and he wrote it so there's not even private messages when you're banned, and when I did make an effort to email him, I got a weird bounce back so my guess is his email is configured wrong or something. So good luck contacting jr, hence resorting to it here. You won't hear from him, you'll just find yourself banned with no notice and no communication and no way to communicate. Hell most message boards I'm aware of do keep PMs on or display some sort of message when you're banned, not so TT, and that's jr's decision and intent as admin. Take it up with him.

"An innocent poster with family in the fire department posted something in support of life over property"

Nope, that was the rationalization made AFTER the obviously improper comment. While the rationalization is true and I agree with it, it's still a rationalization and it TOTALLY DIVERTED the discussion away from the ORIGINAL improper comment. If the fire was NOT at a "multi tenant building in North Toledo", would we have instead heard "single family home in the OWE" or "expensive home on the riverfront"? I think NOT. I'd like to think the TPD fights equally hard, circumstances permitting, against any fire anywhere in Toledo, and doesn't discriminate on basis of property value or location or residential status. That comment, on the face of it, suggests that they shouldn't. And that's WRONG.

I have friends AND family in VOLUNTEER FDs. I would never be caught dead saying they should not fight, or not have fought, fires at any home in the 'hood any less than in the Richie Rich area. How to fight is up to the commander at the scene, department policies, etc. "It's in the 'hood, call it a loss" is a damn offensive thing to say.

"They are interested only in derailing non-political threads, and that's not happening here."

Thread got derailed when someone made the original inappropriate comment and I called them on it. You want an apology for me flying off the handle at what was an inappropriate comment? Fine, I'm sorry. But if you care to do your job as an admin, jr, you'd be putting some other people in the penalty box for piling on, because they sure didn't contribute, they derailed it further.

JR said the 'ban' "had been" only temporary. the further rant here might have changed his mind.

either way - it's correct, JR owns TT and Chris owns SB. They can do anything they want. I have seen some folks who got tossed off various sites start their own pages - a guy out here who posted under about 20 Aliases, one of them being Limedrops started his own page. I think the lack of anyone joining gave him his message, and it's down now.

It's just something you gotta get used to, AC. Your expositions are just something one gets used to, but for some reason, despite having an "ignore" feature on TT, JR gets a wild hair up his arse and he still bans you (and myself). I dunno why, but speculate freely that JR folds like origami when he's exposed to too many harsh emails. Real men have thicker skin, but anyway.

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